Older fan here. Over the years we've seen a lot more "schmoozers," not hockey fans, from all four schools. That includes people who attend the middle two periods of the doubleheader only and some non-hockey folks who think the Beanpot is something for which you have to qualify. Maybe post-pandemic that will change.
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Beanpot LXIX: Live and In Person!
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Older fan here. Over the years we've seen a lot more "schmoozers," not hockey fans, from all four schools. That includes people who attend the middle two periods of the doubleheader only and some non-hockey folks who think the Beanpot is something for which you have to qualify. Maybe post-pandemic that will change.
Thiessen'sBetter
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Weird game. Was waiting all night for an NU push that only came in the last 2 minutes after the BU goal. Wish BU scored earlier and maybe we would have seen that sense of urgency earlier. Best defensive game I've watched BU play in a few years, impressive especially without Vlasic.
I was thinking the same thing about the BU defense that was the cleanest game I can remember them playing in a long time like years. That may have been due to some extent of NU being off like Keefe said. NU usually creates a lot of opportunities I was surprised.
Split-N
All Hail
After last night's Olympic shootout debacle, I'm just thankful the Beanpot wasn't decided the same way. I'd hope that the NCAA hockey powers that be take an object lesson from this and rescind the stupid rule that mandates certain games must be decided by a skills competition. But that's probably too much to ask.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Agreed. The Beanpot committee even submitted a waiver request to the NCAA that would've allowed them to substitute full-period 5-on-5 OT for the shootout (while maintaining the 5-minute 3-on-3) that would've only determined a winner. The waiver specified that the game would still count as a tie for PWR purposes if it went to the 5 on 5 - even THAT was denied. Ridiculous.
Split-N
All Hail
There's a lot of #BeanpotEnvy out there. There is nothing--not even the Frozen Four--that gives college hockey a more glorious showcase. In addition to the 17,850 in the seats, there are many times that number watching on NESN/TSN/NHL Network. By contrast, the Frozen Four is all but buried by ESPN, which then complains about ratings.
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Isn't it easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission? Just play multiple OT's. What is the NCAA going to do about it?
That's what I was wondering. Unless it was an issue with the TV rights or something? I can't see how anyone could have looked at that game and the atmosphere and determined it was just a regular season game.
Maybe they're afraid Justin Trudeau will freeze bank accounts.
Split-N
All Hail
Unfortunately, only one Beanpot school is a P5 football or hoops school, where high crimes and misdemeanors are brushed aside and everything is forgiven in advance. But two points re the Beanpot OT issue: 1) the four Beanpot schools agreeing on flaunting the (ill-advised) NCAA OT ruling just ain't gonna happen; and 2) if they did, the NCAA would likely be vindictive enough to suspend all four from post-season play (except maybe BC because of its ACC ties).
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brassbonanza
Super Serial
Not to mention, the teams themselves wouldn't be able to make the decision - the game officials would also have to buy in. The league and/or NCAA would likely fire every one of those officials. Not a chance in hell it'd ever happen.
That said, given the blowback I think there's a chance they can get some kind of adjustment to the rule during the offseason. That's the better path to take here - perhaps amending the rule so that in-season tournaments have an option for a shootout or 5 on 5 after the initial 5 min OT where both results go down as a tie.
Split-N
All Hail
Problem is that the coaches and administrators are not "truly committed" and it breaks down along east-west lines. The western schools, for the most part, think 3x3 and shootouts are cool. The eastern schools not so much. And plenty of #BeanpotEnvy out west.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
I think JD's quote meant unless the Beanpot schools' coaches/admins are truly committed - I believe they are. I don't have a lot of direct info, but my understanding is all of them were *very* upset that the waiver was denied and at the prospect of a shootout determining the Beanpot.
I agree with the sentiment that because it didn't actually happen it lessens the reality of how ridiculous it is, but I suspect there's resolve among the schools to try and broker a compromise.
Ya I specifically meant the Beanpot schools. Let's face it, how many of these tournaments will be pushing for a waiver? I highly doubt the Dartmouth Ledyard Classic would lose any sleep over the Beanpot getting this waiver. I would say the GLI should probably get a waiver too. I actually wonder if the Beanpot schools bring this up at a coaches convention. Is Bob Motzko or Brad Berry going to care that the Beanpot gets settled with 5 on 5 OT after it's already in the books as a tie for PWR purposes? I simply do not understand what the NCAAs reasoning is here (shocker).
Its an asinine rule change. Its almost as bad as having an Olympic game determined on a shootout. Go 5 on 5 for 5 minutes. 4 on 4 for 10....then 3 v3 until there is a winner. At least that's somewhat hockey.
Split-N
All Hail
I agree with both points but let's remember that the GLI has been torpedoed by some of its own anchor schools. What was once a competitive spectacle at the Joe is now just an "exhibition" played before family and friends at campus sites in Ann Arbor and East Lansing. And it's not even a legitimate exhibition since a certain anchor school fraudulently sidestepped a scheduled GLI game that it thought it might lose. So, I don't think they'll get aboard the waiver train, especially since I'm pretty sure they're among the schools that pushed for universal 3x3 and shootouts.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Apparently the western schools did care if the Beanpot winner (for advancement only) was determined by 5 on 5 or a shootout. A friend closely follows these offseason rules deliberations. Seems the western schools made a huge push for "uniformity" for regular season games.
I can't fathom why they care how the post-5 min OT winner is determined if it has zero RPI, PWR, record, conference record or ANY impact whatsoever. But apparently they do.
If anything, I think the proposal would be in-season tournaments have the option to determine their post-5 min OT winner however they want, so long as the game goes down as a tie for PWR and the game is considered non-conference. If they object to that, they're lunatics.
Maybe the NCAA needs an educational session explaining how playing a 5 on 5 continuous OT after the standard 3 on 3 five minute OT in non-conference games has no impact on anything. Not the PWR, not conference standings.
So what exactly is the argument from western schools? That they don't want the Beanpot schools having this stage? Because that is the only thing I can think of. Maybe Split N is on to something with his Beanpot envy theory.
So what exactly is the argument from western schools? That they don't want the Beanpot schools having this stage? Because that is the only thing I can think of. Maybe Split N is on to something with his Beanpot envy theory.