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Big Ten Conference Tournament
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Absolutely not, just stating that I disagree
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Yes, he does.
Does he need counts if its his opinion?
Yes, he does.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Untill the first year at the X, the F5 attendance record was held by Milwaukee in 1994
1993 St. Paul* 8,848 11,319 9,281 8,832 12,457 50,737/10,147
1994 Milwaukee# 12,139 12,381 12,150 12,004 12,693 61,367/12,273
1995 St. Paul* 15,464 9,719 10,571 9,188 10,966 55,908/11,182
1996 Milwaukee# 8,978 11,429 8,401 8,958 9,538 47,304/9,406
1997 St. Paul* 9,272 9,528 14,013 9,577 14,317 56,707/11,341
1998 Milwaukee# 6,438 6,306 9,452 6,345 10,166 38,707/7,741
1999 Minneapolis^ 10,128 6,066 11,311 6,276 8,445 42,226/8,445
2000 Minneapolis^ 12,234 8,397 11,520 7,129 10,437 49,717/9,943
2001 St. Paul+ 9,966 10,375 18,409 11,299 17,563 67,612/13,522
2002 St. Paul+ 13,103 12,438 18,523 12,961 18,126 75,151/15,030
2003 St. Paul+ 14,305 12,292 17,012 12,509 16,668 72,786/14,557
2004 St. Paul+ 14,123 15,022 19,208 14,905 19,306 82,564/16,513
2005 St. Paul+ 15,583 13,132 17,794 14,730 16,507 77,746/15,549
2006 St. Paul+ 16,312 16,468 19,353 16,134 19,282 87,579/17,516
2007 St. Paul+ 16,449 17,511 19,359 16,118 19,463 88,900/17,780
2008 St. Paul+ 19,232 16,768 16,967 15,981 17,907 86,855/17,371
2009 St. Paul+ 17,611 14,722 17,729 15,254 16,749 82,065/16,413
2010 St. Paul+ 15,292 13,113 14,170 12,544 16,494 71,533/14,307
2011 St. Paul+ 13,131 12,903 15,080 ------- 16,731 57,773/14,443
These numbers tell me that the total number of packages sold is equal to about 12,000. The big question is how many of those have gone to MN and UW fans, and how many go to fans of the other WCHA schools?
Yes, Milwaukee in 1998 was a disaster, but so were the following 2 years in Minneapolis. All these number REALLY say is how important the X has been to the success of the F5 (along with having UND and UMN be winning teams)
Untill the first year at the X, the F5 attendance record was held by Milwaukee in 1994
1993 St. Paul* 8,848 11,319 9,281 8,832 12,457 50,737/10,147
1994 Milwaukee# 12,139 12,381 12,150 12,004 12,693 61,367/12,273
1995 St. Paul* 15,464 9,719 10,571 9,188 10,966 55,908/11,182
1996 Milwaukee# 8,978 11,429 8,401 8,958 9,538 47,304/9,406
1997 St. Paul* 9,272 9,528 14,013 9,577 14,317 56,707/11,341
1998 Milwaukee# 6,438 6,306 9,452 6,345 10,166 38,707/7,741
1999 Minneapolis^ 10,128 6,066 11,311 6,276 8,445 42,226/8,445
2000 Minneapolis^ 12,234 8,397 11,520 7,129 10,437 49,717/9,943
2001 St. Paul+ 9,966 10,375 18,409 11,299 17,563 67,612/13,522
2002 St. Paul+ 13,103 12,438 18,523 12,961 18,126 75,151/15,030
2003 St. Paul+ 14,305 12,292 17,012 12,509 16,668 72,786/14,557
2004 St. Paul+ 14,123 15,022 19,208 14,905 19,306 82,564/16,513
2005 St. Paul+ 15,583 13,132 17,794 14,730 16,507 77,746/15,549
2006 St. Paul+ 16,312 16,468 19,353 16,134 19,282 87,579/17,516
2007 St. Paul+ 16,449 17,511 19,359 16,118 19,463 88,900/17,780
2008 St. Paul+ 19,232 16,768 16,967 15,981 17,907 86,855/17,371
2009 St. Paul+ 17,611 14,722 17,729 15,254 16,749 82,065/16,413
2010 St. Paul+ 15,292 13,113 14,170 12,544 16,494 71,533/14,307
2011 St. Paul+ 13,131 12,903 15,080 ------- 16,731 57,773/14,443
These numbers tell me that the total number of packages sold is equal to about 12,000. The big question is how many of those have gone to MN and UW fans, and how many go to fans of the other WCHA schools?
Yes, Milwaukee in 1998 was a disaster, but so were the following 2 years in Minneapolis. All these number REALLY say is how important the X has been to the success of the F5 (along with having UND and UMN be winning teams)
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mnstate0fhockey
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Yes, venue matters a GREAT deal. I believe the 1999 and 2000 Final Five tournaments were held at the Target Center. And, as has been discussed at length in this thread, that venue is absolutely horrible for hockey. The St Paul Civic Center was better, but not ideal. Having an NHL caliber arena, especially one that is arguably the nicest in the NHL, makes a huge difference.
Yes, venue matters a GREAT deal. I believe the 1999 and 2000 Final Five tournaments were held at the Target Center. And, as has been discussed at length in this thread, that venue is absolutely horrible for hockey. The St Paul Civic Center was better, but not ideal. Having an NHL caliber arena, especially one that is arguably the nicest in the NHL, makes a huge difference.
waterlover
Repeat?
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
MN being bad in 1999 and 2000 had as much to do with the attendance as venue even though Target Center isn't a great hockey building. Sure they played all 3 days (winning the play-in game both years) but MN fans didn't show up in the same numbers they had before or as they have been since. MN attendance has been down the last few years too but UND fans have made up for it so overall attendance has maintainted pretty well. If both MN and UND continue on their current ways this year could break the F5 record.
MN being bad in 1999 and 2000 had as much to do with the attendance as venue even though Target Center isn't a great hockey building. Sure they played all 3 days (winning the play-in game both years) but MN fans didn't show up in the same numbers they had before or as they have been since. MN attendance has been down the last few years too but UND fans have made up for it so overall attendance has maintainted pretty well. If both MN and UND continue on their current ways this year could break the F5 record.
mnstate0fhockey
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Attendance has been down at Minnesota slightly over the last few years, but that has as much to do with the economy as anything else. Remember, until not too long ago Minnesota had the longest season ticket waiting list in college hockey.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but with the post season fast approaching I was wondering about something not discussed here. If the B1G tourney involves all 6 teams at one location, what about the lost revenue from the 1st or 2nd round campus games they currently get in the CCHA and WCHA? 4 of the 5 B1G schools will host a best 2 out of 3 series in the playoffs. For Michigan thats 6500 tickets x $25 x 2 nights (at least) for $325,000. MSU will get roughly the same, less for OSU but way more for Minnesota. This money will just vanish, GONE! They can't schedule more regular season games to make it up. Not to mention that the B1G will have a 2 week hiatus while other teams are in full playoff mode preping for the NCAA's. Hard to beleive that the B1G would just walk away from that money.
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but with the post season fast approaching I was wondering about something not discussed here. If the B1G tourney involves all 6 teams at one location, what about the lost revenue from the 1st or 2nd round campus games they currently get in the CCHA and WCHA? 4 of the 5 B1G schools will host a best 2 out of 3 series in the playoffs. For Michigan thats 6500 tickets x $25 x 2 nights (at least) for $325,000. MSU will get roughly the same, less for OSU but way more for Minnesota. This money will just vanish, GONE! They can't schedule more regular season games to make it up. Not to mention that the B1G will have a 2 week hiatus while other teams are in full playoff mode preping for the NCAA's. Hard to beleive that the B1G would just walk away from that money.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
First off, Michigan doesn't get that $325k, the CCHA splits that, 2nd just because the conference tournament starts next week for the CCHA and the week after for the WCHA, doesn't mean the Big Ten needs to start their tournament the same week. They can have their conference tournament the same weekend as the current Final Five and have their regular season end the weekend that has traditionally had the first round of the WCHA playoffs. I do agree that there is lost revenue in this format, which is why I'm surprised they would choose a 1 location/6 team tournament vs some kind of two round tournament.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Does the $325K get divided between other 10 teams in the CCHa or split with the conference admin? When the B1G forms it would only get divided between 5 other teams. Regardless of when they are played, they only get 36 regular season games* and would limit themselves to the 3 night Championship Tourney. I seem to recall that OSU earned hosting a playoff series a few years back but had already booked the Schott and had to play away or in their practice rink.
Does the $325K get divided between other 10 teams in the CCHa or split with the conference admin? When the B1G forms it would only get divided between 5 other teams. Regardless of when they are played, they only get 36 regular season games* and would limit themselves to the 3 night Championship Tourney. I seem to recall that OSU earned hosting a playoff series a few years back but had already booked the Schott and had to play away or in their practice rink.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
You must have been asleep for last year's Final 5. Last year's numbers clearly don't back you up.
You must have been asleep for last year's Final 5. Last year's numbers clearly don't back you up.
MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
The Ohio state high school wrestling championships or something of that nature are held at the Schott the same weekend as round 1 every year. They play at the old OSU Ice Rink, where the women's team currently plays.
The Ohio state high school wrestling championships or something of that nature are held at the Schott the same weekend as round 1 every year. They play at the old OSU Ice Rink, where the women's team currently plays.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
My understanding is that all the money (above expenses) goes to the conference and that is used to fund the year-long operation of the conference (travel costs associated with refs and teams to the conference tournament along with the salaries of the staff). Any short fall on that amount will need to be covered by the conference teams and any excess is dispersed to the conference teams.
My understanding is that all the money (above expenses) goes to the conference and that is used to fund the year-long operation of the conference (travel costs associated with refs and teams to the conference tournament along with the salaries of the staff). Any short fall on that amount will need to be covered by the conference teams and any excess is dispersed to the conference teams.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
In flipping between the Michigan/BGSU game and the Nodak/Minny game, it's abundantly clear that the BTHC Tourney should be at the X. EVERY year forever and ever. As much as it's painful to think that...
It's not like this is a new thought, but I sure hope that they're (BT officials) looking at this and seeing what is obvious.
You've got the flagship program of the state of Michigan and they've got nobody there and you've got the ugly step-sister of the state of Minnesota and the place is packed.
BTHC at the X. This must happen. Seriously.
Okay, back to the Hawks game.
In flipping between the Michigan/BGSU game and the Nodak/Minny game, it's abundantly clear that the BTHC Tourney should be at the X. EVERY year forever and ever. As much as it's painful to think that...
It's not like this is a new thought, but I sure hope that they're (BT officials) looking at this and seeing what is obvious.
You've got the flagship program of the state of Michigan and they've got nobody there and you've got the ugly step-sister of the state of Minnesota and the place is packed.
BTHC at the X. This must happen. Seriously.
Okay, back to the Hawks game.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Look at the 4 teams in this weekend and think reasonably about it for a second.
1. 2 small-market programs, including the last-place team in the conference. Almost zero draw there.
2. Michigan playing at the exact same time that the basketball team was playing in the opening game of the NCAA tournament. Huge chunk of the fanbase is in front of a TV, not paying to go sit in the Joe for the CCHA semifinal when we were reasonably expected to be playing tomorrow night anyway.
3. The second largest draw in the thing, Miami, plays in the first game, and loses. Those fans go home.
Attendance will be just fine tomorrow night.
In flipping between the Michigan/BGSU game and the Nodak/Minny game, it's abundantly clear that the BTHC Tourney should be at the X. EVERY year forever and ever. As much as it's painful to think that...
It's not like this is a new thought, but I sure hope that they're (BT officials) looking at this and seeing what is obvious.
You've got the flagship program of the state of Michigan and they've got nobody there and you've got the ugly step-sister of the state of Minnesota and the place is packed.
BTHC at the X. This must happen. Seriously.
Okay, back to the Hawks game.
Look at the 4 teams in this weekend and think reasonably about it for a second.
1. 2 small-market programs, including the last-place team in the conference. Almost zero draw there.
2. Michigan playing at the exact same time that the basketball team was playing in the opening game of the NCAA tournament. Huge chunk of the fanbase is in front of a TV, not paying to go sit in the Joe for the CCHA semifinal when we were reasonably expected to be playing tomorrow night anyway.
3. The second largest draw in the thing, Miami, plays in the first game, and loses. Those fans go home.
Attendance will be just fine tomorrow night.
FireKnight
Let's go Tech!
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Boy were those fans who stayed home to watch the roundball game disappointed.
Boy were those fans who stayed home to watch the roundball game disappointed.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Interesting. In Minnesota the fans would show up regardless of who the small market teams are playing that night. After 5 years of rotating the conference finals around the X will be the place the Big Ten hangs its hat on. Bank on it.
Interesting. In Minnesota the fans would show up regardless of who the small market teams are playing that night. After 5 years of rotating the conference finals around the X will be the place the Big Ten hangs its hat on. Bank on it.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
I love the triumphalist mindset of Minnesota fans when it comes to this tournament. It's sheer comedy.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
It's feast or famine with a 7-man rotation and an offense that depends on the long-range jumper. That, and Ohio couldn't miss.
Caustic Undertow
Don't read this message. Really.
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
You haven't paid much attention to what else is going on at the same time, have you? Michigan fans have universally lamented and derided the timing of the game due to a <b>direct conflict</b> with the basketball team playing in the NCAA tournament.
I should point out that this is not a conflict Minnesota fans have to worry about.
There were a hefty number of NoDak fans in the audience, if my vision was accurate, and I don't think they'll show up for the Big Ten tournament championship. Now, we can argue small, irrelevant points like this until we turn blue, but there are a couple of undeniable facts that today's entirely predictable turnouts don't change:
1. The X will draw well due to Minnesota's participation, and with its larger volume of consistent ticket-paying fans it will generally draw better than the JLA.
2. The JLA will draw just fine with Michigan and MSU guaranteed games there every year, and when they do well it will sell competitively with the X.
3. To have the finals at the X every year would be to permanently give one conference team (and one team only) a tremendous home ice advantage. This is unnecessary, since there is another venue that is much closer to two-thirds of the conference that is available, will sell well, and is willing to host the tournament.
If the Big Ten tournament were at the X every year, I would be there every season to see Michigan play. I live in Duluth. But as a hockey fan I consider such an arrangement to be unacceptable. Alternate years is much better.
You haven't paid much attention to what else is going on at the same time, have you? Michigan fans have universally lamented and derided the timing of the game due to a <b>direct conflict</b> with the basketball team playing in the NCAA tournament.
I should point out that this is not a conflict Minnesota fans have to worry about.
There were a hefty number of NoDak fans in the audience, if my vision was accurate, and I don't think they'll show up for the Big Ten tournament championship. Now, we can argue small, irrelevant points like this until we turn blue, but there are a couple of undeniable facts that today's entirely predictable turnouts don't change:
1. The X will draw well due to Minnesota's participation, and with its larger volume of consistent ticket-paying fans it will generally draw better than the JLA.
2. The JLA will draw just fine with Michigan and MSU guaranteed games there every year, and when they do well it will sell competitively with the X.
3. To have the finals at the X every year would be to permanently give one conference team (and one team only) a tremendous home ice advantage. This is unnecessary, since there is another venue that is much closer to two-thirds of the conference that is available, will sell well, and is willing to host the tournament.
If the Big Ten tournament were at the X every year, I would be there every season to see Michigan play. I live in Duluth. But as a hockey fan I consider such an arrangement to be unacceptable. Alternate years is much better.