BC Hockey '13-'14: The Quest To Make Holy Cross Transitive Property National Champs

[J.D.]

Re: BC Hockey '13-'14: The Quest To Make Holy Cross Transitive Property National Cham

Hockey East is way off. Teams focus 100% of energy trying to shut them down. Other lines greatly benefit by matching up vs their 3rd lines

seems to me that potential non-conference opponents will also do everything they can to try and stop the top line/make someone else beat them. also, i don't think anyone is arguing that BC's other lines don't benefit greatly by the opponent focusing on that top line.

one trick pony with a nice cast

holy contradiction.

 

[Hokydad]

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seems to me that potential non-conference opponents will also do everything they can to try and stop the top line/make someone else beat them. also, i don't think anyone is arguing that BC's other lines don't benefit greatly by the opponent focusing on that top line.



holy contradiction.

since hc game, 44 out of 77 they have had a hand in. that includes first penn state gm when they only were involved in 2/8 and WE KNOW THEY DIDNT PLAY AS MUCH. Funny how they played them at penn state a few weeks later, tougher gm and they scored all 3 in a 3-2 win

go figure...

one trick pony, goalie situation sorted out and a nice supporting cast. kind of like watching Bird, McHale and Parish. We all know how critical Jerry Sichting and Henry Finkell were...

 

[sterlippo1]

Re: BC Hockey '13-'14: The Quest To Make Holy Cross Transitive Property National Cham

FiveHole12, how's the popcorn?

 

[Hokydad]

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Hm I missed a goal and a point somewhere. I assume you are right and I missed one. Either way, lol hokydad

laugh, giggle, wink, whatever. 57% off of one line with blowouts where they didn't play as much, first penn state gm, last half of bowling green and so on

great one horse pony show, number one goalie firmly in hand and very good supporting cast.

 

[joegrav]

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since hc game, 44 out of 77 they have had a hand in. that includes first penn state gm when they only were involved in 2/8 and WE KNOW THEY DIDNT PLAY AS MUCH. Funny how they played them at penn state a few weeks later, tougher gm and they scored all 3 in a 3-2 win

go figure...

one trick pony, goalie situation sorted out and a nice supporting cast. kind of like watching Bird, McHale and Parish. We all know how critical Jerry Sichting and Henry Finkell were...

HAHAH Can you at least give us credit for doing the research for you?

So what was that about being involved in 75% of the goals? Back when we were saying look at the numbers, the top line contributes about 50-55% of the offense, you said "you're wrong, look at the box scores." So we did, and you moved the goalposts.

Nice work.

 

[J.D.]

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as of right now, hockey east would have six teams out of the 16 team tourney field. anyone know where to find hockey east's record against the other conferences?

you can talk about how this might be a down year for hockey east, but i think the point is if you look around the country...you'll come to the same conclusion about the other conferences.

 

[joegrav]

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great one horse pony show, number one goalie firmly in hand and very good supporting cast.

Sorry, for you to say a team is a "one trick pony" that also has a great goalie and a good supporting cast means that you obviously have no idea what any of those terms mean. You must be drunk. I'm going to have to see your license and registration before you continue posting.

 

[J.D.]

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great one horse pony show, number one goalie firmly in hand and very good supporting cast.

you've already changed your initial stance on this. at first it was just a one trick pony. and now it has morphed into the above. the fact you're now admitting that demko has emerged and there is a very good supporting cast outside of the top line...that doesn't help your argument. it's the exact opposite of a one trick pony. as a team, they have shown they can win in different ways.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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since hc game, 44 out of 77 they have had a hand in. that includes first penn state gm when they only were involved in 2/8 and WE KNOW THEY DIDNT PLAY AS MUCH.

Taking out your hand-cherry-picked Penn State game only adds 3% you freaking dope.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Didn't Hokydad once say that PC was the best academic school in Hockey East? His kid probably got into PC and not BC.

 

[joegrav]

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Taking out your hand-cherry-picked Penn State game only adds 3% you freaking dope.

And while we are cherry picking, this includes 6 out of 7 goals in a complete 7-2 wipeout of Maine, and 4 out of 6 in a 6-1 blowout of Merrimack.

Let's take a look at actual close games. The bolded games are ones decided by 2 or fewer goals

At Vermont: 3 out of 5
At Vermont: 1 / 4
[vs. Northeastern: 2 / 4
vs. Merrimack: 3 / 6
vs. BU: 2 / 3
at Providence: 1 / 2
at Penn State: 3 / 3
at Merrimack: 1 / 4
vs. Maine: 6 / 7
vs. BU 2 / 6
Brown 2 / 3
PC 3 / 5
ND 3 / 4
Penn State: 2 / 8
Bowling Green: 3 / 5
UNH: 2 / 2
UNH: 3 / 6

So if my quick math is right, that's a little more than 50% of BC's goals in close games.. just like in games overall.

Enjoy the cherry picking though

 

[Hokydad]

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HAHAH Can you at least give us credit for doing the research for you?

So what was that about being involved in 75% of the goals? Back when we were saying look at the numbers, the top line contributes about 50-55% of the offense, you said "you're wrong, look at the box scores." So we did, and you moved the goalposts.

Nice work.

yup, credit given

fyi, 50-55 is not 57%.

throw out garbage gms like penn state etc and it is what it is

if you think other coaches look at it differently you are delusional. when it counts if they don't stop them, they lose, period...

record before 9-4-2
record after 16-0-1

ho hum

trust me when I tell you the coaches out there would pay to have hayes back on his old line

 

[Hokydad]

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And while we are cherry picking, this includes 6 out of 7 goals in a complete 7-2 wipeout of Maine, and 4 out of 6 in a 6-1 blowout of Merrimack.

Let's take a look at actual close games. The bolded games are ones decided by 2 or fewer goals

At Vermont: 3 out of 5
At Vermont: 1 / 4
[vs. Northeastern: 2 / 4
vs. Merrimack: 3 / 6
vs. BU: 2 / 3
at Providence: 1 / 2
at Penn State: 3 / 3
at Merrimack: 1 / 4
vs. Maine: 6 / 7
vs. BU 2 / 6
Brown 2 / 3
PC 3 / 5
ND 3 / 4
Penn State: 2 / 8
Bowling Green: 3 / 5
UNH: 2 / 2
UNH: 3 / 6

So if my quick math is right, that's a little more than 50% of BC's goals in close games.. just like in games overall.

Enjoy the cherry picking though

yup, 3 players account for over 50% of production out of 18+ skaters

 

[joegrav]

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yup, credit given

fyi, 50-55 is not 57%.

throw out garbage gms like penn state etc and it is what it is

if you think other coaches look at it differently you are delusional. when it counts if they don't stop them, they lose, period...

record before 9-4-2
record after 16-0-1

ho hum

trust me when I tell you the coaches out there would pay to have hayes back on his old line

Yeah take a look up and see that we did dismiss the garbage games. It's the same story in close games.

You are making an argument against something that no BC fans are asserting. There are literally zero BC fans at this point who think the team isn't better off having the big line together. OBVIOUSLY it makes a huge difference for matchup reasons to have those guys on the same unit. THAT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT THING than a team being a one-line team or a one-trick pony.

BC last year had one good line and three lines that were bad. This year they have one historic, phenomenal line, and three that are various levels of pretty good. It's like the old joke about putting a good looking woman next to a supermodel. Or, put another way, it's like saying Providence is a bad academic school just because you're comparing it side by side with Notre Dame and BC. Widen the scope, look at all the facts, and you'll see that Providence is a fine school, definitely top half in prestige in Hockey East.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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yup, 3 players account for over 50% of production out of 18+ skaters

I thought it was 75%

 

[joegrav]

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yup, 3 players account for over 50% of production out of 18+ skaters

Actually, that's not what 50% of production means, dingus. We pointed out earlier that the big three account for 155/381 BC points (about 40%) and a little less than half of the goals. Then you moved the goalposts and said, well, if you look at the box scores, you'll see that the other players' production has dropped off since the lines changed, and the big line has a hand in 75% of BC goals. So we demonstrated that both of those assertions were wrong; now you're moving the goalposts yet again. You are very special.

 

[Hokydad]

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Yeah take a look up and see that we did dismiss the garbage games. It's the same story in close games.

You are making an argument against something that no BC fans are asserting. There are literally zero BC fans at this point who think the team isn't better off having the big line together. OBVIOUSLY it makes a huge difference for matchup reasons to have those guys on the same unit. THAT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT THING than a team being a one-line team or a one-trick pony.

BC last year had one good line and three lines that were bad. This year they have one historic, phenomenal line, and three that are various levels of pretty good. It's like the old joke about putting a good looking woman next to a supermodel. Or, put another way, it's like saying Providence is a bad academic school just because you're comparing it side by side with Notre Dame and BC. Widen the scope, look at all the facts, and you'll see that Providence is a fine school, definitely top half in prestige in Hockey East.

or one very good line and hockey east, which is worst it has been in many years.

you have an opinion, which I respect, I have one

end result is we both hope BC is there in the end.

hayes for hobey!!!

 

[Hokydad]

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Actually, that's not what 50% of production means, dingus. We pointed out earlier that the big three account for 155/381 BC points (about 40%) and a little less than half of the goals. Then you moved the goalposts and said, well, if you look at the box scores, you'll see that the other players' production has dropped off since the lines changed, and the big line has a hand in 75% of BC goals. So we demonstrated that both of those assertions were wrong; now you're moving the goalposts yet again. You are very special.

after hc game...

one pony show

and a nice supporting cast

very good goalie

 

[joegrav]

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or one very good line and hockey east, which is worst it has been in many years.

you have an opinion, which I respect, I have one

end result is we both hope BC is there in the end.

hayes for hobey!!!

"Well, that's my opinion, and you have your opinion, why can't we just respect eachothers' opinion" is the last vestige of someone who tries to state something as fact and is demonstrated to be wrong.

Your assertion about Hockey East is also factually incorrect. The streak continues!

That said, I'll accept that as your version of admitting you were wrong and apologizing for spewing BS without anything to back it up. No worries, it's all good.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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hockey east, which is worst it has been in many years.

Oh, well Jesus Christ, Hoky, why didn't you just SAY you were trolling from the beginning and you would have saved us all this trouble?

you have an opinion, which I respect, I have one

Yeah, no, mathematical facts aren't opinions, Mark.

end result is we both hope BC is there in the end.

Well of course.