ASU Hockey

[ASUHockey]

Re: ASU Hockey

The whole "recruiting to ASU is easy" thing is a pile of steaming Eaves. ASU will really never become a destination for top end recruits. Arizona is not hockey in any shape matter or form. You can talk about weather, girls, parties, etc. End of the day players want to play in places that are associated with hockey, it will always be a last resort. there will always be 54 other programs that a player will consider before ASU. It was a nice rich guy experiment. Baseball or Golf, that's another story

I would strongly disagree with you on your ASU recruiting philosophy. I would be willing to bet that if in fact, you were to ask any "top end recruit" if he would consider ASU in his top 5 choices, the answer would be absolutely!! If you don't believe me, just ask some of the "top recruits" in your local area. I asked that very question to some of the top players when I went back home at Christmas.

 

[manurespreader]

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I would strongly disagree with you on your ASU recruiting philosophy. I would be willing to bet that if in fact, you were to ask any "top end recruit" if he would consider ASU in his top 5 choices, the answer would be absolutely!! If you don't believe me, just ask some of the "top recruits" in your local area. I asked that very question to some of the top players when I went back home at Christmas.

Maybe , but I bet some of those top end recruits are re thinking their commitment about now.

 

[ASUHockey]

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Maybe , but I bet some of those top end recruits are re thinking their commitment about now.

Yes, I would absolutely agree 100% with you if in fact there is a Power(s) trip and complete chaos in the Sun Devils dressing room. It could have a serious domino effect if it's not resolved quickly.

 

[Ronnieb]

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Ok, lets see. BC, BU, Nodak, Minny, Providence, Yale, Harvard, Michigan, Union, Notre Dame..................wait ASU has to be in the top 5. Cmon.

 

[Ronnieb]

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For the record, a note from UAA Alumnus Justin Bourne: http://www.jtbourne.com/college-student/


He's admitted on Twitter to it a few times as well, and said that fellow teammates had similar thoughts.

I did say 54 other programs

 

[Revs89]

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Yes, I would absolutely agree 100% with you if in fact there is a Power(s) trip and complete chaos in the Sun Devils dressing room. It could have a serious domino effect if it's not resolved quickly.

I have some close acquaintances around the athletic department and while I am not going to claim my sources are better than yours, just remember there are two sides to every story. As far as the doubts everyone here has on the program - I get it. This was an out of the box move by the University and it is on them to make it work and prove to everyone that ASU hockey is here to stay. I'm optimistic that they can make it work, but even if it doesn't, I'm glad they took the chance to give this great sport a try in the southwest.

 

[MaizeRage]

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He's admitted on Twitter to it a few times as well, and said that fellow teammates had similar thoughts.

And yet they never did it.

 

[SunDevils42]

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Looks like I came to the right place for ASU hockey discussion. Though the post I read about Masters leaving isn't exactly uplifting. I had a feeling after reading Schmidt and Zuccarini were leaving that something was amiss.

 

[MCWarrior1011]

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A Power(s) Trip leads to Chaos in the ASU Dressing Room

There is most definitely something weird going on in the Sun Devil Dressing room these days. I spoke with some very credible sources in the ASU Hockey World this past weekend who had some very interesting stories to share. Schmidt and Zucarrinni are no longer ASU Sun Devils which is old news by now but leads to all the new rumors. Masters is threatening to leave after he was asked to stay home from a recent road trip and is considering other College options at this time and has convinced a close teammate or 2 to consider using the same option. Other top players are not happy with Powers Chaotic approach and are weighing their options.

All three Captains were recently stripped of their C's and subsequently given to Newmeyer who was a healthy scratch on Saturday evening???

Maybe it was because they were playing three games in three game but they seemed to have no life on the bench and I was surprised that the coach was kind of lifeless even down 10-0. No fire it looked like to me. I said it to the guy next to me, we were talking about how it looked like they just gave up and rolled over but then we chalked it up to the fact that it was three games in three days. I saw the Friday night game against Lowell and thought you guys played really well with a lot of fight.

Do you think it would push the program into turmoil if you have a head coaching change in year one though?

 

[ASUHockey]

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Maybe it was because they were playing three games in three game but they seemed to have no life on the bench and I was surprised that the coach was kind of lifeless even down 10-0. No fire it looked like to me. I said it to the guy next to me, we were talking about how it looked like they just gave up and rolled over but then we chalked it up to the fact that it was three games in three days. I saw the Friday night game against Lowell and thought you guys played really well with a lot of fight.

Do you think it would push the program into turmoil if you have a head coaching change in year one though?

ASU has had an extremely tough travel schedule this season, often times playing top 10 ranked teams in the Nation, which has obviously taken it's toll on the entire team and staff. However, they knew this coming into the season and they needed to be prepared for the grind. Captains getting stripped of their C's, top players leaving the team and or being healthy scratches are all signs of chaos coaching. I questioned why a guy like Coach Hicks, a former NHL player did not step in and say something to veto the chaotic decisions. The response I received was surprising to say the least.

I personally don't think a coaching change is necessary at this time provided they can resolve some very critical issues with their top player(s) and learn from the mistakes made. Another top player was just recently mentioned in the Masters departure, however I have not been able to confirm this yet. I just hope they can all get beyond this turmoil, someday look back at it as "growing pains" and all look forward to a prosperous and exciting year 2 of NCAA D1 Hockey at ASU!!

 

[MCWarrior1011]

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ASU has had an extremely tough travel schedule this season, often times playing top 10 ranked teams in the Nation, which has obviously taken it's toll on the entire team and staff. However, they knew this coming into the season and they needed to be prepared for the grind. Captains getting stripped of their C's, top players leaving the team and or being healthy scratches are all signs of chaos coaching. I questioned why a guy like Coach Hicks, a former NHL player did not step in and say something to veto the chaotic decisions. The response I received was surprising to say the least.

I personally don't think a coaching change is necessary at this time provided they can resolve some very critical issues with their top player(s) and learn from the mistakes made. Another top player was just recently mentioned in the Masters departure, however I have not been able to confirm this yet. I just hope they can all get beyond this and someday look back at it as "growing pains" and all look forward to a prosperous and exciting year 2 of NCAA D1 Hockey.

my big fear would be top players leaving would give reservations to other top players going there in recruiting

 

[Ronnieb]

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I am all for the expansion of college hockey, totally in favor. Unfortunately this was ill conceived from the get go. Kind of like the guy that wins the lottery with no plan whatsoever. 32 million dollar mistake. No coaching staff, no facility, no top end players, no hockey market. I know it was cute and novel, but the money could have been better spent elsewhere. Though, this is a free market country for the time being

 

[SunDevils42]

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ASU has had an extremely tough travel schedule this season, often times playing top 10 ranked teams in the Nation, which has obviously taken it's toll on the entire team and staff. However, they knew this coming into the season and they needed to be prepared for the grind. Captains getting stripped of their C's, top players leaving the team and or being healthy scratches are all signs of chaos coaching. I questioned why a guy like Coach Hicks, a former NHL player did not step in and say something to veto the chaotic decisions. The response I received was surprising to say the least.

I personally don't think a coaching change is necessary at this time provided they can resolve some very critical issues with their top player(s) and learn from the mistakes made. Another top player was just recently mentioned in the Masters departure, however I have not been able to confirm this yet. I just hope they can all get beyond this turmoil, someday look back at it as "growing pains" and all look forward to a prosperous and exciting year 2 of NCAA D1 Hockey at ASU!!

Is Masters leaving a done deal?

 

[Patman]

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I am all for the expansion of college hockey, totally in favor. Unfortunately this was ill conceived from the get go. Kind of like the guy that wins the lottery with no plan whatsoever. 32 million dollar mistake. No coaching staff, no facility, no top end players, no hockey market. I know it was cute and novel, but the money could have been better spent elsewhere. Though, this is a free market country for the time being

This is quite wrong. While the Coyotes have been floundering ASU was still bringing in people to watch club hockey. The real issue is going into this without a credible plan for an arena and facilities. Even issues like dealing with coach/players is resolvable in the longer term. However, you can't go into a situation and assume it'll all come together on its own.

Even UConn will face this problem soon due to arena/facilities issues... you can't just "TA DA!" your way to an answer and assume it just works itself out. Money is only useful with a plan to execute and it seems like they went in with only partial commitments to the tools that they need to build a program. The real issue becomes existential insecurity which brings anxiety to the whole issue for ASU.

That being said, I believe support exists... but I feel the whole thing is held together by plaster of paris as opposed to steel.

 

[ASUHockey]

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Is Masters leaving a done deal?

I think the only person that can truthfully answer your question is Masters, himself. Although I feel my resources of information is highly credible, I believe we can only speculate until such time that Masters makes an official announcement.

 

[boblav1]

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I think the only person that can truthfully answer your question is Masters, himself. Although I feel my resources of information is highly credible, I believe we can only speculate until such time that Masters makes an official announcement.

His age may play a factor in his decision. According to the attached link he'll be 22 on 4/30/16. If he transfers he'll have have to sit out a full season which makes him 23 when he plays his next DI game. I assume he'll have 3 years of eligibility left.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=84767

 

[SunDevils42]

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I think the only person that can truthfully answer your question is Masters, himself. Although I feel my resources of information is highly credible, I believe we can only speculate until such time that Masters makes an official announcement.

That'd be a big blow. I hope he sticks with ASU. He's one of those players that gets on the ice and you feel like anything is possible.

 

[altazo]

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Players are able to compete in 4 seasons of NCAA hockey over a 5 year period. He would have to sit next season if he transferred to another D1 school and he would have 3 seasons of eligibility remaining. If he transferred down to a D3 school he would be able to play immediately.

I wouldn't worry so much about what Masters decides to do...

 

[davyd83]

Players are able to compete in 4 seasons of NCAA hockey over a 5 year period. He would have to sit next season if he transferred to another D1 school and he would have 3 seasons of eligibility remaining. If he transferred down to a D3 school he would be able to play immediately.

I wouldn't worry so much about what Masters decides to do...

Of course the proposed age based rule change could affect that.

 

[altazo]

Of course the proposed age based rule change could affect that.

Nah. I doubt that is going to happen and if it did surely there would be some sort of grandfather clause for existing NCAA players.

But yeah, I guess there would always be that possibility...