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Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
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Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Ahhhhh, Hokydad invaded our thread. Fun stuff.
Look, we know you love Lyles. You said you loved him before the year started and that he would play more than we think or something to that effect (which I would say is wrong unless you assumed he would ride pine until we racked up an injury). You still love him. And now you gave us a creepy, Rogie-esque post about how ripped he is. Ok, we got it, you love him.
That being said, if he was better than Wey, he'd be playing. Plain and simple. His ice time in two years is almost exclusively because of injuries. York, of all people, does not play games and will play the best kids not the kids that are drafted (see Pineault, Adam).
Ahhhhh, Hokydad invaded our thread. Fun stuff.
Look, we know you love Lyles. You said you loved him before the year started and that he would play more than we think or something to that effect (which I would say is wrong unless you assumed he would ride pine until we racked up an injury). You still love him. And now you gave us a creepy, Rogie-esque post about how ripped he is. Ok, we got it, you love him.
That being said, if he was better than Wey, he'd be playing. Plain and simple. His ice time in two years is almost exclusively because of injuries. York, of all people, does not play games and will play the best kids not the kids that are drafted (see Pineault, Adam).
SteveF
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Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
i'm glad lyles will get his shot. from what i have seen he is certainly capable to play the role he is asked for. can he be a full time D-1 defensemen? i dont have a better capacity than the coaches to judge that.
you ask a coach to run the team, and you let him do that without interference. if you dont like how he coaches, you find another one.
i'll never understand what happened with Ben Lovejoy either; but you simply cannot argue with the results of the program. York has always puts the best team on the ice.
I even trust that Jerry does the right thing by each player as often as he can; but people will always fall through the cracks here and there. sometimes its sad, sometimes it isnt.
i'm glad lyles will get his shot. from what i have seen he is certainly capable to play the role he is asked for. can he be a full time D-1 defensemen? i dont have a better capacity than the coaches to judge that.
you ask a coach to run the team, and you let him do that without interference. if you dont like how he coaches, you find another one.
i'll never understand what happened with Ben Lovejoy either; but you simply cannot argue with the results of the program. York has always puts the best team on the ice.
I even trust that Jerry does the right thing by each player as often as he can; but people will always fall through the cracks here and there. sometimes its sad, sometimes it isnt.
brightonjohn
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Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Just read an article that gave me that info in USCHO Extra:
Wey sprained his MCL late in 3rd period during Jan. 15th Maine game.
York said he'll be out 3-4 weeks.
I kind of got reprimanded a little for my earlier commentary about Lyles by another member who's a big fan of his.
In any case, I feel the same way as you & share your concern.
As I mentioned earlier, I think his size limits what he can do in his own end.
But what's even more disconcerting is that our new 6th defenseman is a freshman who hasn't dressed for a single game -
tough sudden duty for Patch Alber as we head down the stretch.
AND on paper he's basically the same height & weight as Lyles.
We were kind of fortunate to get the defensive windfall we got so far in '10.
- Shea coming into his own & improving his game over '09
- 3 freshman in Samuelsson, Dumoulin, & Wey all instantly filling in for the '09 departures without any growing pains while playing good, effective D.
I just hope these injuries don't push us to our fortune limit.
I really want to win Hockey East this year - it's attainable for us if the reinforcements can hold their own.
Man, injuries are an ultimate drag!
Just read an article that gave me that info in USCHO Extra:
Wey sprained his MCL late in 3rd period during Jan. 15th Maine game.
York said he'll be out 3-4 weeks.
I kind of got reprimanded a little for my earlier commentary about Lyles by another member who's a big fan of his.
In any case, I feel the same way as you & share your concern.
As I mentioned earlier, I think his size limits what he can do in his own end.
But what's even more disconcerting is that our new 6th defenseman is a freshman who hasn't dressed for a single game -
tough sudden duty for Patch Alber as we head down the stretch.
AND on paper he's basically the same height & weight as Lyles.
We were kind of fortunate to get the defensive windfall we got so far in '10.
- Shea coming into his own & improving his game over '09
- 3 freshman in Samuelsson, Dumoulin, & Wey all instantly filling in for the '09 departures without any growing pains while playing good, effective D.
I just hope these injuries don't push us to our fortune limit.
I really want to win Hockey East this year - it's attainable for us if the reinforcements can hold their own.
Man, injuries are an ultimate drag!
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Look, I like Lyles as well and think that if given ice time, he will prove to be coachable. We have to keep in mind that he's still only played nine games at this level. In those games, he has two assists and is a +3 with 10 PIMs.
He is a great skater and has the ability to start a play up the ice. There is always a place for someone his size in college hockey. The question will be can he play a controlled, consistent game. We'll find out. I haven't seen anything out there that hints at him not being coachable either. I look forward to seeing him play.
Look, I like Lyles as well and think that if given ice time, he will prove to be coachable. We have to keep in mind that he's still only played nine games at this level. In those games, he has two assists and is a +3 with 10 PIMs.
He is a great skater and has the ability to start a play up the ice. There is always a place for someone his size in college hockey. The question will be can he play a controlled, consistent game. We'll find out. I haven't seen anything out there that hints at him not being coachable either. I look forward to seeing him play.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Just to be clear, Wey injured his hand/wrist. Cross has a knee injury. The depth chart in terms of experience:
Sneep (R)
Shea (R)
Dumoulin (L)
Samuelsson (L)
Lyles (R)
Alber (R)
D pairings in last game:
Samuelsson-Shea
Dumoulin-Sneep
Cross-Lyles
So, what do you do? Put Alber with Lyles to start? Or mix things up? I would use my three most experienced d-men on separate pairings until the final 10 minutes of the game and see how that works.
Sneep-Alber
Samuelsson-Shea
Dumoulin-Lyles
A lot of possibilities here and a lot of inexperience.
Just to be clear, Wey injured his hand/wrist. Cross has a knee injury. The depth chart in terms of experience:
Sneep (R)
Shea (R)
Dumoulin (L)
Samuelsson (L)
Lyles (R)
Alber (R)
D pairings in last game:
Samuelsson-Shea
Dumoulin-Sneep
Cross-Lyles
So, what do you do? Put Alber with Lyles to start? Or mix things up? I would use my three most experienced d-men on separate pairings until the final 10 minutes of the game and see how that works.
Sneep-Alber
Samuelsson-Shea
Dumoulin-Lyles
A lot of possibilities here and a lot of inexperience.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Fair enough... I was only responding to him not being strong enough and getting pushed around. Hockey sense and running around might kick in on occasion but strength, speed etc is not a remote worry.
Fair enough... I was only responding to him not being strong enough and getting pushed around. Hockey sense and running around might kick in on occasion but strength, speed etc is not a remote worry.
brightonjohn
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Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Ahhhhh, Hokydad invaded our thread. Fun stuff.
No, not so fun Dude.
Hokydad didn't like some of the stuff I said, so he copied & pasted only some of my entire commentary in two of my posts. He decided to leave out a lot of stuff that further tempered anything I said negative about Lyles. The commentary ended up looking a lot tougher than it really was.
It's like he put this effort into misconstruing my commentary as a whole in order to get the chance to reprimand me & say good things about him.
He went a bit overboard I say.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Ahhhhh, Hokydad invaded our thread. Fun stuff.
No, not so fun Dude.
Hokydad didn't like some of the stuff I said, so he copied & pasted only some of my entire commentary in two of my posts. He decided to leave out a lot of stuff that further tempered anything I said negative about Lyles. The commentary ended up looking a lot tougher than it really was.
It's like he put this effort into misconstruing my commentary as a whole in order to get the chance to reprimand me & say good things about him.
He went a bit overboard I say.
I did exactly like everyone else does. I didnt see to post an entire commentary but a specific point. Anyone that wants to read the entire thing can do it in about 1 second..
I don't think you were being tough on him, simply expressing your concerns. Which is exactly what people do on these threads.
I just felt that they were unfounded and nt true and thus expressed my opinion.
brightonjohn
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Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
OK, that basically was what I was referring to when I was talking about limitations he'll have around the boards & in front of the net. Yes, physical play - getting guys out of the way and winning battles for the puck. Height matters with leverage, it's as simple as that - even if he's a tank. Nobody hopes you're right more than I do, believe me. But I at least think my concern with this is not too far-fetched.
OK, that basically was what I was referring to when I was talking about limitations he'll have around the boards & in front of the net. Yes, physical play - getting guys out of the way and winning battles for the puck. Height matters with leverage, it's as simple as that - even if he's a tank. Nobody hopes you're right more than I do, believe me. But I at least think my concern with this is not too far-fetched.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
In fairness, I went back and read the thread/post you were talking about and I clipped and posted 100% fo the content referring to him. The points about advisors or Kenny Ryan had zero to do with Lyles, I left out zero content on ML.
Lyles will be fine. I would be more concerned with Samuelson then him without Cross etc in lineup. He is not a tank, he is a very lean, fast athletic type. Very few F's in hockey east are going to knock him off a puck or win a battle etc. they might catch him on the wrong side, running around a little bit but strength, battling etc is not even remotely an issue.
At the end of the day, lets simply hope it works out for the team
In fairness, I went back and read the thread/post you were talking about and I clipped and posted 100% fo the content referring to him. The points about advisors or Kenny Ryan had zero to do with Lyles, I left out zero content on ML.
Lyles will be fine. I would be more concerned with Samuelson then him without Cross etc in lineup. He is not a tank, he is a very lean, fast athletic type. Very few F's in hockey east are going to knock him off a puck or win a battle etc. they might catch him on the wrong side, running around a little bit but strength, battling etc is not even remotely an issue.
At the end of the day, lets simply hope it works out for the team
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Anyone else think this is ridiculous? I called the ticket office to ask if I could bring my cowbell into the game on friday against BU, and they said it would be confiscated. I still intend on bringing it anyway... but the point is what is happening to this world? When I tried to bring it to a New York Islanders game back home, they told me I couldnt bring it in because it was "too loud". What is going on here that you cant make noise at a hockey game?!
Anyone else think this is ridiculous? I called the ticket office to ask if I could bring my cowbell into the game on friday against BU, and they said it would be confiscated. I still intend on bringing it anyway... but the point is what is happening to this world? When I tried to bring it to a New York Islanders game back home, they told me I couldnt bring it in because it was "too loud". What is going on here that you cant make noise at a hockey game?!
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Generally speaking, noisemakers are banned in many leagues across most of, if not all, sports.
Try clapping and yelling if you want to make noise.
ps - if you really want to be a good fan, wear a hockey jersey and be sure to put on lots of sparkly face paint. I read here that it makes a huge difference between being a bad fan and ZOMG the greatest fans evah in the whole wide world. So it must be true.
Generally speaking, noisemakers are banned in many leagues across most of, if not all, sports.
Try clapping and yelling if you want to make noise.
ps - if you really want to be a good fan, wear a hockey jersey and be sure to put on lots of sparkly face paint. I read here that it makes a huge difference between being a bad fan and ZOMG the greatest fans evah in the whole wide world. So it must be true.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
well anyone at the BC hockey games will back me up when i say im the loudest guy in the BC student section at every game. Im leading the chants with the yelling and clapping, but the cowbell is an integral part of the sieve chant after every bc goal. the pep band used to use the cowbell to keep the beat for students, but the HE says the band cant lead any cheers that disparage the other team. now we are left with no one to lead the goal chant, and the result is a disunified mash up where both student sections and sometimes even within the student section, people are not syncing up with each other's chants. I do wear a hockey jersey, however i do not wear sparkly face paint (I noticed the sarcasm) to the games. Its just a shame they wont let one kid add to the home field advantage. its not like im gonna be banging it the whole game. just after goals. we'll see what happens friday
well anyone at the BC hockey games will back me up when i say im the loudest guy in the BC student section at every game. Im leading the chants with the yelling and clapping, but the cowbell is an integral part of the sieve chant after every bc goal. the pep band used to use the cowbell to keep the beat for students, but the HE says the band cant lead any cheers that disparage the other team. now we are left with no one to lead the goal chant, and the result is a disunified mash up where both student sections and sometimes even within the student section, people are not syncing up with each other's chants. I do wear a hockey jersey, however i do not wear sparkly face paint (I noticed the sarcasm) to the games. Its just a shame they wont let one kid add to the home field advantage. its not like im gonna be banging it the whole game. just after goals. we'll see what happens friday
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
NCAA rules are explained pretty well in this post.
NCAA bans using them during play, many arenas find it easier to ban the noisemakers than make sure they are only used during stoppages.
NCAA rules are explained pretty well in this post.
NCAA bans using them during play, many arenas find it easier to ban the noisemakers than make sure they are only used during stoppages.
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Good post. I'm glad I can at least figure out where the school is coming from with its prohibition on the cowbell. Still, I have a fever...
Good post. I'm glad I can at least figure out where the school is coming from with its prohibition on the cowbell. Still, I have a fever...
joegrav
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Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
Your first mistake was asking BC for permission... they'll never grant you permission to do anything, you just need to do what you want but err on the conservative side (i.e., hide your cowbell and only bring it out to play the 'sieve' chant).
Anyway, I hear rumors that BC's crackdown on noisemakers at games, which cranked up early last year, was actually a request from Jerry York, who thinks the sound of bells during the game is annoying - he'd rather have people just yell louder. If that's the case, I'm all for cracking down. Cowbells are kind of annoying anyway, I only liked them because they got BC's normally sleepy fans into the game.
Yell until your voice is gone, that should work better.
Your first mistake was asking BC for permission... they'll never grant you permission to do anything, you just need to do what you want but err on the conservative side (i.e., hide your cowbell and only bring it out to play the 'sieve' chant).
Anyway, I hear rumors that BC's crackdown on noisemakers at games, which cranked up early last year, was actually a request from Jerry York, who thinks the sound of bells during the game is annoying - he'd rather have people just yell louder. If that's the case, I'm all for cracking down. Cowbells are kind of annoying anyway, I only liked them because they got BC's normally sleepy fans into the game.
Yell until your voice is gone, that should work better.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Boston College Hockey 2009-2010
I agree with Tom on one thing though, it's hard to do a goal chant without the cowbell... I don't personally like yelling "DUT DUT DUT DUTTUT DUT DUTTUT DUT DUT DUT DUT DUTTUT! ...SIEVE!"
I agree with Tom on one thing though, it's hard to do a goal chant without the cowbell... I don't personally like yelling "DUT DUT DUT DUTTUT DUT DUTTUT DUT DUT DUT DUT DUTTUT! ...SIEVE!"
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