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Anyone going to attempt to publish a PairWise ranking for D III?

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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Who had Fredonia fourth?
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Guess SUNYAC is a stronger league than any of us suspected? Just like the old ECAC West? In all seriousness, that's not a very impressive schedule they've played. The only sniff of ranked teams on that schedule are the games with Geneseo and Oswego.
 
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It's looking like the WIAC is going to steal the at large bid normally reserved for the NCHA runner up this year.
 
spwood said:
Guess SUNYAC is a stronger league than any of us suspected? Just like the old ECAC West? In all seriousness, that's not a very impressive schedule they've played. The only sniff of ranked teams on that schedule are the games with Geneseo and Oswego.
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Makes sense with the SUNY doing really well in the UCHC cross over games this year. NEHC is very strong too. Just lacking the top level team that Geneseo/Oswego are. NEHC’s top 6 is the strongest the league has ever been and the 7th place team has beat two teams while they’ve been ranked top 15 in country.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Makes sense with the SUNY doing really well in the UCHC cross over games this year. NEHC is very strong too. Just lacking the top level team that Geneseo/Oswego are. NEHC’s top 6 is the strongest the league has ever been and the 7th place team has beat two teams while they’ve been ranked top 15 in country.
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The old ECAC-W would have benefited from a PWR to determine Pool C in many past seasons, in terms of garnered NCAA bids... Ironically, it morphed into the UCHC to that end, and is a far weaker conference as a result. (And yes, that's on RIT!)

As far as the top-end of SUNYAC goes, I could easily see any of the 3 aforementioned winning it all. Point is the best team I've seen this year, but not by much.
 
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Norwich jumps up four spots in the Pairwise Rankings with last night's win to 11th, including jumping THREE league opponents in Hobart, NEC and Babson.

A win or a tie today against UMass Boston could potentially jump into the top 10 with some help.
 
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Norwich jumps up to 9th in the Pairwise with the sweep of Babson/UMass Boston.
 
OZFEST said:
Nice rebound weekend for Norwich for sure
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Norwich is quietly 4-0-2 in the second semester with 3 wins over top-15 ranked teams and a tie with another one.

The Cadets’ SOS this year is VERY strong. Part of the reason why their so high in the pairwise.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Norwich is quietly 4-0-2 in the second semester with 3 wins over top-15 ranked teams and a tie with another one.

The Cadets’ SOS this year is VERY strong. Part of the reason why their so high in the pairwise.
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So with the games v the Top 15 teams behind us, is this our ceiling for PWR? Because I'm assuming that as the back-end of our schedule is against weaker opponents that our SOS will begin to take a hit. So, on the one hand you're (theoretically) winning more games, on the other your SOS is getting weaker at the same time. So the metrics kinda balance each other out. Does that make sense?
 
NU Pastime said:
So with the games v the Top 15 teams behind us, is this our ceiling for PWR? Because I'm assuming that as the back-end of our schedule is against weaker opponents that our SOS will begin to take a hit. So, on the one hand you're (theoretically) winning more games, on the other your SOS is getting weaker at the same time. So the metrics kinda balance each other out. Does that make sense?
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Yes this is our ceiling as far as SOS. Now we need to keep winning the games on paper we should and then also hope some of the other teams around us, especially non-conference teams keep losing a few.
 
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Gang

Look closely. The UCHC, CCC & MASCAC are outside the top 12. If anyone but Williams wins the NESCAC, Norwich is out as the At Large team on the bubble.

Now it's back to cya land
 
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joecct said:
Gang

Look closely. The UCHC, CCC & MASCAC are outside the top 12. If anyone but Williams wins the NESCAC, Norwich is out as the At Large team on the bubble.

Now it's back to cya land
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I think the stunner so far is how close St. Norbert might be to being left out. If anyone but Williams wins the NESCAC and anyone but St. Norbert wins the NCHA, I believe the Knights might be on the outside looking in as well.

As a sidebar, I wonder who the Pairwise would have selected for the tournament last year.

Finally, does the selection committee have any leeway like the Div I women do? (I believe they ignore St. Anselm even though they technically meet the qualifications and were ranked #5 in last year's rankings).
 
spwood said:
I think the stunner so far is how close St. Norbert might be to being left out. If anyone but Williams wins the NESCAC and anyone but St. Norbert wins the NCHA, I believe the Knights might be on the outside looking in as well.

As a sidebar, I wonder who the Pairwise would have selected for the tournament last year.

Finally, does the selection committee have any leeway like the Div I women do? (I believe they ignore St. Anselm even though they technically meet the qualifications and were ranked #5 in last year's rankings).
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That is because a D2 must play a mininum of 20 D1 games to be eligible for the tourney. St As did not meet this.
 
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Birdwatcher said:
That is because a D2 must play a mininum of 20 D1 games to be eligible for the tourney. St As did not meet this.
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After they were kicked out of their league, they played 5 games with 4 other teams in the same boat. They qualified, but were ignored come tournament time. (Got that from this Bracketology article.) St. Anselm is #1 in this year's Pairwise rankings thus far.
 
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spwood said:
I think the stunner so far is how close St. Norbert might be to being left out. If anyone but Williams wins the NESCAC and anyone but St. Norbert wins the NCHA, I believe the Knights might be on the outside looking in as well.
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That's a fact....too many ties...and the overall weak results from the majority of the NCHA teams this season has hurt.
Cheering for the Ephs!!
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Yes this is our ceiling as far as SOS. Now we need to keep winning the games on paper we should and then also hope some of the other teams around us, especially non-conference teams keep losing a few.
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SOS is not a criteria. Last year, beating JWU would hurt your RPI. This year, it doesn't.

A loss or a tie does hurt.
 
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joecct said:
SOS is not a criteria. Last year, beating JWU would hurt your RPI. This year, it doesn't.

A loss or a tie does hurt.
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SOS is included in RPI: 25-21-54 (%), Win%-OppWin%-OppOppWin% is how RPI is calculated. Beating bad teams does drop your RPI, however in D1 they have a caveat that any win that drops RPI is tossed out. I imagine D3 is doing the same?

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