Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

[Kepler]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

All of these republicans (or former republicans) who have said they won't support trump or vote for him in November are nice but they will have no influence on how many votes that 5h!tbag gets. To the best of my knowledge most of them didn't vote for trump in 2016 anyway. We need someone who would make a difference to come out against trump. What trump supporter jumping ship (if any) might move the needle? Has anybody spoken with Scott Baio?

Stephen Miller could start a new party and savage Dump for not murdering blacks and browns faster. That might peel off a few percent. It would give Steve King a nomination.

Is there any Republican, any person, who if they criticized Dump would not be IMMEDIATELY demonized by the Dumpies? Robertson maybe? I can't think of anybody.

 

[geezer]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Trump is Tweeting that he is showing a stellar 96% approval among Republicans ("Thank you!") But how do you get 96% of 11 guys? Does he mean 91%?

 

[Rover]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

All of these republicans (or former republicans) who have said they won't support trump or vote for him in November are nice but they will have no influence on how many votes that 5h!tbag gets. To the best of my knowledge most of them didn't vote for trump in 2016 anyway. We need someone who would make a difference to come out against trump. What trump supporter jumping ship (if any) might move the needle? Has anybody spoken with Scott Baio?

I'm looking at his poll #'s to get a sense of this. Chump's approval and current general election polling tends to be around 42-43%. He got 46% in the last election. So either 3% of his 2016 #'s are peeling off or a percentage of people who don't like him are going to turn around and vote for him anyway (which he benefited greatly from last time). Given the results of 2018 when GOP turnout was pretty good and they still got smoked it seems its the result of educated voters continuing to move away from the Nazis. To some extent a Bush or Powell or all these generals might shake more educated voters out of their habit of voting GOP reflexively.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Trump is Tweeting that he is showing a stellar 96% approval among Republicans

If Dump went out of his way to tweet this their internal polling could be showing some problems. I can't imagine Republicans ever falling below about 92% for him, but if he's gone from say 97 to 94, well... can't hurt.

 

[geezer]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

If Dump went out of his way to tweet this their internal polling could be showing some problems. I can't imagine Republicans ever falling below about 92% for him, but if he's gone from say 97 to 94, well... can't hurt.

I actually read an investigation of this some time ago, since he regularly tweets something about 90-something approval "among Republicans" that nobody knew where it was coming from.
The writer figured that he made up some initial approval loosely based on "percent of Trump worshipers who admire their God, according to Hannity's official Facebook poll" or something, then couldn't help himself from re-tweeting it every few weeks with a percent or two added to his original delusion. He finally got up to the upper 90s and has held there since.
It usually comes out in direct response to unfavorable polling.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

IIRC typical in-party approval of a sitting president, outside an election year, is around 93 for Republicans and 73 for Democrats (because we're capable of critical thinking). At election time those numbers go up to about 97 for Republicans and 85 for Democrats.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Some of you are under-estimating the potential message being sent as more and more prominent figures speak out against Trump and/or voting in favor of Biden. There was very little of this in 2016 so not sure why so many of you are saying it's no different. No it's not going to convince anyone from the Fifth Avenue Posse but so what?

 

[French Rage]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Some of you are under-estimating the potential message being sent as more and more prominent figures speak out against Trump and/or voting in favor of Biden. There was very little of this in 2016 so not sure why so many of you are saying it's no different. No it's not going to convince anyone from the Fifth Avenue Posse but so what?

It depends on the figure and whether they say they are opposed to Trump or actively supporting Biden. I feel the Bushes and Powell both did not endorse Trump in 2016 but did not go out of their way to support Clinton; while opposing Trump was good and all, just doing the same thing time around is not that different than what they did in 2016, and it clearly did not have the impact one would have hoped. I guess Powell saying he will vote for Biden is an improvement, but I'd like to see that from the Bushes. And don't discount that after 2016 we're not going to get too excited about anything until the votes have been counting and Trump has definitively lost.

 

[burd]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

It depends on the figure and whether they say they are opposed to Trump or actively supporting Biden. I feel the Bushes and Powell both did not endorse Trump in 2016 but did not go out of their way to support Clinton; while opposing Trump was good and all, just doing the same thing time around is not that different than what they did in 2016, and it clearly did not have the impact one would have hoped. I guess Powell saying he will vote for Biden is an improvement, but I'd like to see that from the Bushes. And don't discount that after 2016 we're not going to get too excited about anything until the votes have been counting and Trump has definitively lost.

I think that is especially true because conservatives have been mobilized at the polls by convincing them to fear and vote against liberalism and the harm it could bring. So even if they don't like dump, they are still apt to vote against Biden. If some of those target voters (not dumpers) see someone like Bush or Powell make it a point to say they support Biden, it could matter.

Maybe only a little, but one corner puck battle at a time.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

I think that is especially true because conservatives have been mobilized at the polls by convincing them to fear and vote against liberalism and the harm it could bring. So even if they don't like dump, they are still apt to vote against Biden. If some of those target voters (not dumpers) see someone like Bush or Powell make it a point to say they support Biden, it could matter.

Maybe only a little, but one corner puck battle at a time.

That is why the Lincoln Project is the most brilliant thing those former GOPers could do. Sure they get shunned by all the Trumpers, but there are still some Goldwater and even Reagan Republicans out there voting anti Liberal because they have been conditioned to do so. They have flipped the messaging...they have taken the tactics they used against every Dem and just changed the name out. They are using the programming that these people have been conditioned to respond a certain way to and are using it to hurt Trump instead of helping him. And IIRC they are doing it on Faux as much as anywhere.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Warmongering liar Colin Powell saying he'll vote for Biden is not going to change any hearts or minds.

 

[burd]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Warmongering liar Colin Powell saying he'll vote for Biden is not going to change any hearts or minds.

You think he is a warmongering liar, but we don't care what you (or I) think. The votes we care about may take a different view.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Whaaat

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Crooked Hillary Clinton in 2016. They are called SUPPRESSION POLLS, and are put out to dampen enthusiasm. Despite 3 ½ years of phony Witch Hunts, we are winning, and will close it out on November 3rd! <a href="https://t.co/4IhuLUZjsv">pic.twitter.com/4IhuLUZjsv</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270071794628726784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[bronconick]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Whaaat

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Crooked Hillary Clinton in 2016. They are called SUPPRESSION POLLS, and are put out to dampen enthusiasm. Despite 3 ½ years of phony Witch Hunts, we are winning, and will close it out on November 3rd! <a href="https://t.co/4IhuLUZjsv">pic.twitter.com/4IhuLUZjsv</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270071794628726784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah, McLaughlin. Best known for predicting Eric Cantor would win his primary by 34%. Brat won by 14, so they were only off by 48

 

[Handyman]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Dubya's handlers now saying he never said he wouldnt support Trump in November. Sounds dumb enough to be true.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Actually he said that yesterday

(or might have been Saturday...what day is it today)

There was a Pearls Before Swine strip that ran a few days ago, basically:

"Is today the 4th? It is June? What year is it? *sigh* remember when calendars mattered?"

Honestly, even though I was never furloughed or anything, I did lose my weekend routines, for the most part, and basically, if the alarm goes off: OH! It's a workday. I must go to my job. If it doesn't? Yay! I can do whatever, it doesn't matter.

 

[Handyman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...source=twitter

President Trump has two monumental political problems on his hands. The first is that sizable majorities continue to disapprove of his handling of the novel coronavirus, which is still claiming American lives at a fast clip and has helped land us in the worst economic crisis in nearly a century.
The second is that, after having claimed civil unrest sweeping the land constitutes “domestic terror,” while rage-tweeting about “LAW & ORDER!” and threatening to send in troops, public opinion is solidly behind the protests, while approval of his response has sunk into the 30s.

Is there anything that might magically solve both these problems in one stroke?

Why, yes! Blaming large gatherings at protests for any spikes in the coronavirus in coming weeks just might fit the bill perfectly!

 

[Handyman]

Trump campaign seeks apology, retraction of CNN poll showing Biden leading

President Trump’s reelection campaign is asking CNN for an apology and demanding a retraction of a poll this week that shows presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden with a sizable lead, claiming it was designed “to manufacture an anti-Trump narrative.”

CNN said Wednesday that it stands by the poll, which showed Trump trailing the former vice president, 41 percent to 55 percent, or by 14 points, among registered voters in a November matchup.
In a letter to CNN president Jeff Zucker, representatives of the Trump campaign questioned the methodology and timing of the poll, noting that it was largely conducted before better-than-expected unemployment numbers were released Friday.

“Media polls such as these are designed to manufacture an anti-Trump narrative and misinform and mislead actual voters,” the letter, dated Tuesday, said. “It’s a stunt and a phony poll to cause voter suppression, stifle momentum and enthusiasm for the President, and present a false view generally of the actual support across America for the President.”

Glad to see all our problems are solved and our President can get back to the real issues. It isnt like we arent having daily protests and a thousand people dying of a pandemic or anything...

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

trump's approval ratings in the Gallop poll have dropped 10 points in under a month. That can't be easy to do.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

trump's approval ratings in the Gallop poll have dropped 10 points in under a month. That can't be easy to do.

I checked 538's aggregate. He's at his worst approval since November around -13.

Rasmussen had him at -11. 538's correction of that poll puts it at -18.