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Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

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pirate said:
It is Parker's job to get them motivated any way he can...he can't just assume they will do it because the game is important.
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Well from his post games chuckles last night it's apparent that he's assuming just that
 
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Let's be careful to overevaluate the mood of the team and how Parker is coaching from whether or not he chuckled in a press conference, or if he picked his nose, or if this guy skated off the ice with his head down, or Kieran looked mad on the fourth goal. We're all not in the locker room, so none of us know what's actually going on there. Speculating about it then forming conclusions based on very little information is a bit foolish.
 
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This is an USCHO forum! It was created to overevaluate!

In a historical question...I know BU hasn't lost in the quarters since 01...when were they last swept in the quarters? USCHO and BU athletics only seem to go back to 98 or so and I didn't see any sweeps that far back


Edit: Answering my own question, the last time it looks like they were swept in a best of 3 QF was 87-88 at WBA to providence. There were other "sweeps" but it looks like those were years in which the QF's were single game elimination? (86-87 to NU, 88-89 to PC and 91-92 to BC)
 
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slurpees said:
Let's be careful to overevaluate the mood of the team and how Parker is coaching from whether or not he chuckled in a press conference, or if he picked his nose, or if this guy skated off the ice with his head down, or Kieran looked mad on the fourth goal. We're all not in the locker room, so none of us know what's actually going on there. Speculating about it then forming conclusions based on very little information is a bit foolish.
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Amen.
 
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slurpees said:
Let's be careful to overevaluate the mood of the team and how Parker is coaching from whether or not he chuckled in a press conference, or if he picked his nose, or if this guy skated off the ice with his head down, or Kieran looked mad on the fourth goal. We're all not in the locker room, so none of us know what's actually going on there. Speculating about it then forming conclusions based on very little information is a bit foolish.
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If they had no track record of showing up flat in big games, I'd just assume it was taken care of and not offer my opinion.

I'll support Parker in many aspects but not in making sure the team doesn't show up and sleep walk through key games...it is pretty common by this time.

It has been said before but rarely is the first comment, "hey, I take responsibility for not having them ready tonight" it usually is some deflection etc.

Head Coach. That is the title, he gets paid to have the team ready for key games. If they are tired, inexperienced, hurt, whatever...the job description doesn't say run a national caliber team only when the cards fall the right way.
 
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slurpees said:
Ah ha, we have come back to the original gripe about this team: youth. They just haven't played together that much. Sure, there's an argument that things should have improved by this point in the season, and they should have. But this is largely a group of kids who haven't played together for more than a few months. I think there has been some improvement in general awareness of your teammates, but they still need to just get some more time under their belt.
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Sorry, Slurpees. I just don't buy that line of thinking.

Last night NU played seven freshman while bu started five (Nasty Noonan would have been the sixth). It can be argued that the NU freshman 3 Ds and 4 Fwds. are more important to their team than the terriers' class. The NU kids seem to know each other pretty well. Perhaps they are more sociable. Perhaps, heaven forbid, they are collectively more talented than the terriers frosh. Perhaps they are tougher, work harder, or are more coachable/getting better coaching. What could it be?
 
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Ryecheers said:
Sorry, Slurpees. I just don't buy that line of thinking.

Last night NU played seven freshman while bu started five (Nasty Noonan would have been the sixth). It can be argued that the NU freshman 3 Ds and 4 Fwds. are more important to their team than the terriers' class. The NU kids seem to know each other pretty well. Perhaps they are more sociable. Perhaps, heaven forbid, they are collectively more talented than the terriers frosh. Perhaps they are tougher, work harder, or are more coachable/getting better coaching. What could it be?
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I wasn't comparing the two teams, I was only commenting on our squad, so your point really doesn't make sense here. BU has one senior, and three upperclassmen skaters. There are 14 underclassmen skaters, including three freshman D (I'm including Ruikka) and three freshman forwards. My point is, there's a LOT of youth, and in turn, a LOT of inexperience. I think where Parker has misstepped a bit this year is in jumbling up lines too much, a common knock on him throughout the years. The new kids needed some time to gel together more with their linemates and understand how they play, where they'll be on the ice, work out their spacing, what each other's strengths and weaknesses are. The only place where this has happened is on the fourth line, and I think you can say without a doubt, they've shown the most improvement over the course of the season of any of the four lines.
 
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-- not knowing what their teammates are doing because they are young, or lines change?

HA! Before I got old and fat I would play basketball. As an undergrad I would go to WBA or Sargent every night and play pick up. There was little security in those days and we would get neighborhood guys who were looking for a place to play. I would be able to tell within 10 sec on the court who could play. Who knew what they were doing, with and w/o the ball. Where people would be. And how to get them engaged so we'd keep the court. And I am not good. Short, dumpy white guy. Certainly no where close to the athletic level of these D1 caliber athletes. Weak excuse.

--AC pressing? Unsure?
If he is 18 he has been playing organized hockey for more than half his life, and at a very high level with probably the best available coaches in his area for at least half that playing time. As someone who is in the middle of following three boys through youth hockey, you see which kids "get it". And have the potential to play well. From ACs resume and current standing he is beyond any of them or their potential.
There may be some reason for what you see. But it is not that excuse.
 
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mookie1995 said:
-- not knowing what their teammates are doing because they are young, or lines change?

HA! Before I got old and fat I would play basketball. As an undergrad I would go to WBA or Sargent every night and play pick up. There was little security in those days and we would get neighborhood guys who were looking for a place to play. I would be able to tell within 10 sec on the court who could play. Who knew what they were doing, with and w/o the ball. Where people would be. And how to get them engaged so we'd keep the court. And I am not good. Short, dumpy white guy. Certainly no where close to the athletic level of these D1 caliber athletes. Weak excuse.

--AC pressing? Unsure?
If he is 18 he has been playing organized hockey for more than half his life, and at a very high level with probably the best available coaches in his area for at least half that playing time. As someone who is in the middle of following three boys through youth hockey, you see which kids "get it". And have the potential to play well. From ACs resume and current standing he is beyond any of them or their potential.
There may be some reason for what you see. But it is not that excuse.
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I don't mean for my comments to come off as an excuse, rather an assessment of what I'm looking at. If we want to start assigning blame for those things, you can make a good case to throw mud on anyone you want, coaches and players.
 
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pirate said:
You sure he can't get to campus tonight? They could use him.

One other note...the whole motivation thing.

Before somebody rolls out the old "if you aren't motivated already..." story
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Well, maybe it's a generational thing. I haven't played competitive sports since I was 20 (and that was a LONG time ago), but nobody EVER had to motivate me. I was just happy to be out there. I can think of about a thousand things worse than playing sports. But maybe I grew up in a time where we appreciated things more (translate: was less pampered). My parents had to PAY my tuition and room and board (and I worked while I was in school to try to defray some expenses as well). Admittedly, maybe it's not "fun" anymore (i.e. the expectations are higher and there is more pressure, but on the other hand, the payoff is so much greater as well). Either that, or as I said last night, they're just not as good as we thought. And why is that so hard to admit? Because we're BU?
 
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pirate said:
You sure he can't get to campus tonight? They could use him.

One other note...the whole motivation thing.

Before somebody rolls out the old "if you aren't motivated already..." story, coaches and captains can motivate players, even if it is the Super bowl. And, given the person doing the motivation, it can be anything under the sun from an imaginary slight via comment in the paper, a dirty hit, years of history, sick kids, all the blood, sweat and tears spent etc.

It is Parker's job to get them motivated any way he can...he can't just assume they will do it because the game is important. There would never be a big upset in a game if both teams always showed up completely ready to play and execute and emotion never played a role.

Any of us that have ever spent a half-time or pre-game getting a motivational speech can attest that they don't always work but sometimes it is exactly what players need, some kind of emotional rallying point.

It doesn't have to be real, it doesn't have to make a lot of sense in retrospect, it only has to work for an hour. If they just go about their business, one of the youngest teams he has ever coached, they are taking a risk. I'd rather they be too keyed up than zombie their way through 2 periods like last night.
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Well said its all on Parker. This team has had alot of "when was the last time that happened" occurences this year and it will continue after this home sweep. I just hope next year when this "young" team grows up and this "great" recruiting class comes in that we are minus JP behind the bench and DW on defense for starters. I only see 6 players I want to definitely keep for next year Nieto, Clendening, Noonan, Gill, Megan and Chiasson. You could fill in the rest with Frosh and be no worse off.
 
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For anyone out there who feels like answering:

If you are in JP's shoes tonight.... what do you say or do to/with the team to "get them ready" for tonights game.
 
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ericredaxe said:
For anyone out there who feels like answering:

If you are in JP's shoes tonight.... what do you say or do to/with the team to "get them ready" for tonights game.
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If I'm him, they've heard enough from me and the staff throughout the year most likely. I'd turn to one of my captains to speak up, maybe call a few people out, point out that this could be Joe P's last game. I think it would mean more coming from someone in a leadership role...maybe even Joe P. But I don't know if any one player holds that kind of leadership position on the team right now
 
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So evidently, there was a "miscommunication" between myself and the CM coach, who has called to say Hetnik to BU is not official. My apologies to anybody who I misled with the story. I would still venture to guess there's a very strong chance Hetnik ends up on campus, however.
 
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ericredaxe said:
For anyone out there who feels like answering:

If you are in JP's shoes tonight.... what do you say or do to/with the team to "get them ready" for tonights game.
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I believe in confidence/positive reinforcement. I would bring up success and, heck show some video with that success. Or, perhaps take it a step further and show HISTORIC success. Pride of BU crap. That kind of thing. I know that would be me fired up to "defend the program" tonight.

More general, I'd say "attack the goal. Get back. Don't suck." :)

BU Hockey: Neidermeyer. DEAD!
 
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BigRedTerrier said:
If I'm him, they've heard enough from me and the staff throughout the year most likely. I'd turn to one of my captains to speak up, maybe call a few people out, point out that this could be Joe P's last game. I think it would mean more coming from someone in a leadership role...maybe even Joe P. But I don't know if any one player holds that kind of leadership position on the team right now
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i really agree with this. they've seen n'eastern 4 times now, they know what type of game needs to be played in order to win. i'd let joe step up and say hey look boys i don't want this to end, let's go out there and play bu hockey
 
BU Hammer said:
So evidently, there was a "miscommunication" between myself and the CM coach, who has called to say Hetnik to BU is not official. My apologies to anybody who I misled with the story. I would still venture to guess there's a very strong chance Hetnik ends up on campus, however.
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I didn't go to te game last night. I went home instead and saw that All The Presidents Men was on, so I watched it (as I always do when it's on).
I was telling the boys to watch and see how difference things were just a short time ago. How I was there age when all the things they saw were taking place and I could recall how things looked and how things were.
.... Funny how I can hear Ben Bradley holding hammer's story and saying, "feels light". :D
 
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BU Hammer said:
So evidently, there was a "miscommunication" between myself and the CM coach, who has called to say Hetnik to BU is not official. My apologies to anybody who I misled with the story. I would still venture to guess there's a very strong chance Hetnik ends up on campus, however.
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http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/west_roxbury/2011/03/cms_hetnik_commits_to_bu.html

Boston.com is reporting this too... I don't know how this can be a miscommunication. Pretty strange.
 
Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

- Youth is not an excuse at this point in the season.
- I don't care if they are tired. Suck it up! This is the friggin' playoffs!
- It is absolutely Parker's job to have them ready to go. Unfortuatnely, it's pretty hard to change a season (seaons?) of ill-preparedness/lack of motivation in one night.
- This team has definitely regressed. Not all the individuals have (Nieto, Courtnall, Noonan, among others have improved as the season has gone on). But as a whole, the inconsistency and overall decline has been maddening. THey ahve had two nice winning streaks, but both have been against the lower half of the conference. And yes, their performance against BC improved with each game. But c'mon, it's not like BC is undefeated! We should have been able to take at least one from them. Instead, we looked like high schoolers against them in December.
- I hope Nick is right, I really do. Unfortunately, I think last night was the last chance. Now that NU is one win away from the garden, they will be very difficult to beat.
 
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