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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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Meanwhile, in basketball this Friday, it's BU against some corn belt college. Let's look at the comparisons:

1) Points Per Game
Kansas -- 82ppg -- 5th in the nation
BU -- 65ppg -- 270th in the nation

2) Field Goal Percentage
Kansas -- 0.514 -- 1st in the nation
BU -- 0.403 -- 309th in the nation

3) Rebounds
Kansas -- 39rpg -- 19th in the nation
BU -- 36rpg -- 117th in the nation

I like our chances!
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

The 'best of a decade' stuff is great for talk radio because there is no answer and bias is sure to fuel the volume of talk.

BU should be a top tier program, whether that is 10 or 12 teams is a hollow pursuit. If actual results don't confirm that standing then the team's administration and its supporters have cause to take interest.

It is unacceptable for the program to only produce top tier results when the roster is clearly the best in the country. That the 2009 team only won when their backs were to the wall, 'the plan' was out the window and their opponent suddenly realized it was midnight should be an indication that the program is not generating much of a multiple.

In other instances they have clearly underperformed and now have developed the habit of just not showing up in key games or for entire periods at a time.

I still think that Parker is perfect for a team with 6 guys from Southie and a bunch of MA prep school all-stars. That isn't the roster anymore. There needs to be some blue-collar aspect, sure, but if your 'method' is that you can relate to a kid 'cause you came up the same way, his dad is the same generation as you etc then that won't play as well if the team is national development team, Canada, California and New York kids that are 40 years younger than you. You are more of a grandfather figure than father figure...and who likes a grumpy old grandpa?

There are plenty of excellent leaders that were not as effective in the technology age as they were prior...the skill set changed, kids weren't looking to work 65 hours a week in the office etc.
Pete Carroll is a college coach, Charlie Weis is a pro coach (despite their current addresses), think BB could coach a college team with his style?...maybe Notre Dame circa 1965 but not USC or Texas today.

Maybe York didn't have the same results in the past because his style wasn't right for the period when Parker was the 'right man for the job'...maybe as the landscape has changed York's style is perfectly suited for today's kids and programs. Coaches can adapt to a degree but Bob Knight had to stop coaching, nobody was going to go that route when they could go play for K or Roy Williams or even Boeheim. Heck even Joe Pa went to more of a spread offense when PSU started to consistently fall out of the top tier but no way does he relate to players like they do in Oregon or Boise.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned here, but slurpees (pretty sure it was slurpees) noted on our blog that BU gets in if all the higher seeds win except UNH beats BC in the HE final. Just thought I'd share.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Not sure if this has been mentioned here, but slurpees (pretty sure it was slurpees) noted on our blog that BU gets in if all the higher seeds win except UNH beats BC in the HE final. Just thought I'd share.

Not that it's going to happen but getting in on a BC loss when there's a trophy on the line would be hilarious.
 
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I don't think that is true. Lynch also has a title as Assistant VP and is listed above Parker in the Athletic Department listings. With the "executive" title it does seem to me a little ambiguous but I think Lynch is higher.

From the bios on the website:

"Terrier Athletics continues to reach new heights under the leadership of Assistant Vice President and Director of Athletics Michael P. Lynch, who enters his seventh year as the head of the department."


"Parker, who serves as the chief strategist, advocate, and spokesman for varsity athletics at Boston University, also works closely with Assistant Vice President and Director of Athletics Mike Lynch in the strategic issues involving the athletic department. "

I could be wrong, but I know Parker was the one who hired him...or at leat announced it...this is from his hiring........

BOSTON, MA-Mike Lynch, who has spearheaded Boston University's fund-raising efforts for the John Hancock Student Village, which includes Agganis Arena, has been named Boston University's Director of Athletics.

The announcement was made today (March 31) by Jack Parker, the University's Executive Director of Athletics. It was also announced that Lynch will retain his title of Assistant Vice President of Development for Athletics, a position he has held since arriving at the University in April 2000.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

BU should be a top tier program, whether that is 10 or 12 teams is a hollow pursuit. If actual results don't confirm that standing then the team's administration and its supporters have cause to take interest.

It is unacceptable for the program to only produce top tier results when the roster is clearly the best in the country. That the 2009 team only won when their backs were to the wall, 'the plan' was out the window and their opponent suddenly realized it was midnight should be an indication that the program is not generating much of a multiple.

In other instances they have clearly underperformed and now have developed the habit of just not showing up in key games or for entire periods at a time.

Pirate, so many good points. One thing I noticed about this team, looking back on the season is they didn't have any BIG wins. Even BU teams with less talent managed to win either a first round Hockey East playoff series, or the Beanpot (or at least advance to the Beanpot final). Some of thos teams that come to mind are 1999, 2001, 2004 and 2008. This team really doesn't have anything to hang their hats on.

It must especially sting for these guys to have not beaten BC all year. I know BC has more talent, but those other BU teams managed to do it at least once during the season.
 
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I still think that Parker is perfect for a team with 6 guys from Southie and a bunch of MA prep school all-stars.

I actually think that's an excellent summation of the issue - succinct and to the point. The question is, do the "decision makers" really care? In other words, is any action going to be taken in regard to this "data," or is it just going to remain a "discussion" topic? Regardless of the "rank" (whether Mike Lynch is "above" Parker or not), JP has achieved "legend" status. That changes the rules regarding any decisions...people tend to tread with more caution.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Meanwhile, in basketball this Friday, it's BU against some corn belt college. Let's look at the comparisons:

1) Points Per Game
Kansas -- 82ppg -- 5th in the nation
BU -- 65ppg -- 270th in the nation

2) Field Goal Percentage
Kansas -- 0.514 -- 1st in the nation
BU -- 0.403 -- 309th in the nation

3) Rebounds
Kansas -- 39rpg -- 19th in the nation
BU -- 36rpg -- 117th in the nation

I like our chances!

Find the BU player!

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He's in there.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Some good points have already been made, but to reiterate this program will not get any better as long as Parker is the coach. You'll see a team compete for HE home ice and compete for the Beanpot and that's it. Maybe for some people that's good enough, but for me that's way too low of a target.

The test of the program isn't whether we've had a better decade that Colorado College or some other nonsense. The test is if the program is as good and consistant as it should be. By that test this last decade has been a failure. BU has had two good seasons by what should be their standards over the last 10. First, in 2006 when Curry stood on his head to finally win them the HE tournament (which had not happened in almost a decade previous), and then obviously the championship year. Otherwise its been HE quarterfinal and first round flameouts, no noise in the NCAA's and they aren't even 50/50 to win the Beanpot anymore.

BU should be top 5 year in and year out. That's not to say they're going to reach the FF every year, but they should be in the conversation at the end of the year. The advantages the school has for recruiting is tremendous. They have the nicest arena in the East. They have a well regarded strength and conditioning program. A tradition of putting guys in the NHL. They play in the best city you can hope to live in and play for a major program since there aren't any hockey programs in NYC, Chicago, etc. Really, their main competition should be BC in the East and a handful of western programs (Michigan, UND, etc). There's plenty of talented kids to go around for those programs. Instead this year we're looking up at Merrimac. Absolutely inexcusable.

So it come back to (as has been said by the learned and scholarly Brian Gentry) BU isn't getting enough out of its players. That's the fault of coaching, and its been a continual problem. Unless a team is chock full of superstars and has the ability to self motivate it will continue to be early exits. If you want to benchmark the program, just take a look up the road and compare our success to BC's lately. While that comparison certainly bothers me, I wonder if it bothers the coach anymore. The way the team fails to show up for big games, I don't think I want to know.
 
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Some good points have already been made, but to reiterate this program will not get any better as long as Parker is the coach. You'll see a team compete for HE home ice and compete for the Beanpot and that's it. Maybe for some people that's good enough, but for me that's way too low of a target.

I can't disagree with anything you say. But that's the point. As I mentioned above, what good does any of this do if the issue is not going to be addressed? In other words, unless someone with "leverage" makes noise, it's all a moot point. We can talk about this until the cows (or the eagles) come home, but what difference does it make? Yes, I know, it's a discussion thread (as I've said many times), but at some point don't we just get tired of talking about it? I mean, is there ANY evidence that it is even on anyone's radar in the administration?
 
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BU should be top 5 year in and year out. That's not to say they're going to reach the FF every year, but they should be in the conversation at the end of the year. The advantages the school has for recruiting is tremendous. They have the nicest arena in the East. They have a well regarded strength and conditioning program. A tradition of putting guys in the NHL. They play in the best city you can hope to live in and play for a major program since there aren't any hockey programs in NYC, Chicago, etc. Really, their main competition should be BC in the East and a handful of western programs (Michigan, UND, etc). There's plenty of talented kids to go around for those programs. Instead this year we're looking up at Merrimac. Absolutely inexcusable.

So it come back to (as has been said by the learned and scholarly Brian Gentry) BU isn't getting enough out of its players. That's the fault of coaching, and its been a continual problem. Unless a team is chock full of superstars and has the ability to self motivate it will continue to be early exits. If you want to benchmark the program, just take a look up the road and compare our success to BC's lately. While that comparison certainly bothers me, I wonder if it bothers the coach anymore. The way the team fails to show up for big games, I don't think I want to know.

I don't know what you mean by looking up to Merrimack...we finished ahead of them in the standings but yes they are at the garden and we re not. That is more because of Maine's failure to do anything with a veteran skilled team. I'll save that for their thread though. Do you really think Parker doesn't care if he wins anymore? I don't think he would still be coaching if he didn't care if he won. The team showed up in the Beanpot game against BC and battled in the third game against them in the regular season. The team just didn't have the experience at the college level. The fans expect kids to come in from high school(Coyle,Nieto,Clendening,Gil) and be able to beat a more talented BC team immediatly. I agree that yes they should have found a way to win one or two of those four games but it isn't that BU isn't getting the most out of their players. It obviously varies player to player but some guys develop and grow quicker than others. I think Courtnall progressed awfully well throughout the year...what about Rosen moving to center? Clendening had a pretty solid second half as well. This year's team was just bound to be young as soon the 09 team won the title because that sophomore class was going to leave then or the year after for the NHL. I can't fault Parker for bringing in the best recruits possibly just because they might go pro. You are going to try to win and I think everyone agreed with this strategy after 09 when Wilson,Shatty,Cohen, and Bonino were key contributors to the NC team.
 
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While I agree to different degrees with all of the recent points, it comes down to the fact that this is Parker's job for as long as he wants it...and you know what? It's probably deservedly so. With his success and history with the team, I can't see anyone of consequence addressing this, unless the team were to miss the HE playoffs 2 years in a row or something.

I had asked this once before, but I'll try again. For the pro-Parker-ites, what would make you stand up and say it's time for him to move on? Like I said above, if you argue that because of his history he deserves to stay as long as he likes, then I understand that and don't think I'd argue it. If not, I'd be interested to hear where the cutoff is when you start to come to the other side? A few more missed tourneys? not making the playoffs? I'm not trying to be argumentative and I understand that you believe that the team has still been successful enough over the last 5-10 years to stay...that point has been made again and again. I just want to know where the cutoff is for you guys
 
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I don't know what you mean by looking up to Merrimack...we finished ahead of them in the standings but yes they are at the garden and we re not. That is more because of Maine's failure to do anything with a veteran skilled team.

Huh? It's Maine's failure but it's not also because of OUR failure to beat NU? They're at the Garden and we're not. What is it that you don't understand about that?
 
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My God, you just get dumber and dumber by the day.

I later acknowledged that they are still playing in the postseason and I realize they will be in the NCAA's and have a chance to make a run. Way to pick and choose what you quote me on.
 
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Huh? It's Maine's failure but it's not also because of OUR failure to beat NU? They're at the Garden and we're not. What is it that you don't understand about that?

Yes that is what I was trying to say. Maine's failure and our own are unrelated but Merrimack is having a better year than us. I understand that quite clearly and I said that with my "they are at the garden and we re not" sentence
 
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BU should be top 5 year in and year out.

Well, that's a nice sentiment but how realistic is it? The "Top 5" was a realistic goal when there were fewer good teams and the sport was more regional. I don't think you can expect that in this day and age. I think all of the disappointment of underachieving this year has exacerbated all of this talk. How could anyone have expected much more from this team? You can't just "reload" every year. It takes time to gell. Before everyone says "BC does it" - that's the point - they DON'T do it. They don't go after "all NHL" players; their players stay longer so the team develops more cohesion and the program has more continuity. If you want BU to be like BC (we're talking about winning here - not in other aspects), we have to stop promoting this "we'll get you to the NHL" mentality. Not only does that attract players that are going to leave, it tends to promote selfishness and a somewhat "detached" attitude. Either we're a college hockey power or an NHL factory - it's difficult to do both. If it were easy, why doesn't North Dakota win every year? They are typically filled with HUGE, NHL style players and play a physical (we won't get into it beyond that - some would say "dirty") style. They've won twice since 1987 (we've won twice since 1995). IMHO, if you want to win in COLLEGE, you won't do it with NHL players (for one thing, the game is called too tight, especially in the East - you'd be in the box all season long). 2009 was a glaring exception, but we had a HUGE collection of NHL players on that team and outstanding leadership.
 
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To me, his nonchalant attitude implies that it's already taken care of. That leads me to believe he is intending on having Bavis replace him since Bavis is already here and is already the associate head coach. This concerns me since Bavis came on board right around the same time things started going downhill a bit for the program. Everything he's learned from Parker is going to have come during a mostly unsuccessful time period.

Disagree. I haven't watched the video a second time, but I remember Parker stating something to the effect of that he is going to be losing some assistants the next few years to head coaching jobs. Bavis, in my mind, is the likeliest of the assistants in line for a head coaching job... My money is on Sullivan replacing Parker because if there is mutual interest, I would think this would be his last job. He's already been an NHL head and assistant coach, so if he takes the BU job then it would be a lifestyle issue (live with his family) as much as an opportunity to lead his alma mater. With Quinn, Hynes, and Bavis (less so), they haven't reached the heights of the profession (NHL head coach) so that allure may always be there. Not everyone is like Parker and turns down the NHL.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

I later acknowledged that they are still playing in the postseason and I realize they will be in the NCAA's and have a chance to make a run. Way to pick and choose what you quote me on.

So you agree that BU is looking up at Merrimack currently?
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Some good points have already been made, but to reiterate this program will not get any better as long as Parker is the coach. You'll see a team compete for HE home ice and compete for the Beanpot and that's it. Maybe for some people that's good enough, but for me that's way too low of a target.

The test of the program isn't whether we've had a better decade that Colorado College or some other nonsense. The test is if the program is as good and consistant as it should be. By that test this last decade has been a failure. BU has had two good seasons by what should be their standards over the last 10. First, in 2006 when Curry stood on his head to finally win them the HE tournament (which had not happened in almost a decade previous), and then obviously the championship year. Otherwise its been HE quarterfinal and first round flameouts, no noise in the NCAA's and they aren't even 50/50 to win the Beanpot anymore.

BU should be top 5 year in and year out. That's not to say they're going to reach the FF every year, but they should be in the conversation at the end of the year. The advantages the school has for recruiting is tremendous. They have the nicest arena in the East. They have a well regarded strength and conditioning program. A tradition of putting guys in the NHL. They play in the best city you can hope to live in and play for a major program since there aren't any hockey programs in NYC, Chicago, etc. Really, their main competition should be BC in the East and a handful of western programs (Michigan, UND, etc). There's plenty of talented kids to go around for those programs. Instead this year we're looking up at Merrimac. Absolutely inexcusable.

So it come back to (as has been said by the learned and scholarly Brian Gentry) BU isn't getting enough out of its players. That's the fault of coaching, and its been a continual problem. Unless a team is chock full of superstars and has the ability to self motivate it will continue to be early exits. If you want to benchmark the program, just take a look up the road and compare our success to BC's lately. While that comparison certainly bothers me, I wonder if it bothers the coach anymore. The way the team fails to show up for big games, I don't think I want to know.

For the record, I think BU should be performing at a higher level also. But to say that "You'll see a team compete for HE home ice and compete for the Beanpot and that's it" under Parker is either ignorant or disingenuous. BU has made the NCAAs 7 times since 2001 and (by my quick counting) failed to make the Regional Championship game (e.g., 1 game away from the FF) only twice.

Look, I understand the (over)reaction by some about Parker due to missing the NCAAs last year and likely missing them this year also. However, it would seem that he has still had very consistent success in recent history, so the histrionics about the game having passed him by or evolved beyond him just does not seem to be supported by fact.

Yes, I would like to make the NCAAs every year (although even BC has missed it twice in the past 10 years). Yes, I would like to make at least 3-4 Frozen Fours each decade and have 1-2 NCs to show for it. But the sky-is-falling reaction on this board is not really a fair reflection of what has been a top-10 program over the course of the past decade.
 
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