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ASU Hockey
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SunDevilBob
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Pirateasaur
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Re: ASU Hockey
Is this what ASU fans are hoping for? Maybe it's a home run but ask Ohio State what it's like playing in an arena that is 1/3 full on good nights.
Is this what ASU fans are hoping for? Maybe it's a home run but ask Ohio State what it's like playing in an arena that is 1/3 full on good nights.
SunDevilBob
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I'm thinking that since it would be designed with consideration for ASU hockey that it would be able to work out a way to more effectively "curtain-off" areas. Either that or a 2-3 ice sheet complex with a rink for the Coyotes, one for ASU, and maybe one for practices/public use.
I'm thinking that since it would be designed with consideration for ASU hockey that it would be able to work out a way to more effectively "curtain-off" areas. Either that or a 2-3 ice sheet complex with a rink for the Coyotes, one for ASU, and maybe one for practices/public use.
UML Puck Hawk
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That was my thought as well, but the thread was on the third page, so thought it might be worth discussing a bit
That was my thought as well, but the thread was on the third page, so thought it might be worth discussing a bit
Re: ASU Hockey
I have commented on this before, but can maybe add some more to it. Most know the Coyotes situation here has been shaky at best for many years. They now have probably four options. The less likely options would be to stay in Glendale as a tenant of AEG or partner with the Suns downtown. I have read the Suns are not keen on that idea. So that leaves them with going to the Reservation where the D-backs spring training home is located or partner with ASU. It sounds like the ASU deal is the one with the most legs. It would make sense from a fans perspective as most of their base was in that part of the Valley.
So where does ASU fit? As most of you have mentioned, a small 5-6k Arena would be ideal. But as I've pointed out, the school is in the second of a three phase makeover of the football stadium. That price tag is somewhere around 260 million. They are also faced with having to build a new basketball arena. That is why the Coyotes partnership looks to make the most sense. Coming up with the funds for a third project seems unlikely from my experiences around the University. We are not known for our fund raising prowess. Also, this joint venture would be on campus. Either on the golf course that is being turned into shops, restaurants, etc or on the other side of campus where the failed USA basketball complex was going to go.
My understanding is ASUs portion of the bill would be their practice sheet and office areas. The Coyotes and City would build the rest. So that price tag for ASU might be roughly 60 million. The donor that kicked this all off is rumored to be helping to foot that bill. So financially it makes the most sense. I'm sure there would also be shared revenues from suite sales and ads as well, which could only help.
Now is it ideal? Maybe not. But my hope would be that they are so far in front of it that you can build the arena with knowing ASU will host smaller crowds. So much like is done in Glendale, using curtains to close it in, but done even better.
Timing is critical in my opinion. ASU needs to solidify this endeavor as fast as possible so that the long term future of the program is safe. The AD made a bold move in coming aboard, but how would a new AD feel about this expensive project? And there are rumors abound that the AD might end up in the top chair of the NFL some day.
So lots of speculative info, but hopefully gives you guys some things to kick around. I for one hope it takes off and people embrace it. Getting it on campus as soon as possible is critical. Being out in Glendale is going to be very difficult to draw. Our last game against Team USA U-18 was disappointing in terms of crowd. I think the students on campus would embrace this sport. How could they not to be honest? It is fast and you can create electric in-game environments.
Sorry for the long post! But always excited to talk ASU pucks.
I have commented on this before, but can maybe add some more to it. Most know the Coyotes situation here has been shaky at best for many years. They now have probably four options. The less likely options would be to stay in Glendale as a tenant of AEG or partner with the Suns downtown. I have read the Suns are not keen on that idea. So that leaves them with going to the Reservation where the D-backs spring training home is located or partner with ASU. It sounds like the ASU deal is the one with the most legs. It would make sense from a fans perspective as most of their base was in that part of the Valley.
So where does ASU fit? As most of you have mentioned, a small 5-6k Arena would be ideal. But as I've pointed out, the school is in the second of a three phase makeover of the football stadium. That price tag is somewhere around 260 million. They are also faced with having to build a new basketball arena. That is why the Coyotes partnership looks to make the most sense. Coming up with the funds for a third project seems unlikely from my experiences around the University. We are not known for our fund raising prowess. Also, this joint venture would be on campus. Either on the golf course that is being turned into shops, restaurants, etc or on the other side of campus where the failed USA basketball complex was going to go.
My understanding is ASUs portion of the bill would be their practice sheet and office areas. The Coyotes and City would build the rest. So that price tag for ASU might be roughly 60 million. The donor that kicked this all off is rumored to be helping to foot that bill. So financially it makes the most sense. I'm sure there would also be shared revenues from suite sales and ads as well, which could only help.
Now is it ideal? Maybe not. But my hope would be that they are so far in front of it that you can build the arena with knowing ASU will host smaller crowds. So much like is done in Glendale, using curtains to close it in, but done even better.
Timing is critical in my opinion. ASU needs to solidify this endeavor as fast as possible so that the long term future of the program is safe. The AD made a bold move in coming aboard, but how would a new AD feel about this expensive project? And there are rumors abound that the AD might end up in the top chair of the NFL some day.
So lots of speculative info, but hopefully gives you guys some things to kick around. I for one hope it takes off and people embrace it. Getting it on campus as soon as possible is critical. Being out in Glendale is going to be very difficult to draw. Our last game against Team USA U-18 was disappointing in terms of crowd. I think the students on campus would embrace this sport. How could they not to be honest? It is fast and you can create electric in-game environments.
Sorry for the long post! But always excited to talk ASU pucks.
SunDevilBob
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Adam Wodon reporting that ASU is down to two conference choices and will decide soon. Likely leaning Big Ten, especially with the Notre Dame news, just needing to work out issue of conference networks.
Adam Wodon reporting that ASU is down to two conference choices and will decide soon. Likely leaning Big Ten, especially with the Notre Dame news, just needing to work out issue of conference networks.
manurespreader
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aparch
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Well that confirms it. WCHA not an option for ASU.
bravohankins
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It never was.....WCHA has nothing to offer ASU. As much as I would love to see my alma mater, BGSU, play here in PHX.....It would generate no buzz here for attendance, every other WCHA school is in the same boat.
Many more B1G alumni here, ASU will draw decent crowds for those teams and now Notre Dame as well. I was told a number of months ago the B1G was the goal for ASU and now with ND addition as an affiliate I think its pretty sure that will be the case.
The NCHC doesn't have anything to offer either, nobody here knows that CC or Denver or UMD are good hockey schools. UND would bring a big crowd down, but that's about it.
Look for ASU to B1G as team number 8 and affiliate number 2 to be announced around the Frozen Four.
It never was.....WCHA has nothing to offer ASU. As much as I would love to see my alma mater, BGSU, play here in PHX.....It would generate no buzz here for attendance, every other WCHA school is in the same boat.
Many more B1G alumni here, ASU will draw decent crowds for those teams and now Notre Dame as well. I was told a number of months ago the B1G was the goal for ASU and now with ND addition as an affiliate I think its pretty sure that will be the case.
The NCHC doesn't have anything to offer either, nobody here knows that CC or Denver or UMD are good hockey schools. UND would bring a big crowd down, but that's about it.
Look for ASU to B1G as team number 8 and affiliate number 2 to be announced around the Frozen Four.
SunDevil Hockey
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I completely agree. The reason the Big 10 keeps Northwestern is because Chicago is the 2nd largest alumni base for just about every Big 10 school. Every time the football team plays in Chicago the alumni and fund raising events are huge. I could see it happening on a smaller scale in Phoenix with Alumni golf outings and then heading to the games in the evening. Being in sales I cant tell you how many Wisco, Minn, ND, OSU, PSU, etc alums I run into. All said they would likely go see their teams play vs ASU even if they are not big hockey fans.
Besides UND, I doubt any NCHC games draw serious crowds out here. Phx is a very over saturated (NBA, NHL, WNBA, NFL, MLB, Spring Training, Pro Golf, Nascar, NCAA, etc.) sports market.
I completely agree. The reason the Big 10 keeps Northwestern is because Chicago is the 2nd largest alumni base for just about every Big 10 school. Every time the football team plays in Chicago the alumni and fund raising events are huge. I could see it happening on a smaller scale in Phoenix with Alumni golf outings and then heading to the games in the evening. Being in sales I cant tell you how many Wisco, Minn, ND, OSU, PSU, etc alums I run into. All said they would likely go see their teams play vs ASU even if they are not big hockey fans.
Besides UND, I doubt any NCHC games draw serious crowds out here. Phx is a very over saturated (NBA, NHL, WNBA, NFL, MLB, Spring Training, Pro Golf, Nascar, NCAA, etc.) sports market.
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You nailed it. ASU is a football school and those Big Ten schools are familiar and attractive to the fan base. Add in all of the alums and it does make sense. I really enjoyed following the WCHA this year and thought it would be a fun conference to be in, and they sure wanted us, but logically this was most likely the option.
Hopefully the arena portion comes up soon. Looking at the facility they built for North Dakota makes you envy a nice mid-sized arena here. But I would also understand working with the Coyotes. Either way, this thing is heating up and that is fun to see!
And they have some very cool scheduling stuff to come as well.
You nailed it. ASU is a football school and those Big Ten schools are familiar and attractive to the fan base. Add in all of the alums and it does make sense. I really enjoyed following the WCHA this year and thought it would be a fun conference to be in, and they sure wanted us, but logically this was most likely the option.
Hopefully the arena portion comes up soon. Looking at the facility they built for North Dakota makes you envy a nice mid-sized arena here. But I would also understand working with the Coyotes. Either way, this thing is heating up and that is fun to see!
And they have some very cool scheduling stuff to come as well.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: ASU Hockey
Just build one of these...build it, they will come. 17,000+ for bouncyball to 15,000+ for hockey. we should begin to fill it again soon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCMy8Kpmw0
Just build one of these...build it, they will come. 17,000+ for bouncyball to 15,000+ for hockey. we should begin to fill it again soon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCMy8Kpmw0
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Maybe don't copy the Kohl Center too closely since there's a good chunk of upper-level seats there with obstructed views for hockey (~2000 IIRC). It was designed for basketball and hockey was a secondary consideration.
Maybe don't copy the Kohl Center too closely since there's a good chunk of upper-level seats there with obstructed views for hockey (~2000 IIRC). It was designed for basketball and hockey was a secondary consideration.
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Pretty sure ASU will be ours *maniacal laugh*.
No, no, no. The Plan is for ASU to join the ECAC so that UA, NAU and UNM also join it just in time for me to retire to Santa Fe (Dr. Mrs.' family is in Tucson and Flagstaff).
Stop screwing it up with this B1G talk.
Pretty sure ASU will be ours *maniacal laugh*.
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I don't doubt this. It's also why hockey won't make it there once the novelty wears off, unless the school is committed to subsidizing it. An Ohio State alumnus will go see one game, maybe every other year. A committed hockey fan, the few Arizona has, doesn't care that Ohio State is in town. So it doesn't add up to much longevity for a big school in a small sport unless you're simply willing to throw money at it. Personally, I think developing a niche following in a smaller rink in the NCHC would be more sustainable.
I don't doubt this. It's also why hockey won't make it there once the novelty wears off, unless the school is committed to subsidizing it. An Ohio State alumnus will go see one game, maybe every other year. A committed hockey fan, the few Arizona has, doesn't care that Ohio State is in town. So it doesn't add up to much longevity for a big school in a small sport unless you're simply willing to throw money at it. Personally, I think developing a niche following in a smaller rink in the NCHC would be more sustainable.
No doubt. ASU to the B1G in a shared arena would be an even dumber move than the Coyotes playing in Glendale.
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Give it a chance. You may be surprised. Youth hockey continues to grow here and the the No. 1 pick in the upcoming NFL draft is from Scottsdale, AZ. The Coyotes drew very well when they were downtown and a move back to the east part of the Valley will once again draw big crowds. Once the student body gets a chance to experience this, it will be a big hit. As for an Arena, obviously something like North Dakota would be ideal, but an on campus Arena with the Coyotes would be fine if that happens. There is commitment from some very high level folks in the school outside of the athletic department that are making sure this gets its due. It is just going to take some time to build a base. As a club program it was virtually off everyone's radar, so this was year one in every sense.
Give it a chance. You may be surprised. Youth hockey continues to grow here and the the No. 1 pick in the upcoming NFL draft is from Scottsdale, AZ. The Coyotes drew very well when they were downtown and a move back to the east part of the Valley will once again draw big crowds. Once the student body gets a chance to experience this, it will be a big hit. As for an Arena, obviously something like North Dakota would be ideal, but an on campus Arena with the Coyotes would be fine if that happens. There is commitment from some very high level folks in the school outside of the athletic department that are making sure this gets its due. It is just going to take some time to build a base. As a club program it was virtually off everyone's radar, so this was year one in every sense.
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Now this is interesting. Can 3 teams in the same barn work??
http://arizonasports.com/story/629294/coyotes-likely-to-move-ahl-affiliate-to-tucson-next-season/
Now this is interesting. Can 3 teams in the same barn work??
http://arizonasports.com/story/629294/coyotes-likely-to-move-ahl-affiliate-to-tucson-next-season/