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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

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Some reactions to the BTHC around the NCAA D1 Men's hockey community:

Bowling Green athletics director Greg Christopher was quick to reiterate that the news does not shake Bowling Green's commitment to its hockey program.

"When we went through the process a couple of years ago, we put our stake in the ground that we were going to sponsor a strong hockey program," he said. "I'm not concerned about this news affecting the future of hockey at Bowling Green. "We're going in a great direction with Chris Bergeron as coach. We're going to be fine." "I don't like to see teams who have been in the league for a long time go away," Bergeron said. "But we've got a job to do here at Bowling Green, and this news doesn't change that. "My focus has to be to make a strong program here at Bowling Green, just as it was before this announcement."

Miami University Director of Athletics Brad Bates is not wringing his hands about what the future might hold for the Central Collegiate Hockey Association.
I think there is enough strength in this league, with the teams that will remain, that will keep this a vibrant conference, he said. The RedHawks have developed strong rivalries with all the Big Ten teams. But there is a core group of teams that will enable the CCHA to remain a very strong league as evidenced by the fact that two (Mid-American Conference) schools played for the championship last week, Bates said, referring to Miami and Western Michigan.

NMU head coach Walt Kyle has a different outlook, however, for a sport that has lost programs like Findlay in 2004 and Wayne State in 2008.

"I think it's great for college hockey that we are adding teams like the caliber of Penn State," Kyle said. "I think we've been talking about expanding college hockey for years and we want that. We can't cry when it happens. It's going to be a change. There's certainly going to be a change, but Northern is certainly committed to having a quality Division I hockey team in a quality Division I conference."

NMU Associate Athletics Director of Operations and acting Athletic Director Steve Reed said the university is committed to the CCHA and following the lead of Anastos. NMU President Les Wong echoed that sentiment, saying NMU will continue to be competitive at a national level. "Northern Michigan University is continuing to aggressively participate in conversations with fellow CCHA member institutions about the future landscape of NCAA Division I college hockey," Wong said in a prepared statement. "We are committed to play hockey competitively at the highest level possible.

Minnesota State athletic director Kevin Buisman is hopeful that a fair and balanced scheduling arrangement can be worked out between the Western Collegiate Hockey Association and the Big Ten when the latter starts its own men's hockey conference in two years. There are some concerns about not having those kinds of programs coming into your building, Buisman said. But we're still working on a possible scheduling arrangement with those schools. I'm optimistic that our schedule would not be tremendously different than it is now.

Of the 12 largest hockey crowds in the history of the Verizon Wireless Center, seven, including the top two, were games in which MSU played Minnesota or Wisconsin. The other five were games against North Dakota. This season, the largest crowd of the year saw a game against Minnesota Duluth. We'll continue to have, week in and week out, the best in college hockey here, Buisman said. There have been some good, healthy discussions among the teams remaining in the WCHA, he said.

Notre Dame hockey coach Jeff Jackson said Monday the move has been talked about for some time and was not a surprise. I think it's really been pushed by the Big Ten Network more than anything, Jackson said. It's going to have a huge impact on both the CCHA and the WCHA. In our American Hockey Coaches Association meetings this spring, I am sure there is going to be a lot of discussion about the proper direction to go. I think it's important we take a strong look at what's going to actually be the landscape of college hockey, not just the CCHA, Jackson continued. The entirety of college hockey is influenced by this.

The university's commitment is rather obvious with the new facility, he said of the Compton Family Center, where the Irish will begin playing hockey next season. I think the importance of our sport, not just on campus but nationally, is huge. Notre Dame is going to be fine. It's just a matter of how things pan out.

The decision here as far as where we go forward is really to look at all options on the table within our league, and as we look at other leagues, and to really be actively involved in the discussions, and we are doing that, Western Michigan University director of athletics Kathy Beauregard said. There really isn't anything that I can comment on or anything that's been finalized one way or another. I think everyone knew the Big Ten announcement was going to be coming out this week, and there are discussions going on within every university's campus on topics that are going to affect the (CCHA) and what we need to do to position our university to be ready for when decisions have to be made.

Nebraska-Omaha coach Dean Blais is one of the more vocal opponents to the move, telling The Associated Press on Monday that he's not sure it will be good for the programs at Minnesota and Wisconsin to leave the WCHA. We've known it's coming, but we have to look at whether it's good for hockey in general, said Blais, whose team moved from the CCHA to the WCHA this season. Is it a money-driven thing? Are you going to tell me Iowa is going to add hockey because it's a Big Ten sport now? Come on up, show me the money.

The Big Ten Conference announced Monday its intention to recommend the formation of its own hockey league, a move that could potentially help independent Alabama-Huntsville find a conference. UAH coach Chris Luongo said Monday that the Chargers will be involved in talks about new potential conferences. "We're excited things are starting to roll, since this has been on the horizon," he said. "There's going to be a lot of discussion among Division I hockey schools, and we plan on being in those." UAH has been without a conference since College Hockey America folded in 2009.

Lake Superior State coach Jim Roque viewed the announcement as positive for the sport. "I think it's good for college hockey," Roque said. "I think the Big Ten moniker's going to, obviously, provide more exposure to college hockey. I look at it this way: I'm in the water with all these schools. As the water rises, my boat rises, too.

"We don't recruit against those schools. That's not going to affect us. We're not going to lose a kid to the Big Ten league. The negative for us is, obviously, not getting those schools in our building, and I understand that part of it." But Roque said the home schedule won't be affected drastically. "Ohio State's never been a big draw for us," he said. "We've never had Wisconsin or Minnesota here. So, really, we're talking about two schools -- and we usually get one of them a year. We never get Michigan and Michigan State (at home) the same year. ... So you're talking about two home games a year, basically."

Ferris State coach Bob Daniels said the CCHA has been a strong league and will continue to be so. "I know we're committed to being a strong member, and we would look forward to continuing our rivalries with the (Big Ten) schools, just through nonconference play," Daniels said.

Michigan State athletic director Mark Hollis released a statement in support of the new Big Ten hockey league Monday. "I believe that sponsoring men's ice hockey will enhance the conference, its member institutions and college hockey," Hollis said. "Playing only 20 conference games will allow our programs to continue to play nonconference contests against in-state rivals, important tournaments like the Great Lakes Invitational and a competitive national schedule."

Ohio State coach Mark Osieck said in a statement: “Adding hockey to the Big Ten Conference helps keep the sport moving in the right direction. Having even more games on the Big Ten Network will raise awareness both of Ohio State’s program and college hockey in the United States and Canada.”

“We all knew this was coming,” Huskies coach Bob Motzko said. “It’s just that now there’s been a formal announcement, so it’s not like there’s a big reaction. Now that it’s official, I believe the dynamics of our league and scheduling will move forward. The teams in the (WCHA) are in good shape.”
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

Some reactions to the BTHC around the NCAA D1 Men's hockey community:

NMU head coach Walt Kyle has a different outlook, however, for a sport that has lost programs like Findlay in 2004 and Wayne State in 2008.

"I think it's great for college hockey that we are adding teams like the caliber of Penn State," Kyle said. "I think we've been talking about expanding college hockey for years and we want that. We can't cry when it happens. It's going to be a change. There's certainly going to be a change, but Northern is certainly committed to having a quality Division I hockey team in a quality Division I conference."

NMU Associate Athletics Director of Operations and acting Athletic Director Steve Reed said the university is committed to the CCHA and following the lead of Anastos. NMU President Les Wong echoed that sentiment, saying NMU will continue to be competitive at a national level. "Northern Michigan University is continuing to aggressively participate in conversations with fellow CCHA member institutions about the future landscape of NCAA Division I college hockey," Wong said in a prepared statement. "We are committed to play hockey competitively at the highest level possible.

Hmmm...they might want to rethink that statement.
 
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Going to lead the Badger Underground of anti-Alvarez dissidents. Topple the regime of idiocy! Protect the history and tradition of Badger Hockey!

I was actually a little surprised to hear of this movement. I didn't believe it at first but after checking in with a few wisco residents I know, it is out there. Can't speak to how powerful it will be, but fight the good fight.
 
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Notre Dame hockey coach Jeff Jackson said Monday the move has been talked about for some time and was not a surprise. I think it's really been pushed by the Big Ten Network.

This is my favorite part. This is the same network that left an in progress hockey game to go to a basketball press conference. While they did that they provided NO UPDATES to the hockey game that was in progress.

Now they're one of the main drivers of a Big 10 Hockey Conference. It's comical.
 
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I was actually a little surprised to hear of this movement. I didn't believe it at first but after checking in with a few wisco residents I know, it is out there. Can't speak to how powerful it will be, but fight the good fight.
This is what I was getting at yesterday & Gurtholfin disagreed. This whole situation has been handled poorly and they Big Ten schools have stepped in the doo-doo.

They thought this announcement would be welcomed by their fans and they wanted to get the maximum exposure by making the announcement when the most eyeballs were on college hockey during the NCAA Tournament. They would have been better off doing this during the dog days of summer after the Stanley Cup playoffs were over, when quite frankly, no one cares about hockey.

Now maybe their meetings and schedules of the B1G presidents precluded this, but its an inauspicious start. Maybe they just don't care what their fans (customers) think?
 
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

This is my favorite part. This is the same network that left an in progress hockey game to go to a basketball press conference. While they did that they provided NO UPDATES to the hockey game that was in progress.

Now they're one of the main drivers of a Big 10 Hockey Conference. It's comical.

It's comical because Jackson is wrong. Penn State is the driver of this move.

Of course the Big Ten Network is a large piece of the puzzle, but it is a symptom, not a cause. The WHCA is delightfully anachronistic in how it matches a small college like CC with big universities like Minnesota and Wisconsin, but that kind of alignment just can't survive long term. There's a reason most conferences bridge across multiple sports - the efficiencies are too great to ignore.
 
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I was actually a little surprised to hear of this movement. I didn't believe it at first but after checking in with a few wisco residents I know, it is out there. Can't speak to how powerful it will be, but fight the good fight.

And I don't think the movement is that strong. My anecdotal discussions with UW fans - both hockey die-hards and casual fans - is exactly the opposite. They welcome this.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

This is my favorite part. This is the same network that left an in progress hockey game to go to a basketball press conference. While they did that they provided NO UPDATES to the hockey game that was in progress.

Now they're one of the main drivers of a Big 10 Hockey Conference. It's comical.

Remember when Fox Sports North did the exact same thing? It was during the NCAA hockey playoff game between Denver and Boston University in 1997, and MSC (the former name of FSN) cut away from the game to show the Minnesota basketball team's plan landing at the airport! They did not show the third period and the overtime of the hockey game, just so they could show Minnesota basketball fans looking at an empty basketball court waiting for the team to get there and wave to them. Now that was comical. I hope that channel won't have the rights to show any more college hockey.

Or maybe college hockey fans will be screwed over no matter who has the rights to the games.

Reference: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9703&L=hockey-l&T=0&P=77474 and many other posts to the same list.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

Remember when Fox Sports North did the exact same thing? It was during the NCAA hockey playoff game between Denver and Boston University in 1997, and MSC (the former name of FSN) cut away from the game to show the Minnesota basketball team's plan landing at the airport! They did not show the third period and the overtime of the hockey game, just so they could show Minnesota basketball fans looking at an empty basketball court waiting for the team to get there and wave to them. Now that was comical. I hope that channel won't have the rights to show any more college hockey.

Or maybe college hockey fans will be screwed over no matter who has the rights to the games.

Reference: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9703&L=hockey-l&T=0&P=77474 and many other posts to the same list.

Awesome story, Alton. I didn't know that. I think you're right, hockey fans get screwed no matter what.

But, it's still funny. A TV network is driving the Big 10 Hockey Conference?? No one watches hockey on TV.
 
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It's comical because Jackson is wrong. Penn State is the driver of this move.

Of course the Big Ten Network is a large piece of the puzzle, but it is a symptom, not a cause. The WHCA is delightfully anachronistic in how it matches a small college like CC with big universities like Minnesota and Wisconsin, but that kind of alignment just can't survive long term. There's a reason most conferences bridge across multiple sports - the efficiencies are too great to ignore.
Naw, if anything, Penn State is more of a Jar-Jar Binks in all of this. Universally hated for being super annoying and then being used by darker forces to start the process of turning the old republic into the Galactic Empire.
 
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No one watches hockey on TV.
Many WCHA fans watch the Gophers on FS-North to see teams in the conference play even when they don't have a direct rooting interest. If the BTN is expecting similiar viewership numbers they may be in for a surprise.
 
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

This is my favorite part. This is the same network that left an in progress hockey game to go to a basketball press conference. While they did that they provided NO UPDATES to the hockey game that was in progress.

Now they're one of the main drivers of a Big 10 Hockey Conference. It's comical.

IMO, the Big Ten Network probably wasn't the main driver of the BTHC forming. The BT head office has said if their are 6 or more BT teams playing a sport they will form a league no where in the history of the Big Ten have they not had a conference of 6 or more teams not in the same conference. It has never happened.
 
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I posted this in the last thread and it probably should be seen here also.

Pioneer Press

The transition to Big Ten hockey is a natural one, said Big Ten associate commissioner Jennifer Heppel, the conference's point person on hockey. Every sport played by at least six conference schools, she pointed out, plays a Big Ten schedule.

People don't like change but this sounds like it was inevitable. I am getting closer to moving on because they are not going to change it back.:)
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

I posted this in the last thread and it probably should be seen here also.

Pioneer Press



People don't like change but this sounds like it was inevitable. I am getting closer to moving on because they are not going to change it back.:)

You needed to read that to realize they are not going to change it back? ;)

If they go ahead with the scheduling arrangement they have been discussing this changed isn't going to affect WCHA teams much at all. Obviously there could be a loss of revenue with the final five, but if UND fans keep come out in those numbers and the other Minnesota schools fans come out a little more everything should be fine.

Of course I will be believe that arrangement is going to happen when the papers are signed. nothing is set in stone and things can change in a hurry.
 
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People don't like change but this sounds like it was inevitable. I am getting closer to moving on because they are not going to change it back.:)

Agreed. It stinks, but no one is going to stop this. I am looking forward to playing Michigan and Michigan State more often. Plus, we'll finally get to beat OSU and PSU in something. Maybe.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

Some reactions to the BTHC around the NCAA D1 Men's hockey community:

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This is what I was getting at yesterday & Gurtholfin disagreed. This whole situation has been handled poorly and they Big Ten schools have stepped in the doo-doo.

They thought this announcement would be welcomed by their fans and they wanted to get the maximum exposure by making the announcement when the most eyeballs were on college hockey during the NCAA Tournament. They would have been better off doing this during the dog days of summer after the Stanley Cup playoffs were over, when quite frankly, no one cares about hockey.

Now maybe their meetings and schedules of the B1G presidents precluded this, but its an inauspicious start. Maybe they just don't care what their fans (customers) think?

I've said all along that I'm not in favor of this change. What I disagree with you on is what impact it will have on those who don't like it.

I believe there will be no noticeable impact and I believe that the vast majority of fans' support will not change at all.
 
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