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I think a lot of us are with you in not wanting Harris but I don’t get the trump thing.
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Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
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I think a lot of us are with you in not wanting Harris but I don’t get the trump thing.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
A loudmouth who attacks people and isn't exactly an intellectual heavyweight.
A loudmouth who attacks people and isn't exactly an intellectual heavyweight.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
From an actual Democrat, what’s wrong with Harris? Just during the coronavirus pandemic, she’s sponsored like three or four huge ideas/bills aimed at helping people of color, partnering with white guys Sanders/Markey on one bill, and Squad member Pressley* on another. To me, she’s literally the perfect fit for Biden. She’s Abrams 5-10 years from now.
From an actual Democrat, what’s wrong with Harris? Just during the coronavirus pandemic, she’s sponsored like three or four huge ideas/bills aimed at helping people of color, partnering with white guys Sanders/Markey on one bill, and Squad member Pressley* on another. To me, she’s literally the perfect fit for Biden. She’s Abrams 5-10 years from now.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Nothing. But Abrams is better IMO.
Nothing. But Abrams is better IMO.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Nothing is wrong with Harris for VP and I'd be happy to see her chosen. Tickets tend to be more about balance as opposed to a VP delivering the state that they're from as that rarely happens. You can have young/old, outsider/insider, 3 time married with hots for his own daughter/fundamentalist nutjob, etc. Biden/Harris works as does Biden/Abrams.
No Biden/Booker as that's too corporate and Biden/Klobacher I'm not wild about either as I'm not sure what she adds to the ticket that can't be gotten with a difference choice. Might as well go with Whitmer instead if you want to go that route.
Nothing is wrong with Harris for VP and I'd be happy to see her chosen. Tickets tend to be more about balance as opposed to a VP delivering the state that they're from as that rarely happens. You can have young/old, outsider/insider, 3 time married with hots for his own daughter/fundamentalist nutjob, etc. Biden/Harris works as does Biden/Abrams.
No Biden/Booker as that's too corporate and Biden/Klobacher I'm not wild about either as I'm not sure what she adds to the ticket that can't be gotten with a difference choice. Might as well go with Whitmer instead if you want to go that route.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
I agree. I want Klobuchar or Harris as AG though. For sure. I want a strong woman in there who wants to clean House and arrest everyone from the Trump administration. NO PARDONS!!!!!!!!! This isn't Nixon, this is much much much worse.
I agree. I want Klobuchar or Harris as AG though. For sure. I want a strong woman in there who wants to clean House and arrest everyone from the Trump administration. NO PARDONS!!!!!!!!! This isn't Nixon, this is much much much worse.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
I admit I was afraid to look too closely at the (Tara Reade’s) story, so it was a relief to see it destroyed by an actual reporter. https://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff...ht-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-27d3ca14978
I admit I was afraid to look too closely at the (Tara Reade’s) story, so it was a relief to see it destroyed by an actual reporter. https://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff...ht-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-27d3ca14978
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Whitmer has been a steady hand in Michigan, working with the cards dealt to her by the obstructionism of the Republican leg, but I don't think she is ready for prime time.
I'm actually much more impressed with our state AG, Dana Nessel.
Whitmer has been a steady hand in Michigan, working with the cards dealt to her by the obstructionism of the Republican leg, but I don't think she is ready for prime time.
I'm actually much more impressed with our state AG, Dana Nessel.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
To me Harris represents the bluster over substance brand of politics that Trump engages in. The sooner that is gone from the executive branch the better. I would be very happy with Abrams as she is the real deal. Warren or Mayor Pete would have been my top two choices but it looks like Biden is going to go a different direction.
To me Harris represents the bluster over substance brand of politics that Trump engages in. The sooner that is gone from the executive branch the better. I would be very happy with Abrams as she is the real deal. Warren or Mayor Pete would have been my top two choices but it looks like Biden is going to go a different direction.
French Rage
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Ha ha, you all thought you would get a substantive answer.
Ha ha, you all thought you would get a substantive answer.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Yeah, shame on us
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
If the aim is taking the Senate, if he picks a Senator, shouldnt the Senator be from a state with a D governor? That would mean Warren’s out. That leaves Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and a few others. Abrams wouldn’t disrupt anything.
If the aim is taking the Senate, if he picks a Senator, shouldnt the Senator be from a state with a D governor? That would mean Warren’s out. That leaves Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and a few others. Abrams wouldn’t disrupt anything.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Warren's replacement would only temporary, maybe for a couple of months until a new election? Baker's a pretty liberal Republican but not sure who exactly he'd chose for the interim job now that Romney scrammed back to Utah! Maybe he'd give Bill Weld the seat for a few weeks. Or he could choose his Lt Gov.
Warren's replacement would only temporary, maybe for a couple of months until a new election? Baker's a pretty liberal Republican but not sure who exactly he'd chose for the interim job now that Romney scrammed back to Utah! Maybe he'd give Bill Weld the seat for a few weeks. Or he could choose his Lt Gov.
Kepler
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Harris is great for the demographics. She lacks Abrams' farther left orientation and her ability to inspire. Harris was on the campaign trail and drew crickets.
If Joe wants to do this purely on racial id he picks Harris because she'll play ball when he appoints another Republican to run the Fed. If he wants to forge a tie back to the liberal wing he picks Abrams.
Harris is great for the demographics. She lacks Abrams' farther left orientation and her ability to inspire. Harris was on the campaign trail and drew crickets.
If Joe wants to do this purely on racial id he picks Harris because she'll play ball when he appoints another Republican to run the Fed. If he wants to forge a tie back to the liberal wing he picks Abrams.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
I am disappointed with Harris for being a purely political creature but I can't imagine on what indices you see a comparison with Dump. She's smart, he dumb. She's circumspect, he's incendiary. Most importantly she's good, he's toxic. In what ways do you think she resembles him?
I am disappointed with Harris for being a purely political creature but I can't imagine on what indices you see a comparison with Dump. She's smart, he dumb. She's circumspect, he's incendiary. Most importantly she's good, he's toxic. In what ways do you think she resembles him?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
You could not be more wrong. That you find her a loudmouth shows you know nothing of her history. That you find her intellectually lacking, well, I don't want to speculate what's going on there, but let's leave it at she impresses me and I do not suffer the dumbs, or even the normies, gladly.
You could not be more wrong. That you find her a loudmouth shows you know nothing of her history. That you find her intellectually lacking, well, I don't want to speculate what's going on there, but let's leave it at she impresses me and I do not suffer the dumbs, or even the normies, gladly.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
No, she's Obama 10 years ago, and that's fine, but it aint Abrams. Abrams is a genuine liberal, not a pragmatic balancer. Now, you may not want a genuine liberal, but that is a matter of preference, not identity.
On the Dem number line where Manchin is a 1, Biden is a 5, and Sanders is a 10, Harris is a 6 and Abrams is an 8. There's a substantive difference.
No, she's Obama 10 years ago, and that's fine, but it aint Abrams. Abrams is a genuine liberal, not a pragmatic balancer. Now, you may not want a genuine liberal, but that is a matter of preference, not identity.
On the Dem number line where Manchin is a 1, Biden is a 5, and Sanders is a 10, Harris is a 6 and Abrams is an 8. There's a substantive difference.
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
I think my post was more condescending than I intended. She's obviously not an idiot, or someone of even mere average intelligence, but I don't think she is in the same ballpark as people like Obama, Abrams, or Warren. They all went to Harvard or Yale without family connections. Those are the type of folks we need as president and vice president.
Maybe I am off the reservation on this, but it always seems like she is chasing some sort of sound byte. And instead of owning who she is politically is she always tries to suit whatever audience she is addressing that moment in time. People love the idea of her, no doubt about that, but there is a reason she did so bad in the primary.
I think my post was more condescending than I intended. She's obviously not an idiot, or someone of even mere average intelligence, but I don't think she is in the same ballpark as people like Obama, Abrams, or Warren. They all went to Harvard or Yale without family connections. Those are the type of folks we need as president and vice president.
Maybe I am off the reservation on this, but it always seems like she is chasing some sort of sound byte. And instead of owning who she is politically is she always tries to suit whatever audience she is addressing that moment in time. People love the idea of her, no doubt about that, but there is a reason she did so bad in the primary.
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