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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

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MichVandal said:
Given the change in opinion to repeal the 2nd over time, I think it's more possible than anyone thinks. The public can overturn it, and the SCOTUS can do nothing about it.
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No, the public cannot. It would require ratification by 38 state legislatures. There are currently only 18 where both houses are controlled by Democrats (2 split and 30 R). To get to 38, you’d have to pick up both splits (MN and AK). NE is unicameral, so then you’d need a further 37 R chambers (for a total of 39) to vote against party and donor doctrine to get it done. There are only 61 R chambers, so you’re talking about flipping at a very minimum 39 out of 61 R chambers. Keep in mind that it is likely that many of those chambers probably have rules that allow a single Member (a la Mitch McConnell) to prevent even getting a vote, so not only do enough Rs have to flip - they have to be the RIGHT ones.

It’s far more likely that the current SCOTUS uses Corlett to take the opportunity to declare that the 2nd amendment really only applies to state-controlled national guards. Not. Happening.
 
SJHovey said:
I think there are two options.

One, you can call a Constitutional convention, but that requires a vote of 2/3 of the state legislatures to get that done, and at that point all bets are off with respect to what gets done when they start re-writing the constitution.

Option two is that both houses of Congress have to pass the proposed repeal, by a 2/3 majority, then it gets sent to the states. 3/4ths of the states have to approve it. That can be done by the state legislatures, or it can be done by state conventions.
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Either way, it still has to be ratified by 75% of the state legislatures (governors cannot veto). 2/3 of states to call the convention, but 3/4 to ratify the results of the convention’s work.
 
A constitutional convention is handing the new Constitution to ALEC. There's a reason they've been trying to get one of those for decades
 
bronconick said:
A constitutional convention is handing the new Constitution to ALEC. There's a reason they've been trying to get one of those for decades
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Yeah, and we came real close a few years ago to having enough Republican run Legislatures to have it happen.
 
SJHovey said:
One, you can call a Constitutional convention, but that requires a vote of 2/3 of the state legislatures to get that done, and at that point all bets are off with respect to what gets done when they start re-writing the constitution.
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LOL, no dude. That's how you wind up with the dumbest most vicious people in the farm belt imprisoning the most educated and productive people on the coasts.

What we do is kick the hayseeds out or dilute their EV like in The Social Network.
 
You are all missing the point that the general attitude to repeal the 2nd is growing. If nothing is done and the mass shootings just get worse, the number of people who will want to repeal it will grow. And if that growth gets high enough, it can get repealed.

So do something now, before it's too late. How the gun industry misses that is beyond me.
 
MichVandal said:
You are all missing the point that the general attitude to repeal the 2nd is growing. If nothing is done and the mass shootings just get worse, the number of people who will want to repeal it will grow. And if that growth gets high enough, it can get repealed.

So do something now, before it's too late. How the gun industry misses that is beyond me.
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Have you met the Republican Mentality since ~1980? They've been all or nothing for a long long time now. They don't compromise. On anything. Especially if it's a money generator issue.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Have you met the Republican Mentality since ~1980? They've been all or nothing for a long long time now. They don't compromise. On anything. Especially if it's a money generator issue.
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Just saw a Gallup poll that suggests that 56% of Americans are dissatisfied with the current gun control laws. That's up by 14 points since 2012.

Do people really think that the system can go on unchanged w/o consequences?

Feel free to ignore it. I just don't see that working out all that well. And if the SCOTUS makes it easier to carry, and the natural result will be more people getting killed.... Yea.
 
MichVandal said:
Just saw a Gallup poll that suggests that 56% of Americans are dissatisfied with the current gun control laws. That's up by 14 points since 2012.

Do people really think that the system can go on unchanged w/o consequences?

Feel free to ignore it. I just don't see that working out all that well. And if the SCOTUS makes it easier to carry, and the natural result will be more people getting killed.... Yea.
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It may be collapsing. I hope you're right. I just don't see it. Look at the numbers for abortion and look at all the laws Republicans are proposing and getting passed in the backwoods areas of the United States.
 
MichVandal said:
Just saw a Gallup poll that suggests that 56% of Americans are dissatisfied with the current gun control laws.
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What does "dissatisfied" mean? It could mean they want all gun laws abolished so they can play pew pew in the streets.

If SCOTUS really does strike down every gun control law in the US it's going to be like Lochner: even people who valued economic freedom knew it was insane to strike down child labor and wage slavery restrictions.

The orcs can't help themselves: the instant they get a head of steam they immediately give themselves away: stop blacks from voting, militarize the cops, criminalize protest (ours, not theirs), legalize death squads, end taxes on the rich, establish herp-a-Christ as the state religion and harass or imprison any non-conformists. Wherever the Right takes over, in any country, it's always the same Pinochet Bolsonaro Franco Dump Mussolini Duterte creepshow.
 
Kepler said:
What does "dissatisfied" mean? It could mean they want all gun laws abolished so they can play pew pew in the streets.

If SCOTUS really does strike down every gun control law in the US it's going to be like Lochner: even people who valued economic freedom knew it was insane to strike down child labor and wage slavery restrictions.

The orcs can't help themselves: the instant they get a head of steam they immediately give themselves away: stop blacks from voting, militarize the cops, criminalize protest (ours, not theirs), legalize death squads, end taxes on the rich, establish herp-a-Christ as the state religion and harass or imprison any non-conformists. Wherever the Right takes over, in any country, it's always the same Pinochet Bolsonaro Franco Dump Mussolini Duterte creepshow.
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It's a trend. It means that American's are increasingly not happy with gun laws. If they are further undone, and more people die, I would expect that the number will just get higher. At some point, a tipping point to get rid of the 2nd will be reached, as I see it.

I'm generally pro second, but not for unlimited rights- it does say "well regulated"- so reducing the killing effectiveness of guns should be done. But is we all continue to ignore it, or backtrack even more... Well, don't be all that surprised when there's a real movement to repeal the 2nd.
 
Personally I went from respecting people's 2A rights to absolutely not giving a sh-t about 2A and wanting a total ban.
 
Kepler said:
Personally I went from respecting people's 2A rights to absolutely not giving a sh-t about 2A and wanting a total ban.
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I will respect people's 2A rights if they have taken the steps to be "well-regulated" and they support reasonable legislation to that effect. Unfortunately, it has been my experience over the years that the kind of lout who parades around with his firearms on full display doesn't give a sh*t about basic firearm safety, let alone reasonable legislative proposals, or critical thinking in a tense situation. Therefore you might very well get your wish someday, but I suspect it's not going to be in our lifetimes and it probably won't happen in the current configuration of the United States.
 
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MichVandal said:
You are all missing the point that the general attitude to repeal the 2nd is growing. If nothing is done and the mass shootings just get worse, the number of people who will want to repeal it will grow. And if that growth gets high enough, it can get repealed.

So do something now, before it's too late. How the gun industry misses that is beyond me.
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There is no chance the 2nd gets repealed or that people would ever overwhelmingly support it. Hell I hate guns and even I am not sure I support it. Repealing the Second won't make any of this go away.
 
MichVandal said:
Just saw a Gallup poll that suggests that 56% of Americans are dissatisfied with the current gun control laws. That's up by 14 points since 2012.

Do people really think that the system can go on unchanged w/o consequences?

Feel free to ignore it. I just don't see that working out all that well. And if the SCOTUS makes it easier to carry, and the natural result will be more people getting killed.... Yea.
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Yeah what? Just because people want to make it harder to get guns /= they want to end gun ownership which apparently you think is coming.

There is a better chance they repeal parts of the First than there is of 2A going away. (and neither will ever happen)
 
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