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Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
BTW, folks. No more play-ups. They are deader than the Prezidential Three's title hopes....
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I think that is a very wrong headed concept - why not let a small school aspire to compete with the big dogs if they wish. It's all about the branding - can you imagine how bad the NCAA would look if one of the play ups won a national title :D. It would be even worse if the play up team were a DIII team. Oh the humanity of it all...( :D )
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
Da loophole....(Actually it's all legal)
1. Legislate a D-I/II National Collegiate mens ice hockey championship.
2. Move entire athletic program to D-II.
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What's the waiting period to move to DII these days - isn't it 5-7 years?
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
Da loophole....(Actually it's all legal)
1. Legislate a D-I/II National Collegiate mens ice hockey championship.
2. Move entire athletic program to D-II.
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Does this help the current D-I hockey teams any? or is there any reason why they would want to make it a National Collegiate championship rather than what they have now.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Does this help the current D-I hockey teams any? or is there any reason why they would want to make it a National Collegiate championship rather than what they have now.
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A lot of D-I ice hockey is made up of D-II play-ups. What a D-I/II NCC would allow is the formation of D-II leagues that would cut costs and not have, for example, a Lake State trying to compete with BCS Notre Dame. I foresee the day where D-I college hockey will look a like D-I basketball -- power conferences, mid majors, and the rest. Wherever you are in the landscape, you can find a conference that fits your budget.


NUProf said:
What's the waiting period to move to DII these days - isn't it 5-7 years?
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It's 7 years to cycle through D-II on your way to D-I. If you're just going from D-III to D-II, you have an X period to ensure compliance, but after year 2, you should be good to go for the championships.

If Clarkson University of Liberal Arts (to take a fictional school) wanted to reclassify from D-III to D-II, they really have to make sure it fits the mission of the entire athletic department and the school, not just one athletic team. So, do I really see anybody reclassifying up? No. The NCAA is putting enough roadblocks in place to make sure a college stays in its place.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
A lot of D-I ice hockey is made up of D-II play-ups. What a D-I/II NCC would allow is the formation of D-II leagues that would cut costs and not have, for example, a Lake State trying to compete with BCS Notre Dame. I foresee the day where D-I college hockey will look a like D-I basketball -- power conferences, mid majors, and the rest. Wherever you are in the landscape, you can find a conference that fits your budget.


It's 7 years to cycle through D-II on your way to D-I. If you're just going from D-III to D-II, you have an X period to ensure compliance, but after year 2, you should be good to go for the championships.

If Clarkson University of Liberal Arts (to take a fictional school) wanted to reclassify from D-III to D-II, they really have to make sure it fits the mission of the entire athletic department and the school, not just one athletic team. So, do I really see anybody reclassifying up? No. The NCAA is putting enough roadblocks in place to make sure a college stays in its place.
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Just as an aside. If there are midmajor conferences, are there lowmajor conferences. Isn't midmajor really just a wordy way of saying minor?

As for what I bolded, that's how the NCAA thinks - keep the little guys in their place - upward mobility is not to be encouraged.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Russell Jaslow said:
I smell a Title IX lawsuit coming from the RIT women...
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BUT if the moratorium is up, and they get the application in prior to 8/1/11, then the new by-law has no effect.

Alternatively, they could return the mens team to the days of yesteryear.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

NUProf said:
Just as an aside. If there are midmajor conferences, are there lowmajor conferences. Isn't midmajor really just a wordy way of saying minor?

As for what I bolded, that's how the NCAA thinks - keep the little guys in their place - upward mobility is not to be encouraged.
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Money drives the NCAA. To say otherwise is being naive.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
BUT if the moratorium is up, and they get the application in prior to 8/1/11, then the new by-law has no effect.
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I didn't pick up on the loophole.

Alternatively, they could return the mens team to the days of yesteryear.
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That's not going to happen.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Did anything come out of the Florida Coaches convention last week about the DII's being able to play and count towards DIII?
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

joecct said:
BUT if the moratorium is up, and they get the application in prior to 8/1/11, then the new by-law has no effect.

Alternatively, they could return the mens team to the days of yesteryear.
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I'm sure all Elmira fans would enjoy that. :D
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

cooperalls said:
Did anything come out of the Florida Coaches convention last week about the DII's being able to play and count towards DIII?
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IMO, the coaches have no say. This one is on the Presidents' desks and they have to poop or get off the pot.
 
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