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Big Ten 2015-2016

Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

Yea, we know the attendance sucks.

So we should ALL try to do something about it. Send notes to your AD and get them to promote the championship. Locally and at each school. I can deal without promoting St. Paul and Detroit as long as they promote the championship weekend. Not only on the local channels that via the ownership of the teams/arenas. But AT EACH school.

It's time to stop whining and start doing. The B1G Hockey conference isn't going away. We need to deal with it.

Everyone here is a fan, some are donors. All of your voices count.

I appreciate what you're saying alfablue (I honestly do) but I, for one, will never support B1G hockey. It's been a disaster from day one and it'll remain a disaster. I think in the minds of many fans it IS conceivable that it'll eventually go away if this fan revolt continues for long enough. Personally, I enjoy seeing the conference getting embarrassed on their own network by 17,000+ empty seats. I enjoyed seeing the Gopher fan on the glass with his "B1G MISTAKE" jersey yesterday. The ripple effect caused by this dreadful conference has severely damaged college hockey and we're supposed to accept it? I don't. I won't.
 
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LOL- as if something changed? Did we not have the same problem between the big BB teams when we were part of the CCHA and WCHA??? I remember seeing big crowds of MSU fans watching their games in the concourse of the Joe. Again, an excuse that isn't new. That isn't that big of an issue.

You guys are sounding like you are happier complaining about the lack of attendance than trying to fix it. As if the B1G Hockey Conference may go away. It's not. Time to deal with what we have and work with it.
The basketball issue was not a big deal for the WCHA which is kinda my point. The other fours schools aside from Minnesota and PSU have a way bigger interest in basketball all the time, but especially this time of year, than hockey. SCSU, UND, UMD, etc did not have basketball teams to worry about. The few Gopher hockey fans that actually care about basketball, like myself, were checking out the Gopher basketball game in the concourse the one time I can remember them being in the big dance while I was at a Final Five LOL!

So if you're a Michigan or MSU fan this year.....would you rather travel to St Paul to watch your hockey teams in an empty X or go watch your basketball teams in the regionals?
 
That kind of format would also help build animosity that's sorely needed to help me think why I should care about the CCHA teams and PSU compared to what we're missing from the old WCHA.

I agree. At this point, the conference needs to do something different than the typical conference tournament.

Why should I bother traveling to the conference tournament if I'm already planning to travel to the F4? It's the same argument that the west regionals have. The conference tournaments with these new conferences are not destination events, until they develop into that (if they ever do) they will continue to suffer from fan apathy.
 
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Should go to a 3 game series format.

Top 4 get in. 1 weekend for the semis, the next for the championship.

At the top seeded teams' home rinks.


3 game series for the conference championship?

Yes please!
Totally on board for this.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

I agree. At this point, the conference needs to do something different than the typical conference tournament.

Why should I bother traveling to the conference tournament if I'm already planning to travel to the F4? It's the same argument that the west regionals have. The conference tournaments with these new conferences are not destination events, until they develop into that (if they ever do) they will continue to suffer from fan apathy.

This reflects my feelings as well. I go to a lot of hockey games. I am working in MI today and not going to the tournament in St. Paul. I would rather use the money and vacation days I budget for hockey and use them on the NCAA tournament, or an away weekend. For an away weekend, I get to see my team play more than 1 game. The B1G tournament my team may only play 1 game. For the NCAA, though my team may only play 1 game, I get to see other teams I may not have seen this season, and high quality games. I've seen every B1G hockey team in person at least twice this year.

Plus, with this every team makes the tournament crap, unless it's my team (or has PWR implications), I don't care about the Thursday games. If this year was in Detroit, a mere hour drive for me, I wouldn't have gone yesterday. Who wants to watch hockey being played against two teams with a winning percentage under .35? The WCHA Final Five and the CCHA Super Six Thursday games at least had decent teams playing, not the conference basement.
 
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That kind of format would also help build animosity that's sorely needed to help me think why I should care about the CCHA teams and PSU compared to what we're missing from the old WCHA.

You need a water bottle disagreement to liven things up a little.
 
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Anyone with hockey tradition already has a team.

Which is exactly my point. IIRC this thread partly began with a discussion regarding adding teams to the Big Ten. The Big Ten may have to consider adding affiliate members in men's ice hockey that have an existing hockey tradition to increase interest and revenue in the BTHC and the tournament. IMO until that happens, adding startup programs (e.g. ASU, UNL, Illinois, etc.) or additional marketing will not result in a significant attendance spike.

Adding ASU may be under consideration to evoke an broader cooperative alliance in other sports with the Pac-12 and additional media revenue, but obviously its addition to the B1G will have little impact upon the current interest level and attendance at this tournament. If the Big Ten does add ASU as an affiliate member, they most certainly must consider adding another startup or preferably a school with an existing hockey tradition.
 
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The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.


Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.


Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.

175% correct.
 
The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.


Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.

I'm beginning to realize that I will likely not attend another B1G conference tournament. No real reason to actually go when my time, money, and energy is better spent on the F4 or non-hockey events.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.


Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.

Yes to all of this.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.


Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.

The same with the CCHA tournament at the JLA. Mostly local, or State of Mi Schools. Plus BGSU was about an hour away. Miami, OSU a few hours. Easy enough to drive to and spend the night, or drive back home. Now........no fun sitting in a 90% empty facility.
 
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It has not helped that these games have had little in terms of national implications. The national "value" on winning the B1G regular season or playoff championship is nearly zero. It's not a statement that you are a national title contender let alone favorite, but that you will show up and get your participation merit badge.
 
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Well, at least it's easy to do nothing....

And just whine about it....

Although if you are not going to do anything about it, it's interesting that you waste your energy on something you already resigned to be low attendance.

I could have sworn a few years ago, fans from Minnesota bragged how great of hockey fans they were. Here we are saying that there's no point in trying to convince the B1G to at least promote the championship locally.
 
Well, at least it's easy to do nothing....

And just whine about it....

Although if you are not going to do anything about it, it's interesting that you waste your energy on something you already resigned to be low attendance.

I could have sworn a few years ago, fans from Minnesota bragged how great of hockey fans they were. Here we are saying that there's no point in trying to convince the B1G to at least promote the championship locally.

Have you never met gopher fans? Whining about it is what they do best.

No amount of promotion is going to make the playoffs work as structured.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

Well, at least it's easy to do nothing....

And just whine about it....

Although if you are not going to do anything about it, it's interesting that you waste your energy on something you already resigned to be low attendance.

I could have sworn a few years ago, fans from Minnesota bragged how great of hockey fans they were. Here we are saying that there's no point in trying to convince the B1G to at least promote the championship locally.

We'll have more fans than Detroit. That being said Gopher Hockey is taking a bit of a hit around here. Increased Wild interest, the Big 10 change, and a not so very exciting squad this season are all contributing to that. But, it shouldn't fall on Minnesota to fix the Big 10 problems. Of all the schools Minnesota was the only one who spoke out against the idea and warned everyone what might occur.

You get the big 4 (Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State (the showcase teams) in the conference at NCAA tournament competing levels like the NCHC has this season and this apathy wouldn't be happening. At least not nearly to this degree.
 
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016

The B1G Tourney will never do well.

The reason that the WCHA Tourney did so well is because you had so many local schools and the alumni living in and around the Twin Cities.

The vast majority of the attendees were Gopher and Sioux fans, but there were also significant numbers of SCSU, UMD, Tech and Badger fans to fill it out along with the other programs.

All of these are schools where hockey is or was one of the top draws or has (had) a great tradition.

Part of the fun was that it was a destination tourney - meaning that there was a buzz around it and the atmosphere was worth traveling to.

That will never happen with the B1G schools or their tourney. Ever.

You cannot manufacture or create that.

Centrally locating it in Chicago wouldn't help either.

I think school proximity and tournament locations would be two major independent variables under consideration in the foregoing expansion process of BTHC in future years. Others would include negotiating the entry level standards for affiliate membership (e.g. Notre Dame), startup vs established hockey traditions and fanbases, broader conference alliance through partnerships in various sports, major media and sponsorship revenue, and market expansion of the media footprint. Arguably, it will take time to expand and build a Big Ten hockey tradition that rivals the old WCHA in popularity and attendance. But to say it will "never" happen is a bit reductionist and myopic.

It's noteworthy that we are in a different time in college sports today than when the old WCHA was formed. As I mentioned in a previous post, Big Ten sports today is in fact primarily money driven with entertainment value for the average fan running a very close second. Media exposure is everything for the Big Ten. In the landscape of conference expansion and media $$$ over the past decade among power 5 conferences, it is becoming the battle of the fittest. The Big Ten has in fact been on the leading edge of it in other non-niche college sports and stands to become the largest media revenue generating machine in college sports.

But make no mistake about it, BTHC expansion is in the works. But the Big Ten also has a more comprehensive emphasis on expanding the collaborative BTN, ESPN/ABC and CBS footprint in other major college sports. As I mentioned, the Big Ten will be looking at significant increases when those media contracts expire next year from its 10-year, $1 billion deal with ESPN/ABC for football and basketball and 6-year, $72 million pact with CBS for basketball. It already has a 25-year, $2.8 billion deal with the league-run BTN that extends through 2031-32. That's why they're is not overly concerned that college hockey venues like the X or the Joe are 80-90% empty because they understand it's a niche media market with 6 teams that will not yield significant revenue in it's present form compared to other major college sports.

But I disagree that it's impossible to "create" a vibrant tournament atmosphere in the future similar to the WCHA F5. However, it becomes a little more of a challenge with college hockey as a niche sport with the enigma of travel distances. In the future it's feasible we may be looking at something of a divisional "mantra" (not exactly like the one below but an adaptation) along with additional affiliate members in men's ice hockey as when the B1G moved to 14 teams, and dumped the Legends and Leaders divisions to set up a divisional structure based on geography.

<img alt="" rel="lightbox" src="http://bigtennetworks.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/east-west33.jpg?w=640">
 
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