Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

You're absolutely right, when DU got their second goal, I think most of us knew the game was more or less over. And that is a pretty crappy feeling. I just don't think you can extrapolate that as far as it has been in a few of these posts.

Fair enough...

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

That's true. So unless you're saying NONE of those character guys were back this year, then what happened?

No a number of them did, and down the stretch they didn't come through in that role. That falls on them as well as the coaching staff as a whole. But to Rover's point, the sample size of this folding like a house of cards is all of two games. The overall play was poor prior to that, but they didn't fold like they did against UML in game two and DU. Is it worth the coaches and next year's leaders taking a long while to look at where things went wrong and reevaluate - absolutely. Is it time to panic and throw everyone out the window? No.

 

[vicious]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

The Curse of Jack Parker strikes again. Parker coached teams had a maddening and consistent ability to not show up for big games.

I'm curious: how do you win three national titles, seven Hockey East titles, and four ECAC titles by not showing up for "big games"?

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

It seems a number of posters are blaming Coach Quinn, yet many also post about how great Coach York is. I also read about the great jobs Coach Bazin at UMass Lowell and Coach Leaman at Providence are doing. So I took a look at the first three seasons of each coach:

Coach Quinn's first 3 seasons:
2013-14, 10-21-4, 0.343, 9th in regular season, 0-1 in HE tournament, no NCAAs
2014-15, 28-8-5, 0.744, 1st in regular season, 4-0 in HE tournament, HE Champions, 3-1 in NCAAs, Frozen Four finalist
2015-16, 21-13-5, 0.603, 5th in regular season, 2-2 in HE tournament, 0-1 in NCAAs
<B>totals, 59-42-14, 0.574, 1 regular season title, 6-3 in HE tournament, 1 tournament title, 2 NCAAs, 3-2 in NCAAs, 1 Frozen Four, 1 runner-up</B>

Coach York's first 3 seasons at BC:
1994-95, 11-22-2, 0.343, 8th in regular season, 0-1 in HE tournament, no NCAAs
1995-96, 16-17-3, 0.486, 5th in regular season, 0-2 in HE tournament, no NCAAs
1996-97, 15-19-4, 0.447, 6th in regular season, 2-1(-1) in HE tournament, lost semifinal, no NCAAs
<B>totals, 42-58-9, 0.427, no regular season title, 2-4(-1) in HE tournament, no tournament title, no NCAAs</B>

Coach Leaman's first 3 seasons:
2011-12, 14-20-4, 0.421, 7th in regular season, 2-2 in HE tournament, lost semifinal, no NCAAs
2012-13, 17-14-7, 0.539, 4th in regular season, 2-2 in HE tournament, lost semifinal, no NCAAs
2013-14, 22-11-6, 0.641, 3rd in regular season, 2-1 in HE tournament, lost semifinal, 1-1 in NCAAs
<B>totals, 53-45-17, 0.535, no regular season title, 6-5 in HE tournament, no tournament title, 1 NCAAs, 1-1 in NCAAs</B>

Coach Bazin's first 3 seasons:
2011-12, 24-13-1, 0.645 2nd in regular season, 1-2 in HE Tournament, 1-1 in NCAAs
2012-13, 28-11-2, 0.707, 1st in regular season, 4-0 in HE Tournament, HE Champions, 2-1 in NCAAs, Frozen Four semifinalist
2013-14, 26-11-4, 0.683, 2nd in regular season, 4-1 in HE Tournament, HE Champions, 1-1 in NCAAs
<B>totals, 78-35-7, 0.679, 1 regular season title, 9-3 in HE Tournament, 2 Tournament titles, 3 NCAAs, 4-3 in NCAAs, 1 Frozen Four</B>

So well Coach Bazin had better results than Coach Quinn his first three season, Coach Quinn had better results then Coach York at BC or Coach Leaman at PC. I'm sure most here are well aware of how well Coach York and Coach Leaman did their fourth seasons, so lets see how Coach Quinn does next season.

Sean

 

[J.D.]

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Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

 

[Rover]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

I'm curious: how do you win three national titles, seven Hockey East titles, and four ECAC titles by not showing up for "big games"?

1) He coached for 40 years.
2) He won most of the titles in the first half of his career give or take a couple of years.
3) As the 90's rolled around, his teams gave up no less than 8 goals in 3 title games ('91, '94, '97)
4) In the '91 and '97 games he brought more talented teams into the finals and lost.
5) # of times team got shut out in playoff games is disturbing

I always compare Jack Parker to former Bruins GM Harry Sinden. Longtime hockey men. Staying in their jobs for decades. Were good at what they did at the start of their tenures, but both stuck around 15 years too long as the game passed them by.

 

[Rover]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

Grudgingly this is a solid point.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

Sean probably posted it more for reference than anything. The game was also vastly different 20 years ago. But the comparisons to Bazin and Leaman are very much on point.

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

Honest question - which in the line of good recruits were Yorks first (I think this is relatively consecutive)?

Jamie O'Leary
Marty Reasoner
Jeff Farkas

Were all of them recruited after York took over?

 

[defkit]

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Parker's recruiting was not near the "NHL Factory" level that Quinn's has been so the comparisons there are incongruous. Selectively picking a time frame and selectively picking facts about certain teams paints an unfair picture. You could just as easily say the only reason last year's team lost is because of the mother of all lucky bounces, and 09's team won by dominating the last minutes of regulation play and overtime against Miami. Let's not forget BC only squeaked by measly Ferris State in 2012. They were pasted by Colorado College in 2011, pasted by Union in 2013, and then all-world Johnny Hockey AGAIN couldn't beat Union in 2014! How do they keep losing to these bad programs in the NCAA tournament???? DU moped the floor with them last year as well! Five NCAA tournaments in a row, four woeful exits, and one close tournament win over a team they should've pounded into the ground. See how easy it is to twist facts into a false narrative?

The two champsionships in 37 years argument is ridiculous because it ignores how many times they made the championship game and the Frozen Four. Not to mention the 37-year period is incredibly arbitrary, and if you extend it back a few more years, it becomes five in 45 years. Heck, why not look at it as BC has won only four titles in the last 67 years?

+1

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Another point, they kept talking on the broadcast about how many people we had back from last year's team, yet only two of our top-six forwards and four third- and fourth-liners who started in the PC game were suited up this weekend....

yes, some kids left. but as a program and as a staff you have to expect kids to progress and improve. if you are bringing peeps in here to play 4th line for 4 yrs you are doing something very, very wrong.

 

[Bomber]

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And what's up with the tears at the post-game presser? Does video of this exist somewhere?

 

[Jofa]

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[Sean Pickett]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

Grudgingly this is a solid point.

Actually, Coach York took over two excellent programs at Clarkson and Bowling Green and in both instances his teams had several losing seasons when he first took over those programs. It is likely that the losing seasons he had after taking over those programs and BC had much more to do with his imposing his coaching style on players he did not recruit.

As for the BU program Coach Quinn took over, I've heard from more than a few people that he also inherited a dumpster fire.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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3) As the 90's rolled around, his teams gave up no less than 8 goals in 3 title games ('91, '94, '97)

I know it's a minor point, but BU only gave up 6 goals in the '97 championship game. At least the weather was great that weekend.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Honest question - which in the line of good recruits were Yorks first (I think this is relatively consecutive)?

Jamie O'Leary
Marty Reasoner
Jeff Farkas

Were all of them recruited after York took over?

O'Leary came in the same season Coach York took over (1994), so I would think he was a Coach Cedorchuk recruit. I've read that Reasoner was Coach York's first big recruit (1995) and Farkas came in the following year (1996).

Sean

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Dear lord, you're actually trying to compare the BU program david quinn inherited to the dumpster fire York took on? Not to mention, quinn had eichel already recruited for him. Not dumping on quinn here but let's get real with that comparison.

jrrrry and nate replaced dudes that got themselves fired for having horrible on ice products.

norm replaced (what was it?) a dui'er? who had some piece in place.

GQ did replace a guy who just retired and was supposed to have players there, you are correct.

these are not comparable.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Honest question - which in the line of good recruits were Yorks first (I think this is relatively consecutive)?

Jamie O'Leary
Marty Reasoner
Jeff Farkas

Were all of them recruited after York took over?

marty was his "we are back" moment, mookie believes.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

And what's up with the tears at the post-game presser? Does video of this exist somewhere?

only fair. mookie cried. from embarrassment mind you. but still cried.

(mookie only knows of this from rover's post earlier. didn't see it)

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason

Actually, Coach York took over two excellent programs at Clarkson and Bowling Green and in both instances his teams had several losing seasons when he first took over those programs. It is likely that the losing seasons he had after taking over those programs and BC had much more to do with his imposing his coaching style on players he did not recruit.

As for the BU program Coach Quinn took over, I've heard from more than a few people that he also inherited a dumpster fire.

Sean

it was the "program" that was lighting the fire. the terriors were (and ARE if you get down to it) one busted condom away from a self-imposed death penalty (still...)