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Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Just watched the highlights. The color guy after Rosen's "assist":

"You shouldn't be afraid to pass into the middle of your own zone -- but not with your goaltender out of the net."
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

But relatively speaking, being better than just about everyone else isn't good enough if it isn't better than BC..

I don't think that's a fair statement. Let me tell you why, at least for me, it's not. And I feel that is "masking" the real issue.
It is not BC's fault that there is lack of discipline on this team. When one makes the same mistakes over and over, one can draw only one of two conclusions: a. They don't have good enough talent, or b. They're not well-coached.

Last time I checked, BC didn't cause us to blow big leads.
Last time I checked, BC didn't raise the ticket prices when the team is "underperforming" and the product is less than satisfactory.
Last time I checked, BC didn't cause the food at Agganis to be lousy.
Last time I checked, BC didn't cause certain players to take runs at players after the whistle for no reason game after game without any repercussions.
Last time I checked, BC didn't cause players to quit on their teammates in the middle of the season, something which seems to have become a pattern.

It doesn't seem to me as though there is a dramatic lack of talent. It's not about NOT WINNING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (which everyone on this thread who supports the status quo seems to throw in our face EVERY DAY). It's about the LOUSY attitude, the seeming lack of incentive, enthusiasm, whatever you want to call it. The players seemed detached from the program, as if the only reason they're here is to take the next step to the pros and the *ell with the team. Gee, is that because that is how they're recruited in the first place?? It's about losing to teams with INFERIOR talent on a regular basis. It's about sleepwalking through most of a game and then only "turning it on" when their backs are against the wall. The Patriots haven't won the "ultimate" prize now for nine years, but I don't hear any complaining about the lack of effort or a breakdown in the organization. They put a quality product out there year after year which is engaging for the fans and where the players give tremendous effort on a consistent basis. Does anyone think that Tom Brady or Vince Wilfork or Wes Welker is "mailing it in," just because they're not perfect and they don't win EVERY year? Does anyone think that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce don't give it everything they have every night even if the team is not a top-level NBA team currently? (Now I"m going to get the "But they're JUST COLLEGE KIDS, you CAN'T compare them to pros!!!!!!!!! baloney). I can't? Let's see...if I go to BU it costs me $50k / year. That's a $200k outlay. It costs them 0. Seems to me that's the same thing as making a $50k salary for four years. But that's just me, of course. What do I know? :(

You know, a person may not like their current job (or situation), but the only way to rectify that is to perform as best you can in the hope that someone will recognize your commitment and "promote" you to the next level, whatever that may mean in one's particular field of endeavor. "Mailing it in" doesn't accomplish anything for ANYBODY.

Let me ask any of you this: if you had invested in season tickets to the symphony, and every time you attended there were wrong notes, players who didn't care, a conductor who went through the motions and an uninspiring performance, how long would you continue to attend? Yes, as someone on here said a couple of days ago, I'm OLD :eek: compared to most of you. So I guess I don't like to accept situations where a product I pay for is mediocre and/or the participants don't appear to be giving their best effort EVERY NIGHT. Am I old-fashioned? Yeah, so what if I am? Seems to me that ethic was what made this country great. Better than the attitude of many today, which is "It's no big deal." Or, "whatever." Maybe these guys think they have no responsibility to a program which has given them a FREE education - I don't know. Maybe hockey is getting like football, where all the players think they're entitled. Since hockey has spread into more areas, the old "lunch pail" ethic that was exemplified by many of the players from the iron range or Canada or Charlestown or Southie isn't the same anymore as it pertains to everyone. As someone said, "It's not just BU." True. It's not. But many of those schools don't have the legacy that BU does. If this means we are going to have to "accept" that there can't be "elite" (or "signature" :D) programs anymore, fine. Then we don't need an "elite" coach, do we? So what is everyone so afraid of? What's wrong with making a change? It's not as though we have "everything to lose" and nothing to gain, because it seems to me that we already have lost most of what was special about the program. I think some people are looking through scarlet-colored (not the person) glasses and romanticizing about something which no longer exists.

The reality is this program is NOT special anymore, and to me, that takes a lot of the lustre away. It's not about being a "bandwagon jumper" as someone (I think a UMass fan) suggested. By the way, how many titles (of ANY kind) does UMass hockey have? This is about BU - so comments from people who didn't go there aren't really relevant. If you want to call us "elitist" or "spoiled" or anything else, I don't really care. I don't go on your threads and make comments about your program.

The economy is lousy and I choose to prioritize how I spend my money. One would think that at the very least, the school would be sensitive to the times and at least take a LOOK at how the product on and off the ice is being PERCEIVED by those of us who have supported it all these years. The "look the other way" (and don't give me the thing last summer about the "investigation" which was just lip-service) attitude makes me think that they are not, not to mention that it smacks of a certain arrogance which discourages me even more.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Here's what you said last season:

"overrated bust"

"The BC crowd is boosting him up so as to make BU look like they really took a big hit. Trust me DW and others were laughing about what a bust Coyle was not that long ago. Overrated was used many times to describe him in the past by the same crowd.

Coyle is misisng something that MacArthur, Zanc, Pete Marshall, Drury, Grier (to name a few ) had and thats "heart" ,that goes a long way."

"When you perform like he did as a #1 pick you are a bust/dud/disappointment/underachiever/overrated etc"

"basically a colossal bust"

"Coyle has been a traffic cone except when he is taking dumb penalties."

"I dont care how good he looks on his skates , he was a bust. "

"He not only was a dog, he had fleas."

I think you have too much free time on your hands. :eek:
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Be careful for what you are asking, and the replacement better be really good. Otherwise you will be ruing the day that Jack Parker was sent away due to a "lack of results"

Negatore. See, this is the same argument that everyone uses to "perpetuate" the status quo. It not the "losing." Why doesn't anyone get that? And to whoever said he should be allowed to "write" the ending to his story. BULL****! That's the same attitude that has gotten us to where we are today. Menino saying he wants to be mayor for next 800 years when he can barely walk. (and sorry, that's NOT a cheap shot). When you are no longer capable, it's time to step down and move on. And to those who say people have to be rewarded for their "past service," NO!!! What the heck do you think a SALARY is for?
 
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I don't feel that the fact that BC has been such a good program is an excuse for why BU is not.

Thank you!!!!!! It took you about a few thousand words less than I to say that!! :D
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Rover could coach bu with success. Our program has everything in place to excell year after year. Think of bu as North Dakota, but in a place you'd like to live.

Using "what if he's worse" as an excuse is lame.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

One play last night spoke volumes to me about the state of BU hockey right now . . . BU now has a real chance to tie it up on what will effectively be a 1:00+ powerplay. Was there a celebration in front of the net? Did anyone congratulate Grzelcyk on his awesome inspired play? Nope. Gill and the other two forwards turned their back on him and skated back towards the bench as if the game was some kind of chore leaving Grzelcyk next to Rawlings with no love. BU has the talent to beat anyone, they just don't seem to give a fart half the time.

FishHawk, the BU players' reaction on that goal was measured & appropriate. You were still down a goal.. what did you expect? Gagnam style..:)
They were freaking losing with a minute left!! Too early to start licking each others lollipops fhawk
Why would you celebrate given the circumstances (about to lose a Beanpot to NU)? I would have skated my azz off right back into position for the next faceoff if I scored a goal in that situation.

I agree that Fishhawk is overdoing it here -- but only a little. It made me think of the NC in 2009, we're down 3-1, Zach Cohen scores with a minute left to make it 3-2, and everybody on the ice jumps, hands in the air, big hug behind the net. That reaction tells you something about the team.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

I agree with every word of chickod's 500 word post. All I want to do is go to games and enjoy myself. I can't do that when they play below their ability. I don't expect them to win a championship every year. But I'm sick of watching a good team embarrass itself night after night. This is a team that over the past few years has beaten top teams like BC, Notre Dame, Denver, Michigan, UNH, yet they hold a 34-20-4 record vs teams under .500 since '09. That means they win fewer than 6 of every 10 games vs teams with losing records. Yet they are 39-34-9 vs teams at or above .500.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Slight change of subject.... general question for everone on here.

I know that we all have our overall annual expectations of what the team should so / where they should be at on an annual baisis....

Setting those overall expectations aside, when you looked at this team in September, what did you expect out of this season?

Vastly improved over last year, cause last year sucked

This goes back to the blind faith/hope I mentioned. On paper, there was no reason to believe that this BU team would be better than last year's. None. I said this before the season even started and of course many didn't want to hear it.

Negatore. See, this is the same argument that everyone uses to "perpetuate" the status quo. It not the "losing." Why doesn't anyone get that? And to whoever said he should be allowed to "write" the ending to his story. BULL****! That's the same attitude that has gotten us to where we are today. Menino saying he wants to be mayor for next 800 years when he can barely walk. (and sorry, that's NOT a cheap shot). When you are no longer capable, it's time to step down and move on. And to those who say people have to be rewarded for their "past service," NO!!! What the heck do you think a SALARY is for?

At least this guy gets it ;)
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

This goes back to the blind faith/hope I mentioned. On paper, there was no reason to believe that this BU team would be better than last year's. None. I said this before the season even started and of course many didn't want to hear it.

And I agree with you on this.... their start to the season was vastly exceeding my expectations.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

And I agree with you on this.... their start to the season was vastly exceeding my expectations.

But, they were playing solid 2-way hockey. You know, skating and passing, and crashing the net. We were raving about how well #3 and #5 moved and dished the puck. We loved how#7 made a HUGE jump. And we were all convinced #10 was a ROY candidate. And, and, they seemed to be working well as a team. Heck, we even got some "I like my team" quotes out of Parker in Oct/Nov.

Now?

What happened?

Who's going to fix it?

Why are players quitting?

Where are the crisp breakouts?

Where are the slick back-door passes?

Where's the jump?

(I could go on all day...)
 
This goes back to the blind faith/hope I mentioned. On paper, there was no reason to believe that this BU team would be better than last year's. None. I said this before the season even started and of course many didn't want to hear it.

What the hell are you blowing?!? This is ****ing Boston University hockey. The high level of support, facilities, and funding demand that whomever is in charge exceeds out expectations annually. Every year.

Does **** happen that sidetracks a season? Injuries, rapes ( :eek: ), whatnot? Sure. But those are the exceptions.

This isn't god**** brown or nu where you like a game to break up the rut of winter. If anyone, ANYONE, shows up thinking that this year will be less than last (outside of an undefeated national chpionship), go back to sharing Boston Arena with nu and raze haa to throw up some **** dorms. Drop scholarships and schedule Westfield state at 10a on Saturdays. Shut the **** up already.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

The Dallas Cowboys have a nice facility.. money.. the works. But (blue collar) Baltimore wins..

Mookie..entitlement kills..
:)
 
The Dallas Cowboys have a nice facility.. money.. the works. But (blue collar) Baltimore wins..

Mookie..entitlement kills..
:)

College hockey does not have a salary cap. And even though it does, Cleveland still plays the role of northeastern year after year after year after year.
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

College hockey does not have a salary cap. And even though it does, Cleveland still plays the role of northeastern year after year after year after year.

..did i mention the entitlement kills.. applies to pompous fans as well.. :)
 
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II

Rover could coach bu with success. Our program has everything in place to excell year after year. Think of bu as North Dakota, but in a place you'd like to live.

Using "what if he's worse" as an excuse is lame.

This is true, and this would be why the "We're going to turn into Lake State!!!!!" argument is stupid. That said, if the decision is that change is going to be made, there must be a qualified candidate ready to take the position. Not just anyone can be placed there and maintain/regain the standard of success that has been set for the program.
 
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