brassbonanza
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Hard not to think of the kid as at least a bit of a backstabber or at least a quitter.
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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
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Hard not to think of the kid as at least a bit of a backstabber or at least a quitter.
ericredaxe
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Backstabber maybe not. But quitter? Definitely.
ericredaxe
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But most importantly, merry Christmas to all.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Whether he'd not been giving it 100% or wether Jack's offensive game plan was holding him back, he still was arguably the most talented kid on the team and no matter how you slice it, it's a big loss for BU.
Whether he'd not been giving it 100% or wether Jack's offensive game plan was holding him back, he still was arguably the most talented kid on the team and no matter how you slice it, it's a big loss for BU.
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I think both apply. I'll be rooting for the U.S. obviously at the WJC but he is going to fall into the BC player category where I'm rooting for the team but not certain individual players to play well..unless it's helping Clendening rack up the assists.
I think both apply. I'll be rooting for the U.S. obviously at the WJC but he is going to fall into the BC player category where I'm rooting for the team but not certain individual players to play well..unless it's helping Clendening rack up the assists.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
quality kid, exceptional talent. BU was not the right program and time to move on.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Awww. A dead link. You shouldn't have!
Awww. A dead link. You shouldn't have!
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Conceding you have no obligation to do so, can you expand upon your "not the right program" comment? In what respects?
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I get to most BU games, so had lots of time to see Coyle, but never figured him out. He was strong, skilled, and for the most part played smart two-way hockey. But the fact remains, he scored 5 goals in calendar 2011. With 3 this season, he was trailing six teammates. What puzzles me is that he took only 25 shots in 16 games, in spite of being on the power play.
If you want to make a case for him, you'd have to say that he's a grinder not a scorer. In BU's 4-1 win over UNH, I thought he and his line played really well, but he didn't score a point. They just wore UNH down with battles on the boards and in the corners. That's important, no doubt about it. But it's a job that can be done by players who don't have Coyle's seeming skills. (Think John McCarthy.)
Sure, BU would be a better team with Coyle than without him, but Trivino was playing great in all phases of the game. He's the bigger loss by far. Coyle and Cisse had 4 goals between them to this point. My bet is that Cisse on his own will beat that easily the second half, especially as he'll be skating with better playmakers.
I get to most BU games, so had lots of time to see Coyle, but never figured him out. He was strong, skilled, and for the most part played smart two-way hockey. But the fact remains, he scored 5 goals in calendar 2011. With 3 this season, he was trailing six teammates. What puzzles me is that he took only 25 shots in 16 games, in spite of being on the power play.
If you want to make a case for him, you'd have to say that he's a grinder not a scorer. In BU's 4-1 win over UNH, I thought he and his line played really well, but he didn't score a point. They just wore UNH down with battles on the boards and in the corners. That's important, no doubt about it. But it's a job that can be done by players who don't have Coyle's seeming skills. (Think John McCarthy.)
Sure, BU would be a better team with Coyle than without him, but Trivino was playing great in all phases of the game. He's the bigger loss by far. Coyle and Cisse had 4 goals between them to this point. My bet is that Cisse on his own will beat that easily the second half, especially as he'll be skating with better playmakers.
Jacques Joubert
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Not making light of the loss but he was never the same after world juniors last year. He seemed to be a very poor skater to me.
Big guy with great hands, no question, but Colin Wilson he's not. Not even a Brandon Yip or even a Keny Roche
Not making light of the loss but he was never the same after world juniors last year. He seemed to be a very poor skater to me.
Big guy with great hands, no question, but Colin Wilson he's not. Not even a Brandon Yip or even a Keny Roche
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Any speculation about what the lines will look like when everyone's back?
PS I probably missed it, but I hope someone gave Chris Connolly a tip of the hat for getting his 100th career point against UNH at the Whitt (and then two more in Orono)?
Any speculation about what the lines will look like when everyone's back?
PS I probably missed it, but I hope someone gave Chris Connolly a tip of the hat for getting his 100th career point against UNH at the Whitt (and then two more in Orono)?
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Quality kid, rare talent. Will be a better pro than a college player. I meant league, not so much BU. Smart move as his goal is nhl not Beanpot.
Not the thread to start up on college game but it is a borderline bowling alley and has zero to do with pro style game. To much running around and hitting for all the wrong reasons. Hockey east is best league in country but MJ will get him ready for pros quicker, with his style. Thee is a reason why he looked so good at WJC and not as much when playing other college teams.
Will have along pro career and is a solid+ skater, considered very good for the style he will play
Quality kid, rare talent. Will be a better pro than a college player. I meant league, not so much BU. Smart move as his goal is nhl not Beanpot.
Not the thread to start up on college game but it is a borderline bowling alley and has zero to do with pro style game. To much running around and hitting for all the wrong reasons. Hockey east is best league in country but MJ will get him ready for pros quicker, with his style. Thee is a reason why he looked so good at WJC and not as much when playing other college teams.
Will have along pro career and is a solid+ skater, considered very good for the style he will play
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I know where you're coming from but at the end of the day, Coyle will still be a BU guy. Anytime anyone talks about Coyle + NCAA, BU will undoubtedly be referred to. I'll still be rooting for him and hopefully he does well in MJ and eventually the NHL.
I know where you're coming from but at the end of the day, Coyle will still be a BU guy. Anytime anyone talks about Coyle + NCAA, BU will undoubtedly be referred to. I'll still be rooting for him and hopefully he does well in MJ and eventually the NHL.
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I understand what you're saying, but my albeit basic understanding of the Q is that it's a run and gun, up and down the ice, derby-style game with lots of scoring and little defense. From his games at BU, he never seemed the type who would especially excel in that type of environment. He's a good skater, but never struck me as a speedster. His game seemed to be more utilizing his size and strength to outwork guys along the boards and in front of the net to establish position, set screens, clean up pucks around the net, and fire off shots from the low slot. Not saying he couldn't or won't excel in the Q, but I don't see how his game is more suited for that than playing in the top college league that has its fair share of speed and size.
I understand what you're saying, but my albeit basic understanding of the Q is that it's a run and gun, up and down the ice, derby-style game with lots of scoring and little defense. From his games at BU, he never seemed the type who would especially excel in that type of environment. He's a good skater, but never struck me as a speedster. His game seemed to be more utilizing his size and strength to outwork guys along the boards and in front of the net to establish position, set screens, clean up pucks around the net, and fire off shots from the low slot. Not saying he couldn't or won't excel in the Q, but I don't see how his game is more suited for that than playing in the top college league that has its fair share of speed and size.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Giving him a pass for not being able or willing to do the work to stay in school
Not high quality to leave your teammates mid-season
Giving him a pass for not being able or willing to do the work to stay in school
Not high quality to leave your teammates mid-season
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FiveHole12
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
If this doesn't work, the one at the UML thread works.
Try this.
If this doesn't work, the one at the UML thread works.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
true, I like OHL much better. Can't stand the Q and outside Yandle and Hennesy, not many mass kids do well up there. The key is it is a slowed down, pro style game with 80 games vs 30 and he will be in AHL next year anyways. It is pretty obvious he didnt like school, such is life.
true, I like OHL much better. Can't stand the Q and outside Yandle and Hennesy, not many mass kids do well up there. The key is it is a slowed down, pro style game with 80 games vs 30 and he will be in AHL next year anyways. It is pretty obvious he didnt like school, such is life.
mookie1995
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this didn't really answer the question.
are you saying that charlie didn't think he needed to play a role? wouldn't accept things that didn't say to him, "hey, you are a first liner. how would you like your milk?" that he was a pawn, being told to work corners or stand in front of the net on the pp and he should have had better opportunities that weren't presented to him here but will be up north?
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