Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

[Patronick]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

What shocks me is that there are people who honestly believe this won't effect every program at that school. Seriously? An institutional cover up of years of systematic rape and abuse of children isn't going to effect potential recruiting? In what universe does that make sense?

 

[J.D.]

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fangers, that alone is enough to answer this question with a "yes"

and ultimately, i think what you said is what's gonna happen over the next few years

 

[Jeff]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

What shocks me is that there are people who honestly believe this won't effect every program at that school. Seriously? An institutional cover up of years of systematic rape and abuse of children isn't going to effect potential recruiting? In what universe does that make sense?

Happy Valley

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Depends on how many options a recruit has - there are only so many DI spots. So the overal quality of their recruits may drop a bit, but I don't think it will result in no one wanting to take their scholarship $$$

This.

 

[fangers]

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What shocks me is that there are people who honestly believe this won't effect every program at that school. Seriously? An institutional cover up of years of systematic rape and abuse of children isn't going to effect potential recruiting? In what universe does that make sense?

Don't think I ever said it wouldn't impact them all to varying degree. And don't take it that I don't find the whole thing totally disgusting. But the relative scaricity of DI hockey spots will be something that does factor in like I said.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

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What shocks me is that there are people who honestly believe this won't effect every program at that school. Seriously? An institutional cover up of years of systematic rape and abuse of children isn't going to effect potential recruiting? In what universe does that make sense?

Another interesting angle that was discussed today on the radio was "What NCAA rules have been broken in this scandal?" Honestly this is a criminal matter and as much as the NCAA might want to jump down their throats, they may find it tough to find things related to NCAA rules that were violated by PSU. The only obvious one that was mentioned was "lack of institutional control." Sure the NCAA could issue a statement about how displeased they were with PSU, but in terms of black and white the crimes that were supposed to have taken place are not NCAA violations and therefore the NCAA may have its hands tied about handing out penalties.

Now granted, if that turns out to be the case and the university doesn't police themselves with some kind of self imposed sanctions, the public outcry and backlash would be even more brutal than it is now.

For the record, my original post never mentioned that other conference and I could care less about the Big Ten.

Ryan J

 

[Patronick]

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In addition to "Lack of Institutional Control", we have (from SI.com) :

"Articles 2.4 and 10.1 of the NCAA constitution command ethical conduct on behalf of coaches and others associated with athletic programs, and 2.4 expansively states, "These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

 

[Patman]

What shocks me is that there are people who honestly believe this won't effect every program at that school. Seriously? An institutional cover up of years of systematic rape and abuse of children isn't going to effect potential recruiting? In what universe does that make sense?

When penn state stops having some of the best academics in the nation and a massive alumni network, especially in the dc metro, then I'll start listening.

Yeah, they took a massive blind eye here but it is also not going to be the end of the world. I hardly think this is the beginning of the end of penn state as an institution but it will surely reform itself. Now, that churning could lead to some questions and drama but penn state is going nowhere.

 

[joecct]

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What if they strip the football team of scholarships for a 4 year period?

 

[Patronick]

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When penn state stops having some of the best academics in the nation and a massive alumni network, especially in the dc metro, then I'll start listening.

Yeah, they took a massive blind eye here but it is also not going to be the end of the world. I hardly think this is the beginning of the end of penn state as an institution but it will surely reform itself. Now, that churning could lead to some questions and drama but penn state is going nowhere.

Ya know, you're right. Having some of "the best academics in the nation" totally gives them a pass on the institution-wide, top down cover up of a decade of child rape. What was I thinking? No big deal, right Patman? They'll smooth this over and it'll be business as usual in Happy Valley. There's absolutely NO WAY this could have an effect on alumni donations, sports recruiting, revenue (the football program brings in a reported 50 million a year), attracting faculty or anything else. How silly of me.

 

[Osorojo]

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The statue of Joe Paterno will be replaced by a statue of Guy Gadowsky to preserve the culture of hero worship and devotion to sports revenue.

 

[fangers]

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Ya know, you're right. Having some of "the best academics in the nation" totally gives them a pass on the institution-wide, top down cover up of a decade of child rape. What was I thinking? No big deal, right Patman? They'll smooth this over and it'll be business as usual in Happy Valley. There's absolutely NO WAY this could have an effect on alumni donations, sports recruiting, revenue (the football program brings in a reported 50 million a year), attracting faculty or anything else. How silly of me.

Over react much? No one is giving them a pass, no one is saying it won't impact recruiting, donations or anything else. All people are saying is it will not be as bad as you seemingly want it to be. They will be penalized. Those involved, if not already gone, will be removed from the school. They will have to do a lot to earn people's respect back. But their enrollment will not drop to 0, nor will their donations. And FWIW, I am the farthest thing from a PSU fan you'll find.

 

[giwan]

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In addition to "Lack of Institutional Control", we have (from SI.com) :"Articles 2.4 and 10.1 of the NCAA constitution command ethical conduct on behalf of coaches and others associated with athletic programs, and 2.4 expansively states, "These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

The NCAA should really stay away from criminal matters. They can barely deal with tattoos and selling or memorabilia not to forget home loans.

The obvious people will leave the university in some way shape or form.\

What really should be done is PSU needs to fall on it's sword in some meaningful way and honestly that does not mean money just money. Example would be two years of no football or no home games, an empty stadium. Do something else in the stadium on those Saturdays. Yes this does punish many that had no connection but it also shows that those people realize the wrong that was done and hold themselves to a different standard.

I believe there is still more to this story, not sure it will ever all come out, and not saying he is in the clear but it is easy to pile on a dead guy.

 

[Patronick]

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The NCAA should really stay away from criminal matters. They can barely deal with tattoos and selling or memorabilia not to forget home loans.

The obvious people will leave the university in some way shape or form.\

What really should be done is PSU needs to fall on it's sword in some meaningful way and honestly that does not mean money just money. Example would be two years of no football or no home games, an empty stadium. Do something else in the stadium on those Saturdays. Yes this does punish many that had no connection but it also shows that those people realize the wrong that was done and hold themselves to a different standard.

I believe there is still more to this story, not sure it will ever all come out, and not saying he is in the clear but it is easy to pile on a dead guy.

You're spot on about what the program needs, but the NCAA has a duty to act here, and their by-laws give them the authority to do so.

You can't change a culture with a withholding of scholarships or a ban of post-season play. USC has proven that the power these elite programs have with their cult-like fan bases will survive things like that.

They have to nuke Happy Valley from orbit, i.e. two years of no football. Players all get a free transfer. It took SMU about 25 years to pull of it, hopefully it will do the same to Penn State. THAT'S the kind of culture shock you need to get through to these people that what happened is one of the sickest, most depraved acts imaginable, and this is how you react.

 

[jjmc85]

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Ya know, you're right. Having some of "the best academics in the nation" totally gives them a pass on the institution-wide, top down cover up of a decade of child rape. What was I thinking? No big deal, right Patman? They'll smooth this over and it'll be business as usual in Happy Valley. There's absolutely NO WAY this could have an effect on alumni donations, sports recruiting, revenue (the football program brings in a reported 50 million a year), attracting faculty or anything else. How silly of me.

I really hope you are right, but I think you are wrong. Has anyone backed out of their commitments? A quick scan of a Penn State board shows at least three have confirmed they are still committed.

For example.

Then there is also this.

I think you're underestimating how important the fact is that they are a Big 10 school. There is so much money in Penn State athletics, and unfortunately, money always wins. In a perfect world you would be right. This world is far from perfect.

Case in point: How long did it take Penn State to find a new Football coach?

Compare to how long it's taken UMass to find a new hockey coach.

Even as a Lowell fan, tell me that's not messed up.

 

[Happy]

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Ya know, you're right. Having some of "the best academics in the nation" totally gives them a pass on the institution-wide, top down cover up of a decade of child rape. What was I thinking? No big deal, right Patman? They'll smooth this over and it'll be business as usual in Happy Valley. There's absolutely NO WAY this could have an effect on alumni donations, sports recruiting, revenue (the football program brings in a reported 50 million a year), attracting faculty or anything else. How silly of me.

Not to be crude, but with Sandusky in jail what's really the odds of another homo pedophile associated with Penn State running around on the loose?

 

[Onion Man]

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The scandal should absolutely not affect PSU hockey. I do think PSU should do the honorable thing and suspend the football program for the upcomign season. Thats the only way the University could actually send a positive response to this. I doubt they will

 

[Osorojo]

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Not to be crude, but with Sandusky in jail what's really the odds of another homo pedophile associated with Penn State running around on the loose?

Your implied conclusion is that putting one child rapist in jail will somehow eliminate others in the area. Experience shows otherwise.

 

[4four4]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

What if they strip the football team of scholarships for a 4 year period?

The statue of Joe Paterno will be replaced by a statue of Guy Gadowsky to preserve the culture of hero worship and devotion to sports revenue.

The NCAA should really stay away from criminal matters. They can barely deal with tattoos and selling or memorabilia not to forget home loans.

The obvious people will leave the university in some way shape or form.\

What really should be done is PSU needs to fall on it's sword in some meaningful way and honestly that does not mean money just money. Example would be two years of no football or no home games, an empty stadium. Do something else in the stadium on those Saturdays. Yes this does punish many that had no connection but it also shows that those people realize the wrong that was done and hold themselves to a different standard.

I believe there is still more to this story, not sure it will ever all come out, and not saying he is in the clear but it is easy to pile on a dead guy.

How does the above statements effect the hockey program?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Like I said sorry and no way a B's fan....Montreal.

Since they were the only hockey I could watch when I was young, you're forgiven.