Antiwork

[JF_Gophers]

Speaking of Bezos:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeff-bezos-says-life-balance-111400459.html




I mean, get the fuck out of here with this.

I'm fine with a work/life circle. As long as 40-45 hrs of that circle are work, and the rest of the hours in that circle are life.

 

[MichVandal]

When you work from home you're always at work.

You are doing it wrong.

"Breaks" are much more pleasant- since I can go outside and work on my garden, or look at something on a project. Lunch is a whole lot better at home (and cheaper). I don't have to worry about that person who stops by the office just to talk- I can't stand that person. And the only real requirement is to know how to separate the time.

And I'm happy giving work my commute time- it's not really added any realistic burden.

Maybe it's easier since I'm a work to live person- so I've never taken on the pressure to "work" extra time which was completely pointless.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Before, when I'd snap awake at 0315 with the design of how to do something I'd write it down and go back to sleep. Now I get up and start working on it because I can go to my office in my pajamas.

 

[MichVandal]

Before, when I'd snap awake at 0315 with the design of how to do something I'd write it down and go back to sleep. Now I get up and start working on it because I can go to my office in my pajamas.

Then it sucks to be you.

 

[unofan]

No one's epitath has ever been "I wished I had worked more."

The devil's biggest trick has been making hundreds of millions of people worldwide believe that leisure time is a sin.

 

[Swansong]

You are doing it wrong.

"Breaks" are much more pleasant- since I can go outside and work on my garden, or look at something on a project. Lunch is a whole lot better at home (and cheaper). I don't have to worry about that person who stops by the office just to talk- I can't stand that person. And the only real requirement is to know how to separate the time.

And I'm happy giving work my commute time- it's not really added any realistic burden.

Maybe it's easier since I'm a work to live person- so I've never taken on the pressure to "work" extra time which was completely pointless.

Agreed. Most days at lunch I go outside, fill the bird feeders, water the flowers and my herb garden and just generally think about things other than work for a few minutes.

Today was not one of those days, but that's more the exception.

 

[The Sicatoka]

The whole easy lunch, no commute, types of things I get. Hearing the garbage/recycling truck coming when you've forgotten to put the cans out is great! But when I'm home I think of all the things I want to get done around the house and yard. I find being home can be a distraction all its own.

 

[Swansong]

I was leading a subject matter expert meeting two weeks ago (about 20 MDs giving us clinical input on a bunch of IT stuff) and the normal trash truck, the recycling truck and the dumpster truck all came by during that hour. It was lovely to lead a meeting with that happening outside my window.

 

[The Sicatoka]

I was leading a subject matter expert meeting two weeks ago (about 20 MDs giving us clinical input on a bunch of IT stuff) and the normal trash truck, the recycling truck and the dumpster truck all came by during that hour. It was lovely to lead a meeting with that happening outside my window.

The roofers on my and nearby roofs the last two weeks has been spec-tac-u-lar. (Hail storm rolled through last August.)

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

No one's epitath has ever been "I wished I had worked more."

The devil's biggest trick has been making hundreds of millions of people worldwide believe that leisure time is a sin.

Labor's biggest failing was never really truly revisiting the 8 hour day standard. As productivity climbed year after year and workers almost never really shared in the prosperity labor should have been demanding shorter work days or weeks. And because of the ease of communication and connectivity and computing, we actually work more hours than we used to. But labor has not championed this to any great extent since the passage of the Fair Labor Standards Act almost 90 years ago. It is a huge failing. The "standard" workday should have been shortened to 6 hours or 4 days decades ago.

 

[Kepler]

Labor's biggest failing was never really truly revisiting the 8 hour day standard. As productivity climbed year after year and workers almost never really shared in the prosperity labor should have been demanding shorter work days or weeks. And because of the ease of communication and connectivity and computing, we actually work more hours than we used to. But labor has not championed this to any great extent since the passage of the Fair Labor Standards Act almost 90 years ago. It is a huge failing. The "standard" workday should have been shortened to 6 hours or 4 days decades ago.

Labor targeted a 4-day / 24-hour work week almost immediately upon getting 5/40. Obviously with gains in productivity and profitability we should be down to something like 3/12 or 2/6 by now.

Money bribes politicians in democracies. The next system which succeeds democracy and capitalism has to end that, the way democracy ended only the rich having a formal say in aristocracy/mercantilism. We aren't at the end of progress, we are still only in the middle.

Fuck the owners. Their money is needed, they are not, and that money could as easily be the workers' rather than those parasites.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Labor targeted a 4-day / 24-hour work week almost immediately upon getting 5/40. Obviously with gains in productivity and profitability we should be down to something like 3/12 or 2/6 by now.

Money bribes politicians in democracies. The next system which succeeds democracy and capitalism has to end that, the way democracy ended only the rich having a formal say in aristocracy/mercantilism. We aren't at the end of progress, we are still only in the middle.

Fuck the owners. Their money is needed, they are not, and that money could as easily be the workers' rather than those parasites.

I think a 4/24 or 4/28 seems more in line with the expectations of output per hour. I'm at the point where two-day weekends just don't let me decompress to a healthy point. I'd even take a 4/32 at this point. I'd like to think my grandchildren will look back at the early 21st century as the modern US equivalent of indentured servitude.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

the way democracy ended only the rich having a formal say in aristocracy/mercantilism.

It did?

 

[Swansong]

I think a 4/24 or 4/28 seems more in line with the expectations of output per hour. I'm at the point where two-day weekends just don't let me decompress to a healthy point. I'd even take a 4/32 at this point. I'd like to think my grandchildren will look back at the early 21st century as the modern US equivalent of indentured servitude.

I agree. I'm exhausted by the end of the work day and use weekends for everything... except resting.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I agree. I'm exhausted by the end of the work day and use weekends for everything... except resting.

My wife (masters in therapy) has told me I'm showing signs of stress injury. It's been a wake up call sort of. I'm trying to destress but it's just been difficult. I need a new job.

This weekend went camping and the first day I just couldn't stay in the moment with the four of us. It was basically like my brain went into a deep fog and I couldn't even focus. I just zoned out.

 

[Swansong]

Boy do I get that. I need 2-3 days before I stop reflexively checking work emails or chat messages. I really like my job overall and I understood going in that, as a manager, 24 hour access (not work, but emergency access) was expectation. Unfortunately we've had this whole pandemic thing so there's always some urgent thing going on (get testing sites set up, get test interfaces working with the state, get telemedicine implemented, figure out how to manage your team remotely, then the ransomware attack last summer, then the vaccines and vaccine clinics, now it's corporate restructuring...).


I need like 10-14 solid days off. 3 to get my mind out of work mode, and the rest to relax.

 

[Kepler]

It did?

"formal"

 

[SJHovey]

I'd like to think my grandchildren will look back at the early 21st century as the modern US equivalent of indentured servitude.

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

 

[jerphisch]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

How about simply acknowledging gains in productivity through reduced work weeks? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57724779

 

[Kepler]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

Spoken like a Lochner conservative arguing against the 40-hour work week.

Your argument carries no weight because of the tremendous inequality of the distribution of the proceeds of our system. If we were all in it together then you might have a point, but the people who do the work are carrying parasites who accrue all the wealth. That invalidates everything in your statement.