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Big Ten Conference Tournament

UMBand said:
Let's run this down. Drive times to Minneapolis to XCel:

Minnesota: ~10 minutes
Wisconsin: ~5 hours
Michigan State: ~11 hours
Michigan: ~11-12 hours
Ohio State: 13 hours
Penn State: 17 hours

2 reasonable alternatives:

Chicago:
PSU: 10 hours; UM: 4 hours; MSU: 4 hours; OSU: 6 hours; Wisconsin: 3 hours; Minnesota: 7 hours

Indianapolis:
PSU: 8 hours; UM: 5 hours; MSU: 5 hours; OSU: 3 hours; Wisconsin: 6 hours; Minnesota: 10 hours

Penn State and Minnesota are always going to be the outliers, but just about evenly so in either Chicago or Indy. Everybody else is roughly about the same, give or take an hour or two. So why is Minneapolis getting this thing again?
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OSU doesn't even have fans show up to their own home games, and PSU is an unknown at this point. In a neutral market you're not going to get a consistent draw to make sense financially. Besides, forget that. Don't reward another market. Only St Paul or Detroit make sense.
 
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Brenthoven said:
1. If you want the tourney? Put in a bid.
2. The X, given its quality status at the PRO level, is more than needed at the collegiate level. That's also a plus.
3. 20K seats? Have an arena that matches that level of capacity AND have that quality.

Simple. Math. (c) Scooby
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4. Put it in a location where pretty much 20,000 Minnesota fans will buy tickets, because it's too darn far for anyone else to go?

If the plan is to rotate, whatever. I can deal with it. Yet I'll believe it when I see it. And, don't forget, this takes away revenues from home rinks for an extra home series if the entire tournament is going to move to a neutral site.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
OSU doesn't even have fans show up to their own home games, and PSU is an unknown at this point. In a neutral market you're not going to get a consistent draw to make sense financially. Besides, forget that. Don't reward another market. Only St Paul or Detroit make sense.
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Why does St. Paul make sense, besides the fact it's your market? It's close to exactly one program--yours. And, guess what, you're one of the two geographic outliers.

There are six teams in this conference. All should have a reasonable expectation of being able to attend a conference tournament.
 
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UMBand said:
4. Put it in a location where pretty much 20,000 Minnesota fans will buy tickets, because it's too darn far for anyone else to go?

If the plan is to rotate, whatever. I can deal with it. Yet I'll believe it when I see it. And, don't forget, this takes away revenues from home rinks for an extra home series if the entire tournament is going to move to a neutral site.
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If Chicago wants it? Put in a bid. Sour grapes otherwise. That's half the reason the tourney doesn't move. The X puts in the best bid, and they have the best building suited for the needs of the NCAA. What if I told you I lived in Omaha? I'd still say the same thing. It would suck a little bit more, sure, but I'd stick to my points.
 
Brenthoven said:
If Chicago wants it? Put in a bid. Sour grapes otherwise. That's half the reason the tourney doesn't move. The X puts in the best bid, and they have the best building suited for the needs of the NCAA. What if I told you I lived in Omaha? I'd still say the same thing. It would suck a little bit more, sure, but I'd stick to my points.
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And I live in Milwaukee. I'll still be there every year.
 
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UMBand said:
4. Put it in a location where pretty much 20,000 Minnesota fans will buy tickets, because it's too darn far for anyone else to go?

If the plan is to rotate, whatever. I can deal with it. Yet I'll believe it when I see it. And, don't forget, this takes away revenues from home rinks for an extra home series if the entire tournament is going to move to a neutral site.
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You had a solid argument in the other thread, leading to this I can understand the frustration. I'm sure it will rotate, I cant imagine it wont unless theres some angles I dont see.
 
UMBand said:
Why does St. Paul make sense, besides the fact it's your market? It's close to exactly one program--yours. And, guess what, you're one of the two geographic outliers.

There are six teams in this conference. All should have a reasonable expectation of being able to attend a conference tournament.
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I told you, OSU fans don't even show up to their own home games, and PSU is an unknown quantity. St Paul is close to Madison and has worked well for UW fans with the Final Five, and Minnesota obviously. Detroit would obviously be better for Michigan and Michigan State.
 
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I'd rather have it in St. Paul (gag! :p) and have the place be full than have it in Chicago or Indy and have it half empty.

I know that Detroit has been mentioned, but it seems that every time I've watched the CCHA tourney, even when MSU has been playing UM, the place looks half empty.

Go where the paying fans are.
 
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here is the up side if St Paul could hold the BTHC every year. It might help Michigan re-establish that Eveleth recruiting pipeline it had years ago. I've given up hope of any talent coming out of Calumet.
 
Gurtholfin said:
I'd rather have it in St. Paul (gag! :p) and have the place be full than have it in Chicago or Indy and have it half empty.

I know that Detroit has been mentioned, but it seems that every time I've watched the CCHA tourney, even when MSU has been playing UM, the place looks half empty.

Go where the paying fans are.
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Exactly how I feel.
 
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You know why the fans are there? Because it's five minutes from your campus. Huge surprise.
 
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Wol4ine said:
here is the up side if St Paul could hold the BTHC every year. It might help Michigan re-establish that Eveleth recruiting pipeline it had years ago. I've given up hope of any talent coming out of Calumet.
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That's because Calumet sucks. Hard.

Actually, it's more sad than anything. Drove through there last summer while on a road trip. Beautiful architecture in the churches, all for nothing nowadays.

UMBand: I road trip for hockey. Usually 2-3 trips a year now, at least 1 a year in the past, mostly not for my team. I may be on the road for the first two weeks of March for hockey, and not to see my team. If you want to see your team, you'll find a way. Unless you accept the economics of the X, go back to your corner and pout some more.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
I'm sure all of MI just cant wait for your lip service, you may get half the whioux fanbase jealous tho.
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I hate Michigan FAR more than the Sioux. Don't worry though, you guys are still tops for me!
 
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Brenthoven said:
UMBand: I road trip for hockey. Usually 2-3 trips a year now, at least 1 a year in the past, mostly not for my team. I may be on the road for the first two weeks of March for hockey, and not to see my team. If you want to see your team, you'll find a way. Unless you accept the economics of the X, go back to your corner and pout some more.
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Great for you, and pointing out pretty simple logic isn't pouting. It's no coincidence the Minnesota contingent are the ones smugly defending this.
 
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