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Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

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It sounds to me that instead of confronting the 118 issue, we are just pumping up 108 to compensate. it is great that 108 has become such a big presense at games and it has really enhanced the atmosphere. trust me, there are few things i love more than a "goalie-sieve" call and response. that doesnt change the fact that the experience in 118 is not what it was a few years ago. i have had people come up to me on multiple occassions and tell me this. like tommynoble, ive had people that i do not know ask me who the leader is. perhaps some of us were spoiled by very strong and vocal leaders. i think that there are always improvements that can be made and this editorial gives the student section a great opportunity to try and work something new in or revamp some of the older traditions that have kind of weeded their way out.

that was a pretty poorly written editorial, i agree. And his example of the Beanpot was just awful. But the overall experience isnt what it was last year or the year before. So the only thing to do is take this chance to make some improvements. The team is making adjustments and has improved their game quite a bit in the last few weeks, so the student section can probably do the same.

Is the 118 experience really all that different, though? Serious question. Obviously I'm not down there any more, so I don't know the exact dynamics of what's going on now. But what you're describing really doesn't sound all that different from what the Dog Pound was like the two years I was in it. I remember frequently thinking it was unorganized. I remember even after two years, I didn't know who "the leader" was. I knew there were a few fans who were louder than most that I could've guessed were the leaders (more on this being plural in a minute), but if someone came up to me two years ago and asked me who the leader was, I wouldn't have known. Also, I remember thinking there was plenty of apathy even then. I almost always had at least a handful of people within a few seats of me who would barely make a peep all game.

But back to the leader. Why does there have to be a leader, singular? I think the biggest thing 118 had going for it when I was there was that there were about 10 people who were very vocal and would start chants at any time. If 118 is relying on just one person to start chants now, then that's a whole separate issue. Again, I don't want to make excuses for this one person because I'm sure he could be better at what he does, but it seems to me that it would be better for everyone if he had some help. Maybe he needs to do a better job of recruiting help. Like I said, I have no idea what the dynamics are. But if 118's relying on one person, then I think that's the root of the problem right there.

BTW, that was a column, not an editorial. An editorial is written anonymously by the paper's editorial board. /Journalistic correctness
 
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Great game Monday night, I thought that for bigger parts of the game BU outplayed BC. But as far as the beanpot goes, I think that it is good that BU won't win it this year. In the beanpot BC is the lesser of two evils, no whopefully NU can pull this game out and make the beanpot interesting again.

Actual hockey talk? There is a very serious discussion about BU's student sections going on. :rolleyes: Totally agree with your statement though. BU played very well against BC and they've been getting better every time they play them. If BU happens to play them again this year I definitely see BU winning.

As for student sections, get over it. The fans come back every year. People have a good time. That's all that really matters. We'd have to hit Providence level lows for a couple years to have empty student sections. Even then that might make the student section more witty and vocal as the casual fans filter out.
 
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Actual hockey talk? There is a very serious discussion about BU's student sections going on. :rolleyes: Totally agree with your statement though. BU played very well against BC and they've been getting better every time they play them. If BU happens to play them again this year I definitely see BU winning.
Yea, I don't know about definitely winning. The most glaring difference between BU and BC has been the PP and PK. BU's power play looks horrendous (and has done so pretty consistently over the past decade) while BC's penalty kill looked very, very good. I don't believe that BU's PP woes will be corrected any time soon.

That said, BU's 5 on 5 play over the course of the past month has demonstrated that they can skate with the best in the country. Moreover, having played well against 2 top-5 teams and taken 3 of 4 points in Orono should (rightfully) give BU fans some hope for this team going forward. Indeed, looking at the schedules, this team looks like a near-lock for home ice, with a slim chance of being an (admittedly somewhat undeserving) 2 seed in the Hockey East tournament and a very good chance of securing an at-large bid. Oddly, in the grand scheme, being a 2 seed might hurt the Terriers' chances for the NCAA as the #7 seed will almost assuredly not be a TUC.

Should BU finish the season in strong for and (at least) make it the the HE semis, they should be secure for the NCAAs, at which time really anything can happen.

As for student sections, get over it. The fans come back every year. People have a good time. That's all that really matters. We'd have to hit Providence level lows for a couple years to have empty student sections. Even then that might make the student section more witty and vocal as the casual fans filter out.

As long as there are a few people who are willing to start cheers (including new cheers) and have fun at the game, the student section will be fine. I always found hockey games most enjoyable when people start funny, original and witty cheers to get the crowd laughing as well as cheering. By the time WBA was closing, section 8 was packed and spilling over into section 9 because the fans were having such a good time. If that could be replicated in 118/108, that would be ideal. After all, nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. Further, once you enjoy the game once, you will likely come back with a friend or two, who in turn will bring a friend the following week (etc.).

A good leader (and there can be more than one) will focus on being loud and amusing. Make fun of the players and get people laughing and original but witty (and simple) cheers will get people to join in. However, as someone below noted, sometimes it will take weeks for a new cheer to catch on. Get your group of 3-5 people to start it one week and then repeat it for many weeks thereafter (while sitting in the same spot). The people around you will join in (if its worthy) and then it spreads. The problem with student sections is that no one wants to be "that guy" who started a cheer in which no one participates. If you get a core group to start, others will begin to follow.
 
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actual hockey talk? There is a very serious discussion about bu's student sections going on. :rolleyes: Totally agree with your statement though. Bu played very well against bc and they've been getting better every time they play them. If bu happens to play them again this year i definitely see bu winning.

lol.
 
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Interrupting the student section discussion and back and forth idiocy

Hmm caught up on reading all the posts on my phone and just got to a computer so I could respond...maybe I shouldn't;)

I'll keep it short at least. Could I do more to improve the student section? Yes. Could every student who posted? Yes. I will personally start more of the one-off chants (thats the main complaint I'm gathering besides people not recongizes leaders faces, which IMO isn't a bad thing). Can all the students who read this please do the same?

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" -Ghandi
 
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

Interrupting the student section discussion and back and forth idiocy to share a link on a great story about "The mayor of Terrier Nation." Hope you all enjoy this as much as I did.

I'm sure you've had the pleasure of meeting Elliot in person; I have. He's a wonderful person with a great soul, and it was always great seeing him around (I say that because I am the one not in Boston right now). Not a bad word about him can be said, except that people may think he's cheering for the wrong teams.
 
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Loved the story on Elliot - have to wonder at whoever posted it from the @BUAthletics twitter earlier though - they called him a Superfan! I don't think he'd like that.
 
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if anybody else has no life like me, check out this "What If" calculator for the remaining Hockey East season. What I keep coming back to is that BU really can't afford to do anything but win all 7 games (or at least win 6 and tie the 7th) if they want to stay in 3rd place, considering Merrimack will probably only lose at most two games for the rest of the season

http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=5
 
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if anybody else has no life like me, check out this "What If" calculator for the remaining Hockey East season. What I keep coming back to is that BU really can't afford to do anything but win all 7 games (or at least win 6 and tie the 7th) if they want to stay in 3rd place, considering Merrimack will probably only lose at most two games for the rest of the season

http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=5

based on your introductory phrasing, I'll just trust you;):D
 
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

if anybody else has no life like me, check out this "What If" calculator for the remaining Hockey East season. What I keep coming back to is that BU really can't afford to do anything but win all 7 games (or at least win 6 and tie the 7th) if they want to stay in 3rd place, considering Merrimack will probably only lose at most two games for the rest of the season

http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=5

I love fooling around with this. And now I hate you for getting me off track. I have a game preview to write.

ETA: More often than not, when I pick what I deem to be "realistic" results, which involves BU winning five or six of its last seven, I end up with BU fourth. Unless the Terriers completely fall on their face, I don't see them finishing lower than fourth. Most likely scenario seems to be hosting Maine in the 4-5 series. Honestly, I think that might be an easier matchup than NU anyway. Rawlings could steal a short series. Maine's goalies... not so much. And then if the top 4 all advance to the semis, BU would get UNH at the Garden instead of BC (as great as BC is, I think UNH is gonna win the regular season crown). Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out you'd rather play UNH in the postseason than BC. In conclusion, thanks again for distracting me.
 
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I love fooling around with this. And now I hate you for getting me off track. I have a game preview to write.

ETA: More often than not, when I pick what I deem to be "realistic" results, which involves BU winning five or six of its last seven, I end up with BU fourth. Unless the Terriers completely fall on their face, I don't see them finishing lower than fourth. Most likely scenario seems to be hosting Maine in the 4-5 series. Honestly, I think that might be an easier matchup than NU anyway. Rawlings could steal a short series. Maine's goalies... not so much. And then if the top 4 all advance to the semis, BU would get UNH at the Garden instead of BC (as great as BC is, I think UNH is gonna win the regular season crown). Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out you'd rather play UNH in the postseason than BC. In conclusion, thanks again for distracting me.

I agree completely. I've been running scenarios on that same site for Merrimack, and most often it's UNH and BC 1st and 2nd, BU or MC in 3rd or 4th, with Maine and NU 5th and 6th... and I keep wondering why Merrimack should even try to push for 3rd place when the booby prize for that is a series against Northeastern. I'd much rather play Maine in the first round also, and I think that I'd rather play anybody else other than BC in the semifinals. Assuming UNH does get the regular season crown, there's really not much to be said for trying to finish 3rd. You guys can have it! :)
 
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Fact: According to a rep I got from a BU fan, Limey has a BU Jersey with "BC SUCKS" embroidered on the nameplate. THAT is obsession, friend.

Fact: That jersey was a gift from someone who thought it was funny. I think its funny too.


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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

But back to the leader. Why does there have to be a leader,
... because that is the guy (or gal) who walks down to the glass and starts... "hey everybody!!!! give me a "TEEE". give me an "EEEE". "

:D
 
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

Two little details I noticed while watching the game on TV so far tonight. BU finally switched from old NikeBauer 4500 helmets to Bauer 4500 helmets. More interestingly, the paw stickers on the helmets are clearly smaller than they were even on Monday. An interesting midseason switch.
 
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puckstar's 08-09 red third sweater (with "SC" and HE 25th patches) was auctioned on ebay last saturday. went for $285.
 
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