Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

[TommyNoblesIsLife]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Yeah, if Higgins and Wilson can't cut it in the NHL, there is no way Bonino and Shattenkirk (especially Shattenkirk) will skip a year at least in the AHL. I mean, even Matty G was demoted for a few games.

I think what 3hock means to say is that this year's team is more concerned about where BU can get them after their four years than what they can do AT BU. The "will to win" is more of a "will to self-promote" and they're failing at both.

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Warsofsky picked up an assist on the US's third goal. 4-2 US right now.

 

[Gryba Dekes]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Yeah, if Higgins and Wilson can't cut it in the NHL, there is no way Bonino and Shattenkirk (especially Shattenkirk) will skip a year at least in the AHL. I mean, even Matty G was demoted for a few games.

I think what 3hock means to say is that this year's team is more concerned about where BU can get them after their four years than what they can do AT BU. The "will to win" is more of a "will to self-promote" and they're failing at both.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen how Wilson's been playing? His AHL numbers seem to indicate he's in a bit of a slump, but I have no idea how he's actually playing. Nervous about making it back to the NHL perhaps?

 

[candycanes99]

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Speaking of which, has anyone seen how Wilson's been playing? His AHL numbers seem to indicate he's in a bit of a slump, but I have no idea how he's actually playing. Nervous about making it back to the NHL perhaps?

My guess is he's still trying to adjust to the pace. He was a much better skater than scouts seemed to give him credit for, but he still wasn't speedy in open space. He has to change his style a bit for pro hockey and use his size even more to create space rather than trying to sneak the puck around and through guys.

 

[Agganis]

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As for going pro, I'll say it again- the only guys on this team that I think could make the jump after this season are Shattenkirk and Bonino, and even that depends on what they do in the second half.

I'd agree with that, however, I do believe there is a current junior on pace to graduate this summer. So if in 3 years at BU you can get a NC, a couple individual accolades, a degree, and a two way contract I don't think anyone would fault you for leaving.

Although people were frustrated with #7 leaving last year so maybe their would be complaints

Greetings from the jersey turnpike! Happy holidays!

Ironic, since a game in the near future will have a New Jersey feel.

 

[mwade]

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While he wasn't wearing it tonight, Warsofsky does have one of the As for Team USA.

 

[collegefan06]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Having been at that Merrimack game, and having gotten that quote from Parker, I sort of disagree with your assessment. When Parker says somebody "competed hard," he means the effort was there. Obviously, that's commendable on Kraus' part, and the idea that he should get a start as a "message" to the team isn't at all a bad idea. If that's all you're suggesting, then I think you're right.

That said, Millan and Rollheiser are simply on another level talent-wise, and I think if Parker and Geragosian thought Kraus could match their production, he'd have gotten his chance by now. When Kraus "competed hard" against Merrimack, he was just getting to the puck in time on a lot of 'Mack's chances, including a handful of saves after scoring chances created by his own inefficient rebound control.
As I said, getting Kraus a start in that situation as a message wouldn't be bad coaching, especially if it sparks something in Millan and/or Rollheiser. Let's just not be under the impression that Kraus should really be in competition with those guys for full-time duties -- settling for Kraus' effort while leaving Millan's or Rollheiser's talents on the bench would be a real reason to doubt Parker.

That is exactly what I was suggesting...give him a start to send a message to the team that effort will be rewarded. I think we all agree effort has been lacking at times and the coaches haven't yet been able to address that.

In terms of talent level, I haven't seen Kraus play so I can't personally compare hime to Kieran and Grant. I have to go by what Parker has said in the past that he too was in the goaltending mix. His lack of playing time must be considered so maybe Parker was just being charitable to Kraus with his comments.

Kraus may have just gotten to those pucks but I guess I'd rather have him get to them just in time for saves than let in goals as the other two did against Merrimack and Rollheiser came close to blowing what should have been a blowout win the second night.

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

While he wasn't wearing it tonight, Warsofsky does have one of the As for Team USA.

He's wearing it today. I think they're only allowed to have two A's per game, so they probably have some sort of rotation between the 3. I think Carlson was left out today.

 

[bostonewe]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Although people were frustrated with #7 leaving last year so maybe their would be complaints

After watching #7 play last night in W-B/S, IMHO he should have stayed another year.

#36 on the other hand...*sigh*. Near S.O. (Albany scored with less than 2 minutes left in the game) and truly the Baby Pens would have been shelled with a lesser goalie in net.

 

[goalguard]

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Yeah, if Higgins and Wilson can't cut it in the NHL, there is no way Bonino and Shattenkirk (especially Shattenkirk) will skip a year at least in the AHL. .

Higgins started the AHL season with a hand injury and finally got surgery about a month ago. I don't know when he's expected back.

I was under the impression that Wilson was hurt, too, though the hockey data base site has him 14 AHL games now.

As was posted earlier, Brandon Yip got his first NHL goal a week ago and now has four games under his belt.

 

[candycanes99]

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Higgins started the AHL season with a hand injury and finally got surgery about a month ago. I don't know when he's expected back.

I was under the impression that Wilson was hurt, too, though the hockey data base site has him 14 AHL games now.

As was posted earlier, Brandon Yip got his first NHL goal a week ago and now has four games under his belt.

Wilson was sent down the AHL when he returned from injury for a rehab stint, but hasn't played well enough to be recalled.

 

[new2bu]

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Wilson was sent down the AHL when he returned from injury for a rehab stint, but hasn't played well enough to be recalled.

Wilson was sent to Milwaukee because of his groin injury. Articles mentioned they were going to see how it felt, after some procedure and if it got worse he may be looking at surgery. That would explain his numbers in the AHL and I am guessing as soon as he is 100% he will be called up.
It had nothing to do with adjusting to the speed of the game. The few games with Nashville that I saw, his speed was not a problem.
As far as Shattenkirk and Bonino, I could see them both wanting to go pro, but with only one year of school left.....a little harder decision

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Wilson was sent to Milwaukee because of his groin injury....

and if there is one place to go to rest your groin, it's milwaukee

 

[observer85]

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As far as Shattenkirk and Bonino, I could see them both wanting to go pro, but with only one year of school left.....a little harder decision

It is not really that hard of a decision. School is school, you can go anytime...both will have 3 years done (or something close to that) at the end of next semester. Finishing that last year of school can be done in the summer, or doing online classes. Bonino is from Connecticut, so he could transfer his credits and finish elsewhere. Shattenkirk is from New York, he would have the same option to finish elsewhere. In my opinion, it doesn't matter where you finish your degree, it just matters that you do since you are so close.

In my mind, Bonino is more of the flight risk as he will get to sign a 2 year contract as a 22 year old player. The NHL will in the last year of their CBA next season and the NHL players are expected to extend that deadline for another year. So when a new CBA is completed, Bonino would be done with his entry level deal.

Shattenkirk is a different situation as whether he leaves after this year or after his senior year, as a 1989 birthyear, he would have 1 year remaining to become a Restricted Free Agent and that would be under a new CBA (if he leaves after this year it would need to be a 3 year contract, but a 2 year deal after his senior year since he would be a 22 year old).

 

[ericredaxe]

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It is not really that hard of a decision. School is school, you can go anytime...both will have 3 years done (or something close to that) at the end of next semester. Finishing that last year of school can be done in the summer, or doing online classes. Bonino is from Connecticut, so he could transfer his credits and finish elsewhere. Shattenkirk is from New York, he would have the same option to finish elsewhere. In my opinion, it doesn't matter where you finish your degree, it just matters that you do since you are so close.

In my mind, Bonino is more of the flight risk as he will get to sign a 2 year contract as a 22 year old player. The NHL will in the last year of their CBA next season and the NHL players are expected to extend that deadline for another year. So when a new CBA is completed, Bonino would be done with his entry level deal.

Shattenkirk is a different situation as whether he leaves after this year or after his senior year, as a 1989 birthyear, he would have 1 year remaining to become a Restricted Free Agent and that would be under a new CBA (if he leaves after this year it would need to be a 3 year contract, but a 2 year deal after his senior year since he would be a 22 year old).

Sure but all of that depends on their play for the remainder of the year. IMO, with they way they have played so far this season... there will not be any teams rushing to get them into the NHL.

 

[defkit]

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Sure but all of that depends on their play for the remainder of the year. IMO, with they way they have played so far this season... there will not be any teams rushing to get them into the NHL.

Actually, I think this could go the other way. Bonino has shown the skill level he is capable of playing with (last year, especially Frozen Four). If it is gone this year, is it all because of him? His new linemates? The coaching? Injuries? Players don't tyoically regress in terms of their raw skills, at least not at this age. If I'm the Ducks (or is it Sharks, I forget which he went from and to), if I see him perform poorly this year, I might say "we need to get him out of that situation and into our system ASAP".

 

[Federal League]

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Actually, I think this could go the other way. Bonino has shown the skill level he is capable of playing with (last year, especially Frozen Four). If it is gone this year, is it all because of him? His new linemates? The coaching? Injuries? Players don't tyoically regress in terms of their raw skills, at least not at this age. If I'm the Ducks (or is it Sharks, I forget which he went from and to), if I see him perform poorly this year, I might say "we need to get him out of that situation and into our system ASAP".

Went from the Sharks to the Ducks. There was a lot of talk after last season (like, actual talk from people in the Anaheim front office, not rumors) about pulling him out of school then. I don't think they'd hesitate at all to put him in the AHL if they weren't happy with his season this year. But, alas, that's all a long way off. The Ducks will probably make that decision almost exclusively based on what he does in the second half, and just chalk up his first-half struggles to recovering from the shoulder injury.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

After watching #7 play last night in W-B/S, IMHO he should have stayed another year.

IMO he had already developed his defensive game as fully as he could at the college level, he was already as close to a perfect NCAA defensive-defenseman as you get and the only way he could improve his defense more would be to be tested by higher quality players at the next level. Whether he left at the end of his junior year or the end of his senior year he would probably have had to spend about the same amount of time in the AHL before moving on to the NHL, if and when that happens. So while moving on from BU didn't put him in the NHL this year, it likely will put him in the NHL one year earlier than if he stayed.

The benefits I think he could have seen had he stay would have been the ability to develop the offensive side to his game, if he chose to. The ability to become a free agent this coming August and pick his team, however if he felt comfortable with the Penguins that may not have been a benefit. And if his career does not progress the way he hoped (knock on wood) I'm sure he would regret missing out on his senior year captaining the Terriers, but I'm sure he wasn't planning on failing so this probably wasn't much of a factor.

 

[collegefan06]

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Went from the Sharks to the Ducks. There was a lot of talk after last season (like, actual talk from people in the Anaheim front office, not rumors) about pulling him out of school then. I don't think they'd hesitate at all to put him in the AHL if they weren't happy with his season this year. But, alas, that's all a long way off. The Ducks will probably make that decision almost exclusively based on what he does in the second half, and just chalk up his first-half struggles to recovering from the shoulder injury.

I believe Bonino would already be gone except for the fact that the Duck's AHL afilliate went away this year dispersing their player assets to different teams where the Ducks have no control over playing time and generally managing the development of their prospects. Under these circumstances we got another year of Bonino being a Terrier.

 

[observer85]

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I believe Bonino would already be gone except for the fact that the Duck's AHL afilliate went away this year dispersing their player assets to different teams where the Ducks have no control over playing time and generally managing the development of their prospects. Under these circumstances we got another year of Bonino being a Terrier.

Probably some truth to this observation. Instead of the Ducks promoting an undrafted free agent from Bowling Green, Danny Sexton (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=99493), when injuries hit the big club, Bonino - had he been there and playing well - might have been the guy called up.

This why I think he leaves after this season, regardless of how the season finishes out for him.