Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
At this point may as well.
Our PP is............... interesting.
At this point may as well.
Our PP is............... interesting.
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Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
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brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
There's a large difference between "cause for concern" - which the past two weekends indeed have been - and the chicken little sky is falling mentality expressed through sentiments like there is no leadership, there's no veteran presence, the season is over, the coaching staff has lost control, the coaches don't know what they're doing. All of those things I've heard expressed here and elsewhere by different people, not all the same.
The team should be peaking now, but there's also something to be said for the ability to refocus, retool, perhaps rework a couple of lines, and recatch their fire during this week off. This is an opportunity for the coaching staff and the upperclassmen to band everyone together, work out whatever mental or attitude adjustments need to be made and focus on the tournament. BU still has, in the eyes of the RPI, the best profile of quality wins in the nation, thus it's clear they can play with and beat just about anybody. They're not losing games of late because they aren't as talented or as good. They're getting out schemed, outworked, and in some cases out-lucked by some stellar goaltending efforts. All of these, save the goaltending to an extent, are correctable by a team that is loaded with ability. Hence why the chicken little attitude towards the program as a whole is blowing things way out of proportion.
There's a large difference between "cause for concern" - which the past two weekends indeed have been - and the chicken little sky is falling mentality expressed through sentiments like there is no leadership, there's no veteran presence, the season is over, the coaching staff has lost control, the coaches don't know what they're doing. All of those things I've heard expressed here and elsewhere by different people, not all the same.
The team should be peaking now, but there's also something to be said for the ability to refocus, retool, perhaps rework a couple of lines, and recatch their fire during this week off. This is an opportunity for the coaching staff and the upperclassmen to band everyone together, work out whatever mental or attitude adjustments need to be made and focus on the tournament. BU still has, in the eyes of the RPI, the best profile of quality wins in the nation, thus it's clear they can play with and beat just about anybody. They're not losing games of late because they aren't as talented or as good. They're getting out schemed, outworked, and in some cases out-lucked by some stellar goaltending efforts. All of these, save the goaltending to an extent, are correctable by a team that is loaded with ability. Hence why the chicken little attitude towards the program as a whole is blowing things way out of proportion.
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
THIS.
Scoring only 23 goals in the last 11 games is a cause for concern. As is the lack of forward depth being a contributing factor to the recent offensive drought.
Maguire also hasn't been as sharp the last 2 weekends. I don't believe his finger injury is a factor, but the timing of his performance slipping is a cause for concern.
IMO it's fair to question whether how much losing the Beanpot in that type of game affected the team's confidence. And if having the extra week between QFs and Regionals will enable them to regain the physical and mental readiness needed to win postseason games.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this team responds in a win or go home situation.
THIS.
Scoring only 23 goals in the last 11 games is a cause for concern. As is the lack of forward depth being a contributing factor to the recent offensive drought.
Maguire also hasn't been as sharp the last 2 weekends. I don't believe his finger injury is a factor, but the timing of his performance slipping is a cause for concern.
IMO it's fair to question whether how much losing the Beanpot in that type of game affected the team's confidence. And if having the extra week between QFs and Regionals will enable them to regain the physical and mental readiness needed to win postseason games.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this team responds in a win or go home situation.
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Sky isn't falling since I expected a small letdown this year, but we should keep an eye on the team not matching their opponent's effort in big games. AKA The Curse of Jack Parker. Providence outworked BU last year in the title game, which coupled with atrocious goaltending is something you never want to see. If they then mailed it in during an elimination game in the HE tournament, its not necessarily a pattern but more a cause for concern. Lets see how well they bring it in the NCAA's...
Sky isn't falling since I expected a small letdown this year, but we should keep an eye on the team not matching their opponent's effort in big games. AKA The Curse of Jack Parker. Providence outworked BU last year in the title game, which coupled with atrocious goaltending is something you never want to see. If they then mailed it in during an elimination game in the HE tournament, its not necessarily a pattern but more a cause for concern. Lets see how well they bring it in the NCAA's...
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Fair points, though I would amend your PC comment to they outworked us in the third period, yet we still put 51 shots on them. There are some troubling patterns emerging over the past few weeks, but none that aren't correctable, and not indicative of overall inability or insurmountable shortcomings. I think some line adjustments are in order, perhaps some offensive scheme adjustments, and maybe just a few days away from the rink to refresh their heads. If they come out in the NCAA and completely flop the way they did Saturday, it'll be something the coaching staff will have to look long and hard at over the summer in terms of where they as coaches went wrong, and where the leadership on the team went wrong.
Fair points, though I would amend your PC comment to they outworked us in the third period, yet we still put 51 shots on them. There are some troubling patterns emerging over the past few weeks, but none that aren't correctable, and not indicative of overall inability or insurmountable shortcomings. I think some line adjustments are in order, perhaps some offensive scheme adjustments, and maybe just a few days away from the rink to refresh their heads. If they come out in the NCAA and completely flop the way they did Saturday, it'll be something the coaching staff will have to look long and hard at over the summer in terms of where they as coaches went wrong, and where the leadership on the team went wrong.
mookie1995
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
B/B- goaltending, defensive inconsistency and the very significant absence of the captain contributed most of the first semester losses and ties. But since the BP title game, scoring has been the biggest problem. Quinn moved Greenway to the first line for that BC game and, since then, Ahti has scored just once—a PP goal vs. Notre Dame. Lane’s 13-game goal-less streak began with the NU Beanpot game. Cloonan scored four times in the first seven games, but not once since them, despite remaining a top-six until the playoffs began. It’s clear that there wasn’t enough top-six scorer talent available. Yes, it’s spilled milk, but Letunov’s 40 points for UConn could easily have been that and more for BU. (Lots of blame to go around on that debacle--both player and BU). And Olsson’s muscle and singular ability to win puck battles were missed.
A clear need to have more high-end talent at forward next season is likely one reason why Harper now is coming a year earlier than originally planned. And BU may not be done with recruiting for next season.
B/B- goaltending, defensive inconsistency and the very significant absence of the captain contributed most of the first semester losses and ties. But since the BP title game, scoring has been the biggest problem. Quinn moved Greenway to the first line for that BC game and, since then, Ahti has scored just once—a PP goal vs. Notre Dame. Lane’s 13-game goal-less streak began with the NU Beanpot game. Cloonan scored four times in the first seven games, but not once since them, despite remaining a top-six until the playoffs began. It’s clear that there wasn’t enough top-six scorer talent available. Yes, it’s spilled milk, but Letunov’s 40 points for UConn could easily have been that and more for BU. (Lots of blame to go around on that debacle--both player and BU). And Olsson’s muscle and singular ability to win puck battles were missed.
A clear need to have more high-end talent at forward next season is likely one reason why Harper now is coming a year earlier than originally planned. And BU may not be done with recruiting for next season.
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
On top of that, I think it's worth considering swapping Oksanen and Greenway. Ahti needs a playmaker like JFK to get his chances, and Lane performs better when cleaning up the garbage in front of the net created by Greenway's down-low presence. I always thought that shift was a bit puzzling.
On top of that, I think it's worth considering swapping Oksanen and Greenway. Ahti needs a playmaker like JFK to get his chances, and Lane performs better when cleaning up the garbage in front of the net created by Greenway's down-low presence. I always thought that shift was a bit puzzling.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Because people read what they want to read (conveniently). I never said the "sky is falling." There are plenty of problems in life without applying that phrase to college hockey. I also never said that "losing" without qualifying the reasons is an end-all. What I SAID was that being OUTWORKED and losing due in large part to a LACK OF EFFORT is not acceptable. For anyone. It's not acceptable in high school and it's not acceptable in the pros. And it's not acceptable in life. It's one thing to lose...it's quite another to put forth an embarrassing effort. For once, I would like to see us play with reckless abandon (that's not the same as "reckless" before everyone pounces on me) - that means not playing tentatively or "not to lose." It means being aggressive, flying up and down the ice and putting some pressure on the defense. Speaking of defense, it would be nice if we didn't play the traffic cone philosophy, which is basically standing and watching teams skate right down the middle for point-blank shots without touching anyone (or, for that matter, skate out from behind the net, circle completely around and get off an uncontested shot). It would be nice to take the puck into the tough scoring areas in front of the net, instead of being forced wide and taking weak wrist shots from the boards at the top of the circle. It would be nice to move the puck more and have less of the end to end rushes that end up in no man's land when the defense converges and then there is no outlet, primarily because everyone is standing around not knowing what the puck carrier is going to do. It would be nice to not be outnumbered on the puck on your own power play and then lose possession because you hold it too long.
Are these things more difficult? Yes. Can all of these things be "corrected" during this two-week period? Yes. But the bottom line is, in order to accomplish these things, it will take E F F O R T... Someone has to explain to me how a team can sleepwalk through 2 1/2 out of 4 games at the most "important" time of the year. I have read how "they show up for the big games" and "none of these games where they have played poorly really mattered anyway." To me, they have played like they don't really want it too many times. You can't hide that - it's plain to see. You can't just turn on the switch whenever you feel like it. "Could" it happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. So the question is, why? If you want to interpret this as my complaining that the sky is falling, have at it. But until someone can answer my question, then I don't have to agree with the "chill, man" crowd.
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Because people read what they want to read (conveniently). I never said the "sky is falling." There are plenty of problems in life without applying that phrase to college hockey. I also never said that "losing" without qualifying the reasons is an end-all. What I SAID was that being OUTWORKED and losing due in large part to a LACK OF EFFORT is not acceptable. For anyone. It's not acceptable in high school and it's not acceptable in the pros. And it's not acceptable in life. It's one thing to lose...it's quite another to put forth an embarrassing effort. For once, I would like to see us play with reckless abandon (that's not the same as "reckless" before everyone pounces on me) - that means not playing tentatively or "not to lose." It means being aggressive, flying up and down the ice and putting some pressure on the defense. Speaking of defense, it would be nice if we didn't play the traffic cone philosophy, which is basically standing and watching teams skate right down the middle for point-blank shots without touching anyone (or, for that matter, skate out from behind the net, circle completely around and get off an uncontested shot). It would be nice to take the puck into the tough scoring areas in front of the net, instead of being forced wide and taking weak wrist shots from the boards at the top of the circle. It would be nice to move the puck more and have less of the end to end rushes that end up in no man's land when the defense converges and then there is no outlet, primarily because everyone is standing around not knowing what the puck carrier is going to do. It would be nice to not be outnumbered on the puck on your own power play and then lose possession because you hold it too long.
Are these things more difficult? Yes. Can all of these things be "corrected" during this two-week period? Yes. But the bottom line is, in order to accomplish these things, it will take E F F O R T... Someone has to explain to me how a team can sleepwalk through 2 1/2 out of 4 games at the most "important" time of the year. I have read how "they show up for the big games" and "none of these games where they have played poorly really mattered anyway." To me, they have played like they don't really want it too many times. You can't hide that - it's plain to see. You can't just turn on the switch whenever you feel like it. "Could" it happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. So the question is, why? If you want to interpret this as my complaining that the sky is falling, have at it. But until someone can answer my question, then I don't have to agree with the "chill, man" crowd.
Saw those bloggers and I believe they were busting chops they were trolling all game on there
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Thanks to Chikrod for carrying my water this year now I seem like a moderate. Random thoughts: Can't wait until BU gets a 3 or 4 yr stud goalie again , I assume Oettinger (sp?) is that guy . Been a long stretch since we didn't worry about goaltending game to game . Millan had a good Frosh season up until the NCAAs but that was it since Curry left. As you know I never liked OConnor nor will I forgive him. Maguire very shaky on some nights not dependable . Lane fizzled out versus Hohmann finishing strong in their senior years. What the heck happened to Hickey very disappointing . Olsson was just hurt this year I guess but thought he was going to be a stud . Roberto loss hurt, they basically lost a full #3 line with him Olsson and Greer. Cloonan SB good in the long run not worried will be around for 4. For those who think BU will come out retooled after a lousy HE tournament and 2 weeks off. History says no they usually continue the trend in a one and done appearance .
Thanks to Chikrod for carrying my water this year now I seem like a moderate. Random thoughts: Can't wait until BU gets a 3 or 4 yr stud goalie again , I assume Oettinger (sp?) is that guy . Been a long stretch since we didn't worry about goaltending game to game . Millan had a good Frosh season up until the NCAAs but that was it since Curry left. As you know I never liked OConnor nor will I forgive him. Maguire very shaky on some nights not dependable . Lane fizzled out versus Hohmann finishing strong in their senior years. What the heck happened to Hickey very disappointing . Olsson was just hurt this year I guess but thought he was going to be a stud . Roberto loss hurt, they basically lost a full #3 line with him Olsson and Greer. Cloonan SB good in the long run not worried will be around for 4. For those who think BU will come out retooled after a lousy HE tournament and 2 weeks off. History says no they usually continue the trend in a one and done appearance .
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
+1. Excellent post.
BU did not get outworked in the National Championship game. One of their leaders, friends, and teammates made a mistake you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. That affected their play down the stretch. They weren't the same team after that. But Jesus Jofa, he's a 21 year-old kid. Let it go. He feels worse about it (times 1,000) than you could ever.... To quote Ferris Bueller "Someone with his priorities that out of whack doesn't deserve a (hockey team) this nice."
BU Hockey: Prove The Haters Wrong
+1. Excellent post.
BU did not get outworked in the National Championship game. One of their leaders, friends, and teammates made a mistake you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. That affected their play down the stretch. They weren't the same team after that. But Jesus Jofa, he's a 21 year-old kid. Let it go. He feels worse about it (times 1,000) than you could ever.... To quote Ferris Bueller "Someone with his priorities that out of whack doesn't deserve a (hockey team) this nice."
BU Hockey: Prove The Haters Wrong
defkit
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
I would add that before O'Connor's mistake, PC was taking it to BU. Unlike most of the season, BU was getting beat pretty badly in the third period. I really felt it was only a matter of time before PC tied the game. Obviously I didn't think it would happen the way it did, and the result was a stunned team, but it wasn't like the team was sure to win if he didn't make that gaffe.
I would add that before O'Connor's mistake, PC was taking it to BU. Unlike most of the season, BU was getting beat pretty badly in the third period. I really felt it was only a matter of time before PC tied the game. Obviously I didn't think it would happen the way it did, and the result was a stunned team, but it wasn't like the team was sure to win if he didn't make that gaffe.
agreed that's the part of it that keeps me sane
mookie1995
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brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
JFK and Charlie on the HE All-Rookie team.
JFK and Charlie on the HE All-Rookie team.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
And yet the headline on CHN says "BC Lands 2 on HEA All Rookie Team"
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/03/16_bc_lands_2_on_hea_all-rookie.php
*Insert Faux Outrage Here*
And yet the headline on CHN says "BC Lands 2 on HEA All Rookie Team"
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/03/16_bc_lands_2_on_hea_all-rookie.php
*Insert Faux Outrage Here*
buoldtimer
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Please, refresh my failing memory; if Letunov had made it to BU, would FBK have been at BU this season?
Please, refresh my failing memory; if Letunov had made it to BU, would FBK have been at BU this season?
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
I'm not sure who FBK is, but the only person who may not have been on the BU roster this season is Cloonan, as he was accelerated from 2016-17 after Letunov was not admitted, but Cloonan might have been added anyway once the NCAA handed down the suspension to Roberto.
I'm not sure who FBK is, but the only person who may not have been on the BU roster this season is Cloonan, as he was accelerated from 2016-17 after Letunov was not admitted, but Cloonan might have been added anyway once the NCAA handed down the suspension to Roberto.
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