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Boston College Eagles 2017-2108 Season Thread

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FiveHole12 said:
Love this team. Good old fashioned fundamental hockey. Not boring at all to this fan. :)
What's your take CC?
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They play hard no doubt. And they've been more successful since the schedule became more reasonable. But they've dug a big hole for themselves with their poor non-league record, which will just kill them in the Pairwise. However, none of that changes the fact that there is not one forward on this team that makes the other team take notice of them and plan for them. Tolvanen would have been that guy, but fate intervened. If you were to go back from the beginning of York's tenure at BC and make a list of forwards they've had who are better than any forward on this year's team, how long would that list be?

The comeback after the slow start has been nice to see, but this team's ceiling is limited. Maybe I'm just spoiled after the past two decades, but a hardworking team that may or may not eke out a tournament berth is not what I consider a successful season. BC has become accustomed to shooting higher than that.
 
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Not having Tolvanen has hurt us tremendously this year, especially considering his torrid scoring pace in the KHL right now. He might've been the best/most talented player in college hockey this year. On a different note, it's interesting that our first three lines have been almost equal in terms of offensive production.

Cotton - Mattila - Tortora 28 points
Grando - Rasanen - Hutsko 29 points
McPhee - Brown - Dudek 25 points
Carreau - Greco - Booth 3 points

Next year will be interesting because we won't have anywhere near as bad of a fourth line. Giles, McBain, and Bouquot will easily push Carreau, Greco, and Booth out of the lineup. That doesn't even factor in Walsh, McLaughlin, or Martan.
 
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Do you think it's possible that BC defers a couple of kids next season? I'd read that Walsh and McLaughlin have been injured. Also, Heisenberg has Bouquot as a '19 or '20 arrival. Not losing any forwards and having 6 forwards (McBain, Martan, Giles, Graham, Walsh, McLaughlin) scheduled to come in next year, something has to give. Though I hate to see kids pushed out early, the business side of it does force things sometimes.
 
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Neither BU or BC are ranked in the USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine poll. (BC is #15 in the USCHO poll).

When was the last time that they met, and neither was ranked in a particular poll?
 
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Yeah, I think they could defer a couple of recruits, but they're still going to have a glut of forwards in the '19-'20 season. Dudek and Brown and the only forwards who will graduate after the '18-'19 season, and no other players should leave early for the pros (maybe McBain, but I think he'll come back for a second season). They will bring in Moynihan, Newhook, and Weight in the '19-'20 season. And based on the way Boldy is playing right now, I suspect he'll arrive in '19-'20 as opposed to '20-'21. So even if we delay a couple of recruits for a year, we're still going to have a lot of forwards. Honestly though, there will likely be a couple of players who will transfer out of BC. Greco, Walker, and Booth will likely never see another minute of ice time after this season is over. Merulla already isn't playing this year. Those 4 guys strike me as potential transfers after this season. Even if all four were to leave though, we're still going to have 17 forwards for the '18-'19 season and 18 forwards for the '19-'20 season. (As an aside, I already know that Joey Cassetti is no longer committed).
Anyways, here is what I have for the projected rosters. It's not perfect by any means, but it gives an indication of what the rosters might look like in the coming years.
http://file:///Users/alexsilva/Desktop/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-27%20at%2010.27.11%20PM.jpg
 
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Yeah, I think they could defer a couple of recruits, but they're still going to have a glut of forwards in the '19-'20 season. Dudek and Brown and the only forwards who will graduate after the '18-'19 season, and no other players should leave early for the pros (maybe McBain, but I think he'll come back for a second season). They will bring in Moynihan, Newhook, and Weight in the '19-'20 season. And based on the way Boldy is playing right now, I suspect he'll arrive in '19-'20 as opposed to '20-'21. So even if we delay a couple of recruits for a year, we're still going to have a lot of forwards. Honestly though, there will likely be a couple of players who will transfer out of BC. Greco, Walker, and Booth will likely never see another minute of ice time after this season is over. Merulla already isn't playing this year. Those 4 guys strike me as potential transfers after this season. Even if all four were to leave though, we're still going to have 17 forwards for the '18-'19 season and 18 forwards for the '19-'20 season. (As an aside, Joey Cassetti is no longer committed. I think the staff probably had to make some cuts and he was one).

EDIT: I may have double-posted this, but it didn't include the photo I wanted to attach. I took that part out. It was supposed to be a screenshot of the projected future rosters for BC. Hit me up on twitter (@marshmont_63) if you're interested in seeing the rosters. It's not perfect by any means, but it gives a glimpse of what the future rosters may look like.
 
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Cross Check said:
there is not one forward on this team that makes the other team take notice of them and plan for them.
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Sometimes this is a good thing. Some solid depth on this squad. Hutsko and Tortora are pretty **** good. Raasanen is also solid. This class even without Tolvanen is just what the doctor ordered assuming they stick around for 4 years. Which is what we need, time to avoid the mercs and greasebags (Milano).
 
Nick Papagiorgio said:
BTW does this weekend feel like one big trap or what?
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3 points is great and anything more is gravy. But they need to play like they did against NU to get points.

A split is acceptable but hoping for more. BU is an up and down team this year and hopefully BC can catch them at the right time 🔥

I expect a total team effort in all 3 zones⛳️
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Sometimes this is a good thing. Some solid depth on this squad. Hutsko and Tortora are pretty **** good. Raasanen is also solid. This class even without Tolvanen is just what the doctor ordered assuming they stick around for 4 years. Which is what we need, time to avoid the mercs and greasebags (Milano).
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To truly compete at the highest level, you need both the quality four-year program guys and at least a couple of the high-end talents that you have no chance at keeping for four years. So yeah, I agree we need not the mercenaries like Milano and Bracco, who will screw you. But you need a couple of Kreiders to go along with the Mullanes, Arnolds, Gibbons, and Rooneys of this world. That's how you win championships.
 
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PPGuru said:
Do you think it's possible that BC defers a couple of kids next season? I'd read that Walsh and McLaughlin have been injured. Also, Heisenberg has Bouquot as a '19 or '20 arrival. Not losing any forwards and having 6 forwards (McBain, Martan, Giles, Graham, Walsh, McLaughlin) scheduled to come in next year, something has to give. Though I hate to see kids pushed out early, the business side of it does force things sometimes.
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Tough to say without knowing scholarship situation but I would think guys like Greco and Booth are walk-ons. There will almost certainly be some changes in regard to who shows up based on what was expected. No idea how that will shake out. If they're ok having a bigger roster with more walk-ons than usual, guess that doesn't really matter. But in terms of scholarship players, seems like there is always at least one change (Vatrano, Milano, Tolvanen, etc).

Cross Check said:
They play hard no doubt. And they've been more successful since the schedule became more reasonable. But they've dug a big hole for themselves with their poor non-league record, which will just kill them in the Pairwise. However, none of that changes the fact that there is not one forward on this team that makes the other team take notice of them and plan for them. Tolvanen would have been that guy, but fate intervened. If you were to go back from the beginning of York's tenure at BC and make a list of forwards they've had who are better than any forward on this year's team, how long would that list be?

The comeback after the slow start has been nice to see, but this team's ceiling is limited. Maybe I'm just spoiled after the past two decades, but a hardworking team that may or may not eke out a tournament berth is not what I consider a successful season. BC has become accustomed to shooting higher than that.
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I think you have to look at the season they had last year and what they were expected to do this year. Going back a couple years, they were due for a tough stretch when they lost everyone at once. It certainly looks to me like they have recovered from that pretty well. Maybe they are on the bubble this year like last year but next year they should definitely have an NCAA worthy team. And at that point you will have some balance across 4 classes.
 
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Cross Check said:
To truly compete at the highest level, you need both the quality four-year program guys and at least a couple of the high-end talents that you have no chance at keeping for four years. So yeah, I agree we need not the mercenaries like Milano and Bracco, who will screw you. But you need a couple of Kreiders to go along with the Mullanes, Arnolds, Gibbons, and Rooneys of this world. That's how you win championships.
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That's the thing though, BC kept getting 3 years out of those guys like Kreider, Hayes, Atkinson, Gaudreau. It's really a huge key to what they did for so long.
 
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I tried to post a response yesterday, PPGuru, but fsr it said a moderator needed to approve the comment. No idea why. Anyways... Yeah, I think they could defer a couple of recruits, but they're still going to have a glut of forwards in the '19-'20 season. Dudek and Brown are the only forwards who will graduate after the '18-'19 season, and no other players should leave early for the pros (maybe McBain, but I think he'll come back for a second season). The staff will bring in Moynihan, Newhook, and Weight in '19-'20. And based on the way Boldy is playing right now, I suspect he'll arrive in '19-'20 as opposed to '20-'21. So, even if we delay a couple of recruits for a year, we're still going to have a lot of forwards. Honestly, though, there will likely be a couple of players who will transfer out of BC. Greco, Walker, and Booth will likely never see another minute of ice time after this season is over. Merulla already isn't playing this year. Those four guys strike me as potential transfers. Even if all four leave, we're still going to have 17 forwards for the '18-'19 season and 18 forwards for the '19-'20 season. (As an aside, I already know that Cassetti is no longer committed.) Another interesting note is that if Hutsko and Tortora are drafted in the 2018 NHL draft as over-agers, BC could potentially have 11 drafted forwards on their team next year. And if McBain sticks around for a second season in '19-'20, it's possible BC could have 12 drafted forwards. Pretty sure that's never happened in college hockey. Obviously, that's contingent upon Tortora and Hutsko being drafted as over-agers and everyone else being drafted according to their current projections.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
That's the thing though, BC kept getting 3 years out of those guys like Kreider, Hayes, Atkinson, Gaudreau. It's really a huge key to what they did for so long.
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True. But let's not forget that a key part of the 2001 breakthrough was a one and done (Kobasew). Your point stands though. They did do a remarkably good job of keeping guys three years, where other teams would have lost them after one or two. But my point stands as well that you need some top tier talent to win it all.
 
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Also I believe neither game is on TV- When did that last happen
Hockey east really dropped the ball on TV exposure this year
The only games on TV are those that some teams like Merrimack bought the air time
 
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Peter Reynolds just committed to BC. He's an '03 forward from New Brunswick, Canada, who's currently playing for Shattuck-St Mary's. This is our first '03-born recruit. I feel old :(
 
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