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Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

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Rover said:
Who cares? What exactly are we achieving now? We've failed to capture 6 out of the last 7 Beanpots and soon to be 6 out of the last 7 HE titles, and I don't think its been BC that's knocked us off in the HE tournament in any of those times that we lost. We've been to the FF once in 16 years. Again, only once was it BC that we lost to (2006). Nobody can use the "oh its BC standing in our way" excuse when we rarely even get to them.

So maybe a new coach has a down year if some players decommit. I'll take that chance. BU I'm guessing is willing to pay a hockey coach more than all but a handful of programs (the Big 10 schools come to mind). I find it hard to believe a good young coach wouldn't ditch a smaller school to coach here.
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I agree, with any coaching change comes the risk of a temporary downturn while the new guy gets his system and recruits in, but that's probably not going to be that much worse than what we have now. The name BU alone should be able to bring in enough talent to warrant the same results we're getting now with superior talent. You could put me in at head coach and I could bring in guys that'd go .500. That said, it would also be wrong to hastily make a change and if the immediate choice(s) don't come, hire the first guy that walks in the door who had a winning season once. The guy that comes to mind in this scenario is the QU coach. We'd need to make the right hire with a short and long term view of reattaining the level of play that was expected here.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I don't think you, rover or any of us believe that....
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well not rover... but my 6th grade teacher, sister audrey, could. these kids, with some discipline, can win half their games on talent alone. their selfish play though has cost a number of would be victories.
 
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i love seeing mookie get bent all out of shape. that's when you know things are bad...
 
mookie1995 said:
well not rover... but my 6th grade teacher, sister audrey, could. these kids, with some discipline, can win half their games on talent alone. their selfish play though has cost a number of would be victories.
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And you think Audrey could bring that discipline? I think you are underestimating the challenges that being a head coach presents.
 
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ericredaxe said:
And you think Audrey could bring that discipline? I think you are underestimating the challenges that being a head coach presents.
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and just for the record, are you leading me to believe that if someone has a job - say with three mgrs under them, and a staff of 25 under them... that the leadership skills and mgmt expertise they apply to getting the job done with talented individuals in "bank" "sales" "logistics" etc is somehow less than that of a guy who coaches hockey?
 
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mookie1995 said:
and just for the record, are you leading me to believe that if someone has a job - say with three mgrs under them, and a staff of 25 under them... that the leadership skills and mgmt expertise they apply to getting the job done with talented individuals in "bank" "sales" "logistics" etc is somehow less than that of a guy who coaches hockey?
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Certainly leadership and management skills are transferable across various industries to a certain degree.

Regardless, I really don't believe that you think anyone who is a good banking manager could come in and coach a D1 hockey team to a winning record.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Certainly leadership and management skills are transferable across various industries to a certain degree.

Regardless, I really don't believe that you think anyone who is a good banking manager could come in and coach a D1 hockey team to a winning record.
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that's not what i said..... i asked specifically about the leadership and mgmt skills.

i, for example, believe that a former hockey coach can came into a business situation and lead "bank" "sales" "logistics" etc without knowing the first thing about hockey.

i specifically phrased my question with a "head" has three "asst mgrs' under him and a staff of 25. a good manager could step into a team situation and delegate his skill needs to competent mgrs and lead. our coach has specifically over the years voiced an issue with motivation. gauging the pulse of his team. having people quit.

not hockey issues. people skills.

think when you started working. you had a manager, and he had a manager. that top guy didn't do nitty gritty crap. he set goals. made plans. concentrated on motivation and bonuses and the big ticket things that moved the organization or team or group to meet those goals.

these skills are transferable between jobs. not everyone possesses them though.
 
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chickod said:
Yes it is. But I know Mookie was just pulling my leg. It's PITTSburgh, (not Fitchburg) where he's from, that he plays at. Probably Oakmont (ha ha). Arnold Palmer country. :)
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pro came up for a one day in august and we won first place gross ;)
but he left before oleary could give him his shirt :P
 
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mookie1995 said:
that's not what i said..... i asked specifically about the leadership and mgmt skills.

i, for example, believe that a former hockey coach can came into a business situation and lead "bank" "sales" "logistics" etc without knowing the first thing about hockey.

i specifically phrased my question with a "head" has three "asst mgrs' under him and a staff of 25. a good manager could step into a team situation and delegate his skill needs to competent mgrs and lead. our coach has specifically over the years voiced an issue with motivation. gauging the pulse of his team. having people quit.

not hockey issues. people skills.

think when you started working. you had a manager, and he had a manager. that top guy didn't do nitty gritty crap. he set goals. made plans. concentrated on motivation and bonuses and the big ticket things that moved the organization or team or group to meet those goals.

these skills are transferable between jobs. not everyone possesses them though.
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First of all, why would a hockey coach not know the first thing about hockey? (I suspect you meant banking / sales not hockey)

As previously stated, I certainly agree that leadership skills are to some extent transferable across industries.... just as the life lessons learned competing in sports in high school / college can be applied to "real life". Those leadership skills help... but you still need product/industry etc knowledge.

That being said, I disagree that very many (if any) banking/sales etc managers could come in and coach a division 1 team to a winning record.

I dont know your 6th grade teachers, your sisters or Rover's qualifications, but I doubt that they could ... and I seriously don't think that you believe they could either.
 
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I wonder if at this point it would be in the best interest for both Hockey East and for BU if they moved over to the Atlantic Hockey Association, or maybe even the EZAC so that they won't drag the league down with them, especially since HE already has to deal with a terrible UCONN team joining and the collapse of the Maine program. Between the off-ice stuff, suspensions, cheap hits, Parker meltdowns, not to mention their poor play, it just seems that it would be addition by subtraction for the league, plus it would hopefully give BU the opportunity to start winning some games again due to the lesser competition. And if they can eventually get back to respectability and regain their Mojo, at some later date they could perhaps petition to re-join HE.
 
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carltonbarrett said:
I wonder if at this point it would be in the best interest for both Hockey East and for BU if they moved over to the Atlantic Hockey Association, or maybe even the EZAC so that they won't drag the league down with them, especially since HE already has to deal with a terrible UCONN team joining and the collapse of the Maine program. Between the off-ice stuff, suspensions, cheap hits, Parker meltdowns, not to mention their poor play, it just seems that it would be addition by subtraction for the league, plus it would hopefully give BU the opportunity to start winning some games again due to the lesser competition. And if they can eventually get back to respectability and regain their Mojo, at some later date they could perhaps petition to re-join HE.
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oh carlolton, you're such a badazz.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I dont know your 6th grade teachers, your sisters or Rover's qualifications, but I doubt that they could ... and I seriously don't think that you believe they could either.
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you have three people here, i only brought up two... Sister Audrey. a nun. a penguin. benefits or a catholic school education.
 
ericredaxe said:
First of all, why would a hockey coach not know the first thing about hockey? (I suspect you meant banking / sales not hockey)

As previously stated, I certainly agree that leadership skills are to some extent transferable across industries.... just as the life lessons learned competing in sports in high school / college can be applied to "real life". Those leadership skills help... but you still need product/industry etc knowledge.

That being said, I disagree that very many (if any) banking/sales etc managers could come in and coach a division 1 team to a winning record.

I dont know your 6th grade teachers, your sisters or Rover's qualifications, but I doubt that they could ... and I seriously don't think that you believe they could either.
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I guarantee you I could coach them to a last place finish in the Beanpot.

They could bring in Lou Holtz and they don't come in last.

Phil Jackson, too.

Randy Jackson, no.

What we're lacking first and foremost is focus and motivation...we don't need a hockey coach for that.

Don't dismiss the addition by subtraction possibility too...the team might play better with no HC if his lack of energy and interest was hurting the team.

I suspect you'd get a few coaches willing to jump to BU. if the AD can't find a good guy, fire him and get somebody in who can hire a coach.

Lastly for tonight...it can get worse if we do nothing, so don't compare the new person to our best day, compare them to where we will be this time next year if no change is made.

When somebody loses their drive, it goes ugly fast, no matter sports or business. Only place that doesn't impact results is Congress...they have no drive all the time and still produce consistently.
 
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pirate said:
Only place that doesn't impact results is Congress...they have no drive all the time and still produce consistently.
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Produce what????? (I hope you were being sarcastic....)
 
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