Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

[Federal League]

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Does anyone know the "story behind the story here?" Was there dissatisfaction with KS's defensive play? Or is this a need to give to get situation?

Looks to me like it's two teams that expected to be having better seasons than they are shaking things up in hopes of making a late playoff push. Between Johnson, Stewart and Shattenkirk, that's a lot of very good young players switching teams. I think the Avs overreacted. Johnson is the best player in the deal, but I don't think he's worth two cornerstone players like Stewart and Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk has obviously slowed after a very good start, but I think he's proven he has what it takes to succeed in the NHL and be a top-four defenseman for years to come. And Stewart, despite injury problems this year, is a top-six forward on any team.

 

[buoldtimer]

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Looks to me like it's two teams that expected to be having better seasons than they are shaking things up in hopes of making a late playoff push. Between Johnson, Stewart and Shattenkirk, that's a lot of very good young players switching teams. I think the Avs overreacted. Johnson is the best player in the deal, but I don't think he's worth two cornerstone players like Stewart and Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk has obviously slowed after a very good start, but I think he's proven he has what it takes to succeed in the NHL and be a top-four defenseman for years to come. And Stewart, despite injury problems this year, is a top-six forward on any team.

Can you ask JP for his opinion? Or does he decline to comment on NHL topics?

 

[pirate]

Maybe yeah... Most head coaches of varsity programs spend ungodly ammounts of time doing things related to the program apart from practice and games. Doesn't matter what sport .. That's all I was saying.

Yeah, not disagreeing with you at all. I think he must have less time than some since he has these other duties that have nothing to do with hockey whereas many of his peers don't,

 

[J.D.]

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Does anyone know the "story behind the story here?" Was there dissatisfaction with KS's defensive play? Or is this a need to give to get situation?

Gotta say, I was shocked when I saw this trade. From both teams--if that's possible. I can't say I've seen either one play a lot this season, but I figured he and Stewart were two players Colorado would try to build around. There has to be more to this, right? Was Erik Johnson disappointing in St. Louis?

Am I right in thinking that York has something like 75 more losses that Parker? (How could that be given that York has been coaching just one more year?)

Well, Parker has had the luxury of being at BU his whole career. York inherited a mess at BC after coaching two "minor" programs in BG and Clarkson.

I don't know if Parker really cares about having more wins than York. Like I am sure he is aware of it but he doesn't seem like the type to dwell on individual accomplishments. I think he is still coaching because BU hockey has been his life for forever and like alot athletes/coaches it is tough to just step out of it all together. He obviously still loves what he is doing and knows he can still do the job after 2009. He is still a **** good coach and certainly has a team assuming no mass early exits after this season that can make a run at the NC next year. Hell, I am a homer but I think if we get in this year we got a shot at getting hot and making a run to the FF.

Ya, if you make the tourney, you have a shot. Anyway, I would say that on paper, BU should be a definite NCAA team next year.

As for Parker/York, sure, both would love to be #1 in wins. But, more than that, I think they just love what they do. They love their schools and they love trying to be the best. Part of that is going head-to-head with the other and trying to be better.

As Herb Brooks said "I'm not talking about the best players, I'm talking about the right ones".

This is a great line. It's all about assembling the right mix and developing them as a team.

Heck, if you want to go more recent, I don't particularly agree with benching Warsofsky.

You're the first person I've seen say this. Kudos. I thought there would be more conversation on this, but oh well. Looks like mookie is calling for him to sit tonight

So it seems as if we have established that BU has been somewhere in the 7th to 5th best team of the decade... and there is talk that we want to run the coaching staff out of town?!?! Doesn't this seem like an overreaction to an ugly beanpot consolation game (magnified by the fact that our friends up the road have had a decade of historic proportion?)

Nobody jump off the cliff... its going to be all right everyone....

There's no right answer here. BU is harder to judge than those other programs because they had one truly great year surrounded by sub-par performance (for BU standards).

 

[Federal League]

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Can you ask JP for his opinion? Or does he decline to comment on NHL topics?

I'm sure he'll comment. It'll probably have to wait until Thursday after practice, though. Usually everyone -- reporters, coaches and players alike -- prefers to stick to game discussion after games.

 

[Redd10]

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fed, have you heard anything regarding who, if anyone, is getting benched tonight? he seemed really ****ed at both megan and chiasson, especially towards the end of that presser (as has been noted previously)

 

[Federal League]

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fed, have you heard anything regarding who, if anyone, is getting benched tonight? he seemed really ****ed at both megan and chiasson, especially towards the end of that presser (as has been noted previously)

Nah, we'll have the lines up on the live blog when we get there. Leaving Boston now.

 

[25 N Countin']

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You're the first person I've seen say this. Kudos. I thought there would be more conversation on this, but oh well. Looks like mookie is calling for him to sit tonight

I definitely agreed with that decision. warsofsky has the talent to be possibly the best defenseman in college hockey, and he's been playing at a level far below. He's been less dangerous rushing the puck this year than he was last year and much more prone to turnovers, whether it's coughing up the puck or making some truly terrible passes and decisions. He's too good and too smart of a player to do sotuff like that at this point of his career and I had no problem with Jack sending him that message.

There's no right answer here. BU is harder to judge than those other programs because they had one truly great year surrounded by sub-par performance (for BU standards).

I think what makes it even harder is how good that team really was. I'm obviously biased, but I can't recall seeing a better team in the 10 years I've been closely watching college hockey. They played a lot of good teams in 09 and for the most part, they beat them handily outside of the late-season games against Hockey East teams and the National Championship game. I'd take that BU team confidently against any of the other national champs since 2001. With that said, that high was only reached once, and we haven't been even remotely close to hitting it consistently in that time.

 

[mookie1995]

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Megan got the mother hen treatment before he went to the box (JP, both hands on hips, torso bobbing back and forth as he yelled).

I tend to give a pass to mistakes made because you care more than dumb lazy stuff. Forgetting the play that Hbd pc their goal. Warsofsky twice did the "turn blind slapped" right out of employee #6's playbook. Nothing worse than those. No care, blocked, and leads to rushes the other way.

 

[J.D.]

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I definitely agreed with that decision. warsofsky has the talent to be possibly the best defenseman in college hockey, and he's been playing at a level far below. He's been less dangerous rushing the puck this year than he was last year and much more prone to turnovers, whether it's coughing up the puck or making some truly terrible passes and decisions. He's too good and too smart of a player to do sotuff like that at this point of his career and I had no problem with Jack sending him that message.

He's obviously one of the most dangerous offensive d-men in college hockey. I just haven't seen the defensive development. Anyway, I was more or less questioning Parker benching him the game after losing to BC in the Beanpot. I took that as something must have happened in that game to push Parker over the edge (I have to believe it was letting Samuelsson get in behind him for the breakaway at the end of regulation).

I think what makes it even harder is how good that team really was. I'm obviously biased, but I can't recall seeing a better team in the 10 years I've been closely watching college hockey. They played a lot of good teams in 09 and for the most part, they beat them handily outside of the late-season games against Hockey East teams and the National Championship game. I'd take that BU team confidently against any of the other national champs since 2001. With that said, that high was only reached once, and we haven't been even remotely close to hitting it consistently in that time.

Besides Ohio State, BU really "struggled" with the other three opponents. Yes, I know two were well known HE opponents, but still...

I don't know where they rank, but it's not like they steamrolled their way to a league title or national title. Record wise, they are certainly right up there. That BU team against last year's BC team would have been pretty fun (or this BC team I suppose).

 

[sterlippo1]

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Besides Ohio State, BU really "struggled" with the other three opponents. Yes, I know two were well known HE opponents, but still...

I don't know where they rank, but it's not like they steamrolled their way to a league title or national title. Record wise, they are certainly right up there. That BU team against last year's BC team would have been pretty fun (or this BC team I suppose).

and they struggled in the HE playoffs as well. as i had said previously on the BC thread, they were so good that even their B game was enough, but yeah, i agree, in the last 10 years i'd say thay were the most dominant start to finish

 

[J.D.]

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fed, have you heard anything regarding who, if anyone, is getting benched tonight? he seemed really ****ed at both megan and chiasson, especially towards the end of that presser (as has been noted previously)

good call

no chiasson

 

[ericredaxe]

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Phew...

4 point weekend that we needed. Millan gets a shutout..

From the radio broadcast, it sounded as if Gilroy played pretty well... (They sure mentioned his name a lot with the puck etc)... anyone see the game who can comment?

 

[mookie1995]

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alright... #17 BU wins.

western and dartmouth lose...and BU.. falls into a tie at 17 with still playing colorado college..

luckily we have a chance to get precious rpi points next weekend with vermont

bonus luck - BB is playing against the gophs tonight... he just gave up one to let minny tie at 2!

 

[Terrier520]

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Besides Ohio State, BU really "struggled" with the other three opponents. Yes, I know two were well known HE opponents, but still...

I don't know where they rank, but it's not like they steamrolled their way to a league title or national title. Record wise, they are certainly right up there. That BU team against last year's BC team would have been pretty fun (or this BC team I suppose).

I think it's hard to NOT talk about familiarity about that BU team. UNH and Vermont were two excellent teams that year. Vermont had an excellent Neutral Zone trap, and a great forward (forget his name). UNH meanwhile had a few excellent lines, played great defense, and had a great goaltending showdown (I still contend that the UNH-BU Manchester game was one of the top 3 games of the season, pure hockey-wise). UNH played a near-flawless game.

But the thing that gets whitewashed in that 09 season was how BU was above average at being able to play down to opponents. Many a game did they come out flat, spot a led, and come back. I'm thining of the Miami game where their 25% pp rate on the season was still sleepwalking.

I'll agree with you J.D. and say that if BU doesn't make the tournament next year (and I'd go so far as to say win at least one game in the tournament), I'd be on the "Parker, retire" bandwagon.

 

[Redd10]

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i'm a novice with this pairwise business, but can somebody explain to me how we can have a better win % and a better rpi than western michigan and yet they are ahead of us? i know there's that whole thing about tuc but i thought that was factored into rpi

 

[BU Fan 84]

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i'm a novice with this pairwise business, but can somebody explain to me how we can have a better win % and a better rpi than western michigan and yet they are ahead of us? i know there's that whole thing about tuc but i thought that was factored into rpi

Here is an explanation of how the PWR works. http://www.uscho.com/faq/pairwise-rankings-explanation/ The quickest explanation is that straight win % isn't even a factor in the rankings (though it is a portion of the RPI calculation) and the RPI is only one of four factors. Head-to-head record between the two teams under comparison, record against common opponents and record against TUCs are compared, as well. W Michigan wins one more of these pairs against another team than BU does, so they are ranked above us. While BU wins the comparison with W Michigan, W Michigan won their comparison with Union because they were 2-0 against Union and W Michigan won their comparison with Dartmouth because WM's record against common opponents is better (thanks to the 2-0 record against Union) and their record against TUCs is better. Meanwhile, BU lost the pairs with Union and Dartmouth. Thus, WM is ranked one above us. For now.

 

[slurpees]

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This guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3oPXCv-O4w was by far the highlight of the night.

 

[FiveHole12]

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I think what makes it even harder is how good that team really was. I'm obviously biased, but I can't recall seeing a better team in the 10 years I've been closely watching college hockey. They played a lot of good teams in 09 and for the most part, they beat them handily outside of the late-season games against Hockey East teams and the National Championship game. I'd take that BU team confidently against any of the other national champs since 2001.

Chuh, right. In '08 Nate Gerbe woulda broke Wilsons wrist, broke Gilroys thumb and broken BU's back while slashing his way to the NC. Your boys wouldn't have stood a chance against Nate. The fanboys would still be crying.

 

[mookie1995]

Chuh, right. In '08 Nate Gerbe woulda broke Wilsons wrist, broke Gilroys thumb and broken BU's back while slashing his way to the NC. Your boys wouldn't have stood a chance against Nate. The fanboys would still be crying.

This would be funny if it wasnt truuuuuuuuue!!!