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Bill Beaney
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Old Rook NU'66
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Re: Bill Beaney
I don’t mean to challenge what others have said…but I have been trying to follow this dialog regarding Bill Beaney and why he chose to step down.
One person added to this thread….]“Middlebury is still a great school, but for not for hockey players. Not any longer. The glory days are over, and have been over.”[/I] Meanwhile another said….. “It's a shift in the schools philosophy. The entire athletic program is down and will continue to head in that direction. The school has made a decision that athletics aren't a priority.”
I was especially struck by those remarks about Middlebury placing less emphasis on hockey. Would someone please tell that to Middlebury's #3 ranked women's team before they meet our #4 ranked Norwich women's club this weekend in the first round of the NCAA Championship? Forget it....but I think I need more convincing.
When Beaney tossed in the towel—why was anyone surprised given the hassle that he and the team went through last year based on a player’s lawsuit for not attending an Alumni fund raising dinner and the kid's subsequent and immediate dismissal from the team?
Midst all the “Fire Beaney” threads that followed my curiosity led me to many of the legal depositions. And honestly, the legal briefs were about as easy to follow as the NCAA criteria and selection process for Pool B and C teams for the DIII Championship. (both very messy).
But I realized that for Bill to resign then would not have bode well for the team, for Middlebury or even Bill--but I'll bet that is when he made up his mind. Even now, I am not sure the case has been settled (nor do I care). But when Bill did let go recently—- I recalled my own magazine career and the day I woke up realizing I don’t need the hassle anymore. I believe more than anything that Bill Beaney was worn out by the very competitive demands of coaching, recruiting and all the ancillary BS with parents, alum and yes admissions. He has all the accolades he could possible earn—so for anyone with God's good sense-- I am sure Bill saw it as a time for new challenges.
But maybe I am wrong. And maybe it really is all about less emphasis being placed on Panther Hockey.
If that is true, then someone best tell Bill Mandigo the Middlebury Women coach he is trying to hard. In the last five years he has gone 101-25-13, is five for five in winning the NESCAS Regular Season Championship, two-for-five in League Tournaments and has gotten his teams into four of the last five in NCAA Championship tournaments—including this year.
What’s he doing that the men aren’t able to do, e.g. is he just able to attract smart women majoring in French poetry— who happen to play DIII championship level hockey? As for the entire NESCAC having a higher standard for student athletes—I am sure they do but again are women NESCAC hockey players just better students then the guys. I mean after all three out of the ten women’s DIII teams on the current USCHOL poll from the NESCAC.
I alluded earlier to a coach’s challenge in a very competitive talent pool. Three years ago, I sat next to a parent of a superb Norwich player, who had attended a excellent prep school. And now after NU he was headed to grad school in a challenging technical discipline. But what shocked me was his Dad telling me the kid had been recruited by Beaney for Middlebury but opted for McShane’s program at Norwich.That speaks volumes about the competition for talent going on in DIII.
Personally, Bill Beaney has given a lot to the sport and his school. Neither Bill or Middlebury need to explain anything. Personally, I don’t see Middlebury willing to put out a second rate product at any level be a student majoring in French poetry or some kid who came to Middlebury because he happens to play hockey well. What’s more I happen to believe that there are kids out there who can actually walk and chew gum at the same time--and Middlebury hockey will always be a dangerous opponent. Think other wise and you do at your own peril. Good luck Bill and thanks for some great games.
I don’t mean to challenge what others have said…but I have been trying to follow this dialog regarding Bill Beaney and why he chose to step down.
One person added to this thread….]“Middlebury is still a great school, but for not for hockey players. Not any longer. The glory days are over, and have been over.”[/I] Meanwhile another said….. “It's a shift in the schools philosophy. The entire athletic program is down and will continue to head in that direction. The school has made a decision that athletics aren't a priority.”
I was especially struck by those remarks about Middlebury placing less emphasis on hockey. Would someone please tell that to Middlebury's #3 ranked women's team before they meet our #4 ranked Norwich women's club this weekend in the first round of the NCAA Championship? Forget it....but I think I need more convincing.
When Beaney tossed in the towel—why was anyone surprised given the hassle that he and the team went through last year based on a player’s lawsuit for not attending an Alumni fund raising dinner and the kid's subsequent and immediate dismissal from the team?
Midst all the “Fire Beaney” threads that followed my curiosity led me to many of the legal depositions. And honestly, the legal briefs were about as easy to follow as the NCAA criteria and selection process for Pool B and C teams for the DIII Championship. (both very messy).
But I realized that for Bill to resign then would not have bode well for the team, for Middlebury or even Bill--but I'll bet that is when he made up his mind. Even now, I am not sure the case has been settled (nor do I care). But when Bill did let go recently—- I recalled my own magazine career and the day I woke up realizing I don’t need the hassle anymore. I believe more than anything that Bill Beaney was worn out by the very competitive demands of coaching, recruiting and all the ancillary BS with parents, alum and yes admissions. He has all the accolades he could possible earn—so for anyone with God's good sense-- I am sure Bill saw it as a time for new challenges.
But maybe I am wrong. And maybe it really is all about less emphasis being placed on Panther Hockey.
If that is true, then someone best tell Bill Mandigo the Middlebury Women coach he is trying to hard. In the last five years he has gone 101-25-13, is five for five in winning the NESCAS Regular Season Championship, two-for-five in League Tournaments and has gotten his teams into four of the last five in NCAA Championship tournaments—including this year.
What’s he doing that the men aren’t able to do, e.g. is he just able to attract smart women majoring in French poetry— who happen to play DIII championship level hockey? As for the entire NESCAC having a higher standard for student athletes—I am sure they do but again are women NESCAC hockey players just better students then the guys. I mean after all three out of the ten women’s DIII teams on the current USCHOL poll from the NESCAC.
I alluded earlier to a coach’s challenge in a very competitive talent pool. Three years ago, I sat next to a parent of a superb Norwich player, who had attended a excellent prep school. And now after NU he was headed to grad school in a challenging technical discipline. But what shocked me was his Dad telling me the kid had been recruited by Beaney for Middlebury but opted for McShane’s program at Norwich.That speaks volumes about the competition for talent going on in DIII.
Personally, Bill Beaney has given a lot to the sport and his school. Neither Bill or Middlebury need to explain anything. Personally, I don’t see Middlebury willing to put out a second rate product at any level be a student majoring in French poetry or some kid who came to Middlebury because he happens to play hockey well. What’s more I happen to believe that there are kids out there who can actually walk and chew gum at the same time--and Middlebury hockey will always be a dangerous opponent. Think other wise and you do at your own peril. Good luck Bill and thanks for some great games.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Bill Beaney
Well written, and with lots of perspective. I agree that Middlebury hockey has a history of greatness, and I also agree that Bill Beaney did some incredibly great things for the program and the sport. However, a lot has changed, and you've helped to illustrate my point, Old Rook NU'66. There is a lot of competition for talent going on in DIII, yet in very recent years, recruits are steering clear of Middlebury and making a better choice, to fine schools where players aren't quitting and transferring. The talent is vast, so the best place for bright, talented players is going to be a place where they can play, enjoy the sport of hockey, make a run at a championship, and get a great education. That is no longer Middlebury College. Even with a great facility, a great town and fans, and a great school, Middlebury has lost recently. It's with everything Middlebury has to offer, and with any hope of attracting players who can make a significant contribution on and off the ice, that I believe that Middlebury will find an outstanding coach to take over. Middlebury is better than the losing record and the seventh place finish that they had. And frankly, I'd bet that there are several great candidates who would like to be Beaney's successor.
I don’t mean to challenge what others have said…but I have been trying to follow this dialog regarding Bill Beaney and why he chose to step down..
Well written, and with lots of perspective. I agree that Middlebury hockey has a history of greatness, and I also agree that Bill Beaney did some incredibly great things for the program and the sport. However, a lot has changed, and you've helped to illustrate my point, Old Rook NU'66. There is a lot of competition for talent going on in DIII, yet in very recent years, recruits are steering clear of Middlebury and making a better choice, to fine schools where players aren't quitting and transferring. The talent is vast, so the best place for bright, talented players is going to be a place where they can play, enjoy the sport of hockey, make a run at a championship, and get a great education. That is no longer Middlebury College. Even with a great facility, a great town and fans, and a great school, Middlebury has lost recently. It's with everything Middlebury has to offer, and with any hope of attracting players who can make a significant contribution on and off the ice, that I believe that Middlebury will find an outstanding coach to take over. Middlebury is better than the losing record and the seventh place finish that they had. And frankly, I'd bet that there are several great candidates who would like to be Beaney's successor.
CROSBYNU63
GO CADETS
Re: Bill Beaney
I sure there is a long list of candidates for the job, but Middlebury has to make a commitment to the hockey program as they once did, two years ago I was talking to coach Beaney at the PrimeLink and he said, referring to his team, "I am fishing from a different pond". Point being it is not all coaches fault for the state of Middlebury hockey.
I sure there is a long list of candidates for the job, but Middlebury has to make a commitment to the hockey program as they once did, two years ago I was talking to coach Beaney at the PrimeLink and he said, referring to his team, "I am fishing from a different pond". Point being it is not all coaches fault for the state of Middlebury hockey.
Old Rook NU'66
Registered User
Re: Bill Beaney
I am not a big fan of Division I college sports--simply because like Washington there is just too much money involved. But I do pay enough attention to see coaches come and go---as big name programs go up and down. Notre Dame football comes to mind just as I am sure there are other examples.
So like night follows day--I suppose that Middlebury hockey will go through a similar metamorphosis with its hockey program. i recall in the early '60s there was great Middlebury hockey (long before Bill Beaney)...and while the atmosphere at Middlebury may have changed during Beaney's tenure--tell me what school hasn't changed in those same 28 years since Bill arrived from his gig at NEC?
In our Division III World a $50K annual tuition at a private colleges is the norm not the exception--and as I concluded earlier-- I do not believe Middlebury--or any school for that matter— can in good conscience deliver a second rate product from any of the school's venues be a french department....engineering department... or settle on an also ran, water downed hockey program.
Will Middlebury be as successful with as many NCAA Champ trophies--not likely---not in these more competitive times. But Middlebury will be tough competitors because as Cadet Crosby has pointed out--there will be a long list of very suitable candidates for the job. And the new coach will be willing to adjust to the new realities of what Bill described to Cadet Crosby that he was now facing as a coach, e.g. “I am now fishing from a different pond.” No kidding--we all are.
I am not a big fan of Division I college sports--simply because like Washington there is just too much money involved. But I do pay enough attention to see coaches come and go---as big name programs go up and down. Notre Dame football comes to mind just as I am sure there are other examples.
So like night follows day--I suppose that Middlebury hockey will go through a similar metamorphosis with its hockey program. i recall in the early '60s there was great Middlebury hockey (long before Bill Beaney)...and while the atmosphere at Middlebury may have changed during Beaney's tenure--tell me what school hasn't changed in those same 28 years since Bill arrived from his gig at NEC?
In our Division III World a $50K annual tuition at a private colleges is the norm not the exception--and as I concluded earlier-- I do not believe Middlebury--or any school for that matter— can in good conscience deliver a second rate product from any of the school's venues be a french department....engineering department... or settle on an also ran, water downed hockey program.
Will Middlebury be as successful with as many NCAA Champ trophies--not likely---not in these more competitive times. But Middlebury will be tough competitors because as Cadet Crosby has pointed out--there will be a long list of very suitable candidates for the job. And the new coach will be willing to adjust to the new realities of what Bill described to Cadet Crosby that he was now facing as a coach, e.g. “I am now fishing from a different pond.” No kidding--we all are.
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fanofhockey1
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Re: Shoulda Coulda Woulda
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Even more little known fact: He actually accepted the Plattsburgh job but on his way to finalize it, he called the AD and said he couldn't take it.
Re: Shoulda Coulda Woulda
Even more little known fact: He actually accepted the Plattsburgh job but on his way to finalize it, he called the AD and said he couldn't take it.
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What would have happened? That's easy. Plattsburgh would not have had the NCAA violations it had since that time.
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What would have happened? That's easy. Plattsburgh would not have had the NCAA violations it had since that time.
Old Rook NU'66
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What's more Emery is still there...coaching a great program....and giving opponent's headaches. Great coach for sure.
Re: Shoulda Coulda Woulda
What's more Emery is still there...coaching a great program....and giving opponent's headaches. Great coach for sure.
I believe they were banned from the post season in the early 90's for some sort of housing violation.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Uhh no
I believe that was Lowell.
Re: Bill Beaney
They were banned from the postseason in '91, but that was pursuant to violations that occurred between '86 and '88. Neither Emery nor the vast majority of his players that season had anything to do with those. Hell, he was still playing at BC in 1986.
They were banned from the postseason in '91, but that was pursuant to violations that occurred between '86 and '88. Neither Emery nor the vast majority of his players that season had anything to do with those. Hell, he was still playing at BC in 1986.
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Yeah, for the violations that had occurred before he took over.