Re: Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth
Yes, he is either leaving BU or not.
Yes, he is either leaving BU or not.
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Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth
It was that way 40 years ago (ex-the roofies). It will be that way 40 years from now.
Fraternities make even less sense at a large urban university that is surrounded by myriad forms of entertainemnt. OTOH they serve the perfectly human need to "belong" or to be "identified " with something.
A E Pi has been around for nearly a century and has many chapters around the country. Why was it not recognized by bu?
It was that way 40 years ago (ex-the roofies). It will be that way 40 years from now.
Fraternities make even less sense at a large urban university that is surrounded by myriad forms of entertainemnt. OTOH they serve the perfectly human need to "belong" or to be "identified " with something.
A E Pi has been around for nearly a century and has many chapters around the country. Why was it not recognized by bu?
Guy Marchaud
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth
Of course not. No one would be happy with that. But HE titles and FFs are team measures, not individual player measures. It does not necessarily follow that had Curry and Schneider exchanged teams, the team records would have exchanged as well.
My points were simply (a) that some guys are excellent college players even if they don't make the NHL, so measuring the quality of a college program based on its NHL alums is part, but only one part, of the story and (b) most games when Curry was matched against Schneider I did not spend the games agonizing and wishing we had Schneider in our net, and that is speaking as a goalie myself.
As for the Worcester game, I assume you mean the first round drubbing by BC. Frankly, I thought we were doomed before that game was even played. It was the worst possible draw for us in the entire tourney field, IMO. We had beaten BC, I think, 5 straight that year (regular season, BP, HE Championship - on Yip's OT goal). Each time the margin of victory got thinner and thinner. It's really tough to beat a good team six times in a row and some nights the roof just caves in. And wasn't the first goal a D-to-D pass giveaway right in front to Boyle? Now, if you want to pick a playoff game where Curry had an off night, you could pick that one out in Grand Rapids where we lost to Michigan State.
There are lots of ways to measure the quality of a program. For me, the most unnerving stat about BC is not the actual championships but the fact that in the 15 years since 1998, they have played for the championship eight times -- on average better than every other year! We all know how JP likes to quip that "there are four schools that play in the Beanpot, but players should come to BU to play for the Beanpot." Let's just JY doesn't one-up him by starting to quip that players should come to BC "to play for the National Championship." Ouch!
Of course not. No one would be happy with that. But HE titles and FFs are team measures, not individual player measures. It does not necessarily follow that had Curry and Schneider exchanged teams, the team records would have exchanged as well.
My points were simply (a) that some guys are excellent college players even if they don't make the NHL, so measuring the quality of a college program based on its NHL alums is part, but only one part, of the story and (b) most games when Curry was matched against Schneider I did not spend the games agonizing and wishing we had Schneider in our net, and that is speaking as a goalie myself.
As for the Worcester game, I assume you mean the first round drubbing by BC. Frankly, I thought we were doomed before that game was even played. It was the worst possible draw for us in the entire tourney field, IMO. We had beaten BC, I think, 5 straight that year (regular season, BP, HE Championship - on Yip's OT goal). Each time the margin of victory got thinner and thinner. It's really tough to beat a good team six times in a row and some nights the roof just caves in. And wasn't the first goal a D-to-D pass giveaway right in front to Boyle? Now, if you want to pick a playoff game where Curry had an off night, you could pick that one out in Grand Rapids where we lost to Michigan State.
There are lots of ways to measure the quality of a program. For me, the most unnerving stat about BC is not the actual championships but the fact that in the 15 years since 1998, they have played for the championship eight times -- on average better than every other year! We all know how JP likes to quip that "there are four schools that play in the Beanpot, but players should come to BU to play for the Beanpot." Let's just JY doesn't one-up him by starting to quip that players should come to BC "to play for the National Championship." Ouch!
brassbonanza
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Most likely because of stupid crap like this. BU does not like fraternities and sororities in general and is very averse to recognizing new ones. I had a friend that went through the hassle of getting his frat recognized by BU, and it took them nearly three years to accomplish it, his being a very well known national fraternity. Greek life is not all that big on campus anyway, I think the percentage of students in a Greek organization is below 10%.
Most likely because of stupid crap like this. BU does not like fraternities and sororities in general and is very averse to recognizing new ones. I had a friend that went through the hassle of getting his frat recognized by BU, and it took them nearly three years to accomplish it, his being a very well known national fraternity. Greek life is not all that big on campus anyway, I think the percentage of students in a Greek organization is below 10%.
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I could be wrong, but I think Curry was HE POTY as a Senior, after being the runner up in both his Sophomore and Junior years. While fault can certainly be found with some of those HE end of season awards, I'd say that is a pretty strong argument for Curry being considered as good as Schneider WHILE IN COLLEGE, or at least for one not to be conisdered under the influence when claiming so.
I could be wrong, but I think Curry was HE POTY as a Senior, after being the runner up in both his Sophomore and Junior years. While fault can certainly be found with some of those HE end of season awards, I'd say that is a pretty strong argument for Curry being considered as good as Schneider WHILE IN COLLEGE, or at least for one not to be conisdered under the influence when claiming so.
ericredaxe
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And Curry was in the final 10 or whatever they call that for hobey baker and I don't think Schneide was.
northeastern
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..one tequila, two tequila.. three tequila.. floor..
(George Carlin)
..one tequila, two tequila.. three tequila.. floor..
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I'm simply saying Cory Schneider was and is a better goaltender than John Curry. And Curry was pretty good.
BC scored one goal against Wisconsin and one goal against MSU. In the other tourney lost, BC got smoked by a team that smoked BU and Curry...the night before. BC would still have five titles right now if we had Curry instead of Schneider.
In Matti's two tourney losses, you guessed it. BC scored 1 goal in each of those games as well. One loss was against LeNeveu of Cornell and the other to Jimmy Howard of Maine. Sean Fields wasn't beating those guys either.
Who was first team goalie in HE this year, Carr? Is there any doubt who finished the season as the best goalie in Hockey East?
I'm simply saying Cory Schneider was and is a better goaltender than John Curry. And Curry was pretty good.
BC scored one goal against Wisconsin and one goal against MSU. In the other tourney lost, BC got smoked by a team that smoked BU and Curry...the night before. BC would still have five titles right now if we had Curry instead of Schneider.
In Matti's two tourney losses, you guessed it. BC scored 1 goal in each of those games as well. One loss was against LeNeveu of Cornell and the other to Jimmy Howard of Maine. Sean Fields wasn't beating those guys either.
Who was first team goalie in HE this year, Carr? Is there any doubt who finished the season as the best goalie in Hockey East?
Guy Marchaud
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I think right now Cory is an outstanding goalie who should be in a spot to play every night...
Can't disagree with you. I live in Vancouver, BC now and get to watch him regularly (it DOES take awhile to learn to cheer for a BC guy, but it can be done... at least he's from Mass). Also, he did have to pay his dues during three seasons in Winnipeg and improve his game.
Too bad the Canucks are stuck with Luongo and his huge contract. I suspect it will be easier to fix BU hockey than fix Luongo.
carltonbarrett
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He was obviously a known commodity, but there's a big difference between looking good amongst a bunch of 17 year old kids at a several day tournament that didn't include many of the real top end 93's and being a "can't miss" blue chip recruit. It wasn't until he lit up the USHL playing against kids 2 or 3 years older, that people really started thinking his skill set could translate into a strong college career. We can agree to disagree, but in the end, NU locked him up before he really became the elite prospect that he was after his year in the USHL. If you read the entire USHR article, even they mention that their rankings aren't really based on a players D-1 potential, but more a combination of things.
He was obviously a known commodity, but there's a big difference between looking good amongst a bunch of 17 year old kids at a several day tournament that didn't include many of the real top end 93's and being a "can't miss" blue chip recruit. It wasn't until he lit up the USHL playing against kids 2 or 3 years older, that people really started thinking his skill set could translate into a strong college career. We can agree to disagree, but in the end, NU locked him up before he really became the elite prospect that he was after his year in the USHL. If you read the entire USHR article, even they mention that their rankings aren't really based on a players D-1 potential, but more a combination of things.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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DON'T COME HERE AND TRY TO CONFUSE THE MASSES WITH FACTS!!!! LIE, **** LIES, AND STATISTICS!!!!
fields could have won 1-0!
DON'T COME HERE AND TRY TO CONFUSE THE MASSES WITH FACTS!!!! LIE, **** LIES, AND STATISTICS!!!!
fields could have won 1-0!
ah, Carr?
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did you factor in the disallowed goals?
macarthur scored more goals on curry than he did on schneider. ergo, schneider is better
did you factor in the disallowed goals?
macarthur scored more goals on curry than he did on schneider. ergo, schneider is better
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I think it is worse than described. On many campuses they aren't the 'no social skills' crowd...in some houses they are quite the opposite which actually leads to more problems...girls (i.e. freshman girls) are more succeptible to the guys who look the part but, once in a group/mob, have no compunction lowering themselves to the worst behavior possible.
Obviously there are different scenarios at each campus but from what I have seen and heard, the unruly behavior of the BU hockey team, in its history, is one semester at some of these places.
If you've ever sat around and listened to stories from a few frat brothers at a wedding, HS reunion or party, what they share and recall as 'good times' usually involves a fair amount of illegal activity regarding young girls and booze. As individuals, most of these guys are probably not an issue, as a group they devolve into behavior that is beyond 'school boy antics'. That they cover for each other and use the group to intimidate others is a big reason why they are able to persist. It seems schools are doing a much better job than they used to to curtail and eliminate the worst of the bunch...mostly due to legal risks, not because they really care.
The story I remember is that BU's history with frats changed markedly in the 70's when frats housed differing sides of the social battles in the US (ROTC vs. anti-war) and the environment resulted in the school eliminating frats. Add Silber's No Fun Allowed policies and frats were struggling to create even off-campus existence.
I think it is worse than described. On many campuses they aren't the 'no social skills' crowd...in some houses they are quite the opposite which actually leads to more problems...girls (i.e. freshman girls) are more succeptible to the guys who look the part but, once in a group/mob, have no compunction lowering themselves to the worst behavior possible.
Obviously there are different scenarios at each campus but from what I have seen and heard, the unruly behavior of the BU hockey team, in its history, is one semester at some of these places.
If you've ever sat around and listened to stories from a few frat brothers at a wedding, HS reunion or party, what they share and recall as 'good times' usually involves a fair amount of illegal activity regarding young girls and booze. As individuals, most of these guys are probably not an issue, as a group they devolve into behavior that is beyond 'school boy antics'. That they cover for each other and use the group to intimidate others is a big reason why they are able to persist. It seems schools are doing a much better job than they used to to curtail and eliminate the worst of the bunch...mostly due to legal risks, not because they really care.
The story I remember is that BU's history with frats changed markedly in the 70's when frats housed differing sides of the social battles in the US (ROTC vs. anti-war) and the environment resulted in the school eliminating frats. Add Silber's No Fun Allowed policies and frats were struggling to create even off-campus existence.
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People can be sarcastic all the want...the reality was that goal stunned BU and gave BC unbelievable confidence. BU played hesitantly the rest of the game and BC played aggressively as though they could smell it. The entire atmosphere in the building changed. (and I don't really care what anyone thinks - that's the way I saw it - so laugh away if you want)
People can be sarcastic all the want...the reality was that goal stunned BU and gave BC unbelievable confidence. BU played hesitantly the rest of the game and BC played aggressively as though they could smell it. The entire atmosphere in the building changed. (and I don't really care what anyone thinks - that's the way I saw it - so laugh away if you want)
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I can tell you she is absolutely serious.
I can tell you she is absolutely serious.
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Thank you. At least someone objectively remembers what happened in that game. You're exactly right...BC came into that game almost KNOWING they could win. You could see the confidence, as if they were saying "There is NO WAY you are going to beat us AGAIN." That first goal totally deflated BU. No, Scarlet, they didn't cancel the game after that first goal, but they may as well have, because it was effectively over at that point...
Thank you. At least someone objectively remembers what happened in that game. You're exactly right...BC came into that game almost KNOWING they could win. You could see the confidence, as if they were saying "There is NO WAY you are going to beat us AGAIN." That first goal totally deflated BU. No, Scarlet, they didn't cancel the game after that first goal, but they may as well have, because it was effectively over at that point...
ericredaxe
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth
Sometimes a wheel comes off... it happens. Not sure we can pin it on any one thing... (motivation, confidence, gameplan etc etc). For us though, that was about the worst possible time / opponent for it.
Sometimes a wheel comes off... it happens. Not sure we can pin it on any one thing... (motivation, confidence, gameplan etc etc). For us though, that was about the worst possible time / opponent for it.
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