Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

[Priceless]

Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

Never once has the discussion here been about what communities under siege can do to also reach across that aisle, it's that cops are morons coked up on testosterone ready to bully everyone they come across because it gives them an even bigger woody than sleeping with their shotgun. But nope the rhetoric and blame goes one way only and only by completely erasing negligent cops from the streets will the relationships improve, street level racial profiling won't be necessary, and all the people on the street making bad decisions that make it worse for everyone else will magically change their ways.

Thank you Pricelss, thank you.

Right. No one in this thread has defended the cops at all. And last I checked, you were also posting in this thread. So why don't you start a discussion about reaching across that aisle?

 

[The Rube]

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Right. No one in this thread has defended the cops at all. And last I checked, you were also posting in this thread. So why don't you start a discussion about reaching across that aisle?

I will.

Stop committing crimes, no matter how petty.
Do what the officer tells you to do. If you are then wrongfully arrested, it'll get sorted out later (and you may even get paid, due to a civil suit!).
Get to know your neighborhood officers and build a relationship with them. This might even start with offering them a cup of coffee on a cold day, or a lemonade on a hot day.
START SNITCHING.

I think that's a pretty basic start.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I will.

Stop committing crimes, no matter how petty.
Do what the officer tells you to do. If you are then wrongfully arrested, it'll get sorted out later (and you may even get paid, due to a civil suit!).
Get to know your neighborhood officers and build a relationship with them. This might even start with offering them a cup of coffee on a cold day, or a lemonade on a hot day.
START SNITCHING.

I think that's a pretty basic start.

You're assuming that the person is still alive. They'll shoot you even if you've done nothing against the law.

http://www.copblock.org/118613/over-100-people-killed-by-police-in-march/

 

[The Rube]

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Trolls gonna troll.

 

[Kepler]

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Trolls gonna troll.

Trolls are so 2008.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Right. No one in this thread has defended the cops at all. And last I checked, you were also posting in this thread. So why don't you start a discussion about reaching across that aisle?

Another meaningless and condescendingly *****ish retort. I never said anything about defending the cops - when they screw up they should be tried and prosecuted. What I actually said (and you even quoted but managed to miss) was no one is discussing how to fix the problem from both ends and only managing to blame the police.

 

[The Rube]

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Another meaningless and condescendingly *****ish retort. I never said anything about defending the cops - when they screw up they should be tried and prosecuted. What I actually said (and you even quoted but managed to miss) was no one is discussing how to fix the problem from both ends and only managing to blame the police.

Well, if you blame the criminal, I mean victim, you're racist. /totalsnarkIadmit

There's a criminal's code, and to modernize it, a thug's code. There's one major part of the problem. Why? Someone is always gonna rat. Might as well start snitching now.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Another meaningless and condescendingly *****ish retort. I never said anything about defending the cops - when they screw up they should be tried and prosecuted. What I actually said (and you even quoted but managed to miss) was no one is discussing how to fix the problem from both ends and only managing to blame the police.

Wrong. You were trying to defend the cops by using their lame "be in their shoes" excuse. Some of us cannot be in their shoes because they don't hire people with our intelligence quotient. Not to mention, we'd spend more time solving crimes instead of instigating them.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Well, if you blame the criminal, I mean victim, you're racist. /totalsnarkIadmit

There's a criminal's code, and to modernize it, a thug's code. There's one major part of the problem. Why? Someone is always gonna rat. Might as well start snitching now.

So you're admitting that martial law is going to happen, and that's going to be your way of surviving?

Oh, and BTW, when cops kill someone without due process, they consider themselves the victim so they can get away with it. I'm not sure you quite understand who the thug is.

 

[The Rube]

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So you're admitting that martial law is going to happen, and that's going to be your way of surviving?

Oh, and BTW, when cops kill someone without due process, they consider themselves the victim so they can get away with it. I'm not sure you quite understand who the thug is.

Where in the hell did you get that from?

I said one part of the problem of lack of trust between police and communities, is that there is a "code" of not snitching. Want to start to build that trust between cops and civilians? Start snitching on the criminal element and clean up the neighborhoods.

 

[Kepler]

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Want to start to build that trust between cops and civilians? Start snitching on the criminal element and clean up the neighborhoods.

And here I was thinking we should give the civilians the tools they need to better themselves, so criminality isn't a rational strategy.

Criminals in poor neighborhoods are making calculated decisions. Nice suburban kids are cramming for the SATs; bad ghetto kids are dealing drugs and housebreaking. Their motivations are exactly the same.

Piety's nice for church, but in the world you need to adjust the rewards and punishments. Right now the expected value on a non-criminal ghetto life is so low that being a criminal, even with the risks of incarceration or death, makes economic sense. Poor people play the lottery -- the odds are terrible but it's all they've got.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Where in the hell did you get that from?

I said one part of the problem of lack of trust between police and communities, is that there is a "code" of not snitching. Want to start to build that trust between cops and civilians? Start snitching on the criminal element and clean up the neighborhoods.

You're missing the point. Cops are not spending time solving crimes reported by a neighbourhood watch. They're spending time harassing drivers and instigating criminal activity, such as planting cocaine in a vehicle during an illegal search. If you want to do a sort of neighbourhood watch, that's fine. Amateur Radio operators, such as myself, participate in public service events that do just that. The point is that that's not what cops are concerned about. They're more concerned about revenue generation for both the department and the prison industrial complex.

 

[Kepler]

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They're more concerned about revenue generation for both the department and the prison industrial complex.

The beat cop doesn't care about that unless there's an incentive program (which there is in some places, which is totally sick). The beat cop in a rough neighborhood is screwed from both sides -- the community isn't cooperating and the state has turned him into an imperial storm trooper.

I'm sure it also changes your view of humanity to see the worst people day after day. My best friend growing up has been an insurance fraud attorney for the last decade (he's the guy your insurer gets to contest the claim when somebody dives in front of your car and then sues), and he's gone from having a balanced view of human nature to believing in a sort of secular total depravity, because 98% of the people he's met in his work are cheating and lying.

It makes sense that cops, who meet a lot of scum, start believing everybody is scum, especially because in our society we have cultural narratives that come with handy color-coding.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The beat cop doesn't care about that unless there's an incentive program (which there is in some places, which is totally sick). The beat cop in a rough neighborhood is screwed from both sides -- the community isn't cooperating and the state has turned him into an imperial storm trooper.

I'm sure it also changes your view of humanity to see the worst people day after day. My best friend growing up has been an insurance fraud attorney for the last decade (he's the guy your insurer gets to contest the claim when somebody dives in front of your car and then sues), and he's gone from having a balanced view of human nature to believing in a sort of secular total depravity, because 98% of the people he's met in his work are cheating and lying.

It makes sense that cops, who meet a lot of scum, start believing everybody is scum, especially because in our society we have cultural narratives that come with handy color-coding.

Actually, your totally sick alternative is what is happening. News from many PDs has shown that cops are reprimanded if they don't meet quotas the departments say don't exist, and I recall seeing something (can't remember which PD but I did post it on here a while back) where a promotion was given based upon the number of citations written.

Oh hey, I can hit my quota if I can find a way to tack on a resisting arrest charge, but I have to beat the person to make it look real.

 

[Priceless]

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Another good cop.

 

[The Rube]

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The Charleston cop? From what we know? Hang him.

The Billings MT cop, that CNN showed? He's alright.

Flagstaff vid/story that CNN is using? Um...........that's why we need to look at everything involved.

Split second decisions are difficult, and NEED to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

 

[trixR4kids]

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At least they had video of the Charleston shooting.

 

[Priceless]

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At least they had video of the Charleston shooting.

I wonder...if we didn't have that video, how many would have believed the cop's version of events? The one he gave before he knew video of the incident existed...

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Oh you mean like officer in the Ferguson shooting which has been backed up by every bit of evidence so far?

 

[joecct]

And here I was thinking we should give the civilians the tools they need to better themselves, so criminality isn't a rational strategy.

Criminals in poor neighborhoods are making calculated decisions. Nice suburban kids are cramming for the SATs; bad ghetto kids are dealing drugs and housebreaking. Their motivations are exactly the same.

Piety's nice for church, but in the world you need to adjust the rewards and punishments. Right now the expected value on a non-criminal ghetto life is so low that being a criminal, even with the risks of incarceration or death, makes economic sense. Poor people play the lottery -- the odds are terrible but it's all they've got.

Anyone read Starship Troopers? Not for the action sequences but for the social commentary that's laced in there between the bullets and bombs.