The NCAA is 100% ok with these figures by the way. We might not think it's great but for them these are good numbers.
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Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
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The NCAA is 100% ok with these figures by the way. We might not think it's great but for them these are good numbers.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Lookit....
Hosts get to play in their “rink” because they commit time and effort.
There was a time mookie got to see foh financials and when terriors hosted in Worcester there was a loss. Sizable.
Understanding that if a team can be assured of at least being able to play THERE if they make it, khalas
PC isn’t the host, bron is.
Ipso facto the benefit is unwarranted
Lookit....
Hosts get to play in their “rink” because they commit time and effort.
There was a time mookie got to see foh financials and when terriors hosted in Worcester there was a loss. Sizable.
Understanding that if a team can be assured of at least being able to play THERE if they make it, khalas
PC isn’t the host, bron is.
Ipso facto the benefit is unwarranted
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
At home rinks of a host
1994 MSU lost at Munn
1995 Wisconsin won and lost at Dane County Coliseum
1996 MSU lost at Munn
1998 Michigan won twice at Yost
2002 Michigan won twice at Yost
2003 Minnesota won twice at Marriucci
2003 Michigan won twice at Yost
2005 Minnesota won twice at Marriucci
2006 UND won twice at Ralph Englstad Arena
2008 Colorado College lost at Colorado Springs World Arena
2008 Wisconsin won and lost at Kohl Center
record: 14-5 0.739
The same city/neighboring city
2012 Minnesota won twice at St. Paul
2014 Minnesota won twice at St. Paul
2015 PC won twice at Providence
2017 PC lost at Providence
2019 PC won twice at Providence
record 8-1 0.889
within 75 or so miles (I did not measure, so I likely missed some)
1992 Michigan won at Detroit
1992 BU lost at Providence
1993 Michigan won at Detroit
1993 Harvard lost at Worcester
1993 BU won at Worcester
1994 RPI lost at Albany
1994 MI won at East Lansing
1995 BU won at Worcester
1996 MI won at East Lansing
1997 BU won at Worcester
1997 MSU lost at Grand Rapids
1998 MSU lost at Ann Arbor
2001 BC won at Worcester
2001 MSU won at Grand Rapids
2002 BU lost at Worcester
2002 Harvard lost at Worcester
2002 MSU lost at Ann Arbor
2003 BC won and lost at Providence
2003 BU won and lost at Worcester
2003 Wayne State lost at Yost
2004 DU won twice at Colorado Springs
2004 MSU lost at Grand Rapids
2004 UNH lost at Manchester
2005 BC won and lost at Worcester
2005 BU lost at Worcester
2006 BU won and lost at Worcester
2006 BC won twice at Worcester
2007 MSU won twice at Grand Rapids
2007 BC won twice at Manchester
2008 BC won twice at Worcester
2009 BU won twice at Manchester
2009 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2010 BC won twice at Worcester
2010 St. Cloud won and lost at St. Pual
2011 Yale won and lost at Bridgeport
2011 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2012 BC won twice at Worcester
2013 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2013 UML won twice at Manchester
2013 BC lost at Providence
2014 Quinnipiac lost at Bridgeport
2014 BC won twice at Worcester
2014 UML won and lost at Worcester
2015 BU won twice at Manchester
2015 BC lost at Providence
2015 UND won twice at Fargo
2016 BC won twice at Worcester
2016 PC lost at Worcester
2016 Harvard lost at Worcester
2016 St. Cloud lost at St. Paul
2017 UML won and lost at Manchester
2017 Harvard won twice at Providence
2017 UND lost at Fargo
2018 Princeton lost at Allentown
2018 BU won and lost at Worcester
2018 NU lost at Worcester
2019 NU lost at Providence
2019 UMass won twice at Manchester
2019 Harvard lost at Mancester
record: 52-34 0.605
Sean
I don't claim this is 100% accurate, but in quickly looking at the brackets I came up with the following:
At home rinks of a host
1994 MSU lost at Munn
1995 Wisconsin won and lost at Dane County Coliseum
1996 MSU lost at Munn
1998 Michigan won twice at Yost
2002 Michigan won twice at Yost
2003 Minnesota won twice at Marriucci
2003 Michigan won twice at Yost
2005 Minnesota won twice at Marriucci
2006 UND won twice at Ralph Englstad Arena
2008 Colorado College lost at Colorado Springs World Arena
2008 Wisconsin won and lost at Kohl Center
record: 14-5 0.739
The same city/neighboring city
2012 Minnesota won twice at St. Paul
2014 Minnesota won twice at St. Paul
2015 PC won twice at Providence
2017 PC lost at Providence
2019 PC won twice at Providence
record 8-1 0.889
within 75 or so miles (I did not measure, so I likely missed some)
1992 Michigan won at Detroit
1992 BU lost at Providence
1993 Michigan won at Detroit
1993 Harvard lost at Worcester
1993 BU won at Worcester
1994 RPI lost at Albany
1994 MI won at East Lansing
1995 BU won at Worcester
1996 MI won at East Lansing
1997 BU won at Worcester
1997 MSU lost at Grand Rapids
1998 MSU lost at Ann Arbor
2001 BC won at Worcester
2001 MSU won at Grand Rapids
2002 BU lost at Worcester
2002 Harvard lost at Worcester
2002 MSU lost at Ann Arbor
2003 BC won and lost at Providence
2003 BU won and lost at Worcester
2003 Wayne State lost at Yost
2004 DU won twice at Colorado Springs
2004 MSU lost at Grand Rapids
2004 UNH lost at Manchester
2005 BC won and lost at Worcester
2005 BU lost at Worcester
2006 BU won and lost at Worcester
2006 BC won twice at Worcester
2007 MSU won twice at Grand Rapids
2007 BC won twice at Manchester
2008 BC won twice at Worcester
2009 BU won twice at Manchester
2009 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2010 BC won twice at Worcester
2010 St. Cloud won and lost at St. Pual
2011 Yale won and lost at Bridgeport
2011 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2012 BC won twice at Worcester
2013 UNH won and lost at Manchester
2013 UML won twice at Manchester
2013 BC lost at Providence
2014 Quinnipiac lost at Bridgeport
2014 BC won twice at Worcester
2014 UML won and lost at Worcester
2015 BU won twice at Manchester
2015 BC lost at Providence
2015 UND won twice at Fargo
2016 BC won twice at Worcester
2016 PC lost at Worcester
2016 Harvard lost at Worcester
2016 St. Cloud lost at St. Paul
2017 UML won and lost at Manchester
2017 Harvard won twice at Providence
2017 UND lost at Fargo
2018 Princeton lost at Allentown
2018 BU won and lost at Worcester
2018 NU lost at Worcester
2019 NU lost at Providence
2019 UMass won twice at Manchester
2019 Harvard lost at Mancester
record: 52-34 0.605
Sean
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Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Ask Jack Hayes if he wanted PC at the Dunk after they forked over the $$$ to host the regional.
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Ask Jack Hayes if he wanted PC at the Dunk after they forked over the $$$ to host the regional.
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Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
All that! Amen!
Okay, people are passionate about hockey, which is great, but the fact is, in the end, this is a money game - for NCAA revenue, TV rights (and revenue), host schools revenue and fans' personal expense.
All that! Amen!
Okay, people are passionate about hockey, which is great, but the fact is, in the end, this is a money game - for NCAA revenue, TV rights (and revenue), host schools revenue and fans' personal expense.
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Right. As I said in another thread, I'm guessing the jackpot for him would have been BC and BU at the Dunk, or either one and PC. Without those teams, why would Brown bid at all? for BGSU and AIC?
Right. As I said in another thread, I'm guessing the jackpot for him would have been BC and BU at the Dunk, or either one and PC. Without those teams, why would Brown bid at all? for BGSU and AIC?
ecachawkeyfan
New member
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
I haven't read anything locally about Albany bidding for any future hockey regional. As is, the TU Center has the 1st/2nd rounds of the men's basketball tournament in 2020 and the women's basketball regional again in 2021. 2022 would seem to be open.
The last regional here was in 2016. At the time, arena officials were quoted as hoping for 7,000-8,000 per session since all 4 teams (QU, Yale, RIT, Lowell) were all within 250 miles of Albany. Attendance figures ended up falling way short of those hopes - believe it was 5K for the first day and under 3K for the final. It didn't help that it was Easter weekend, and that neither Union or RPI made it.
Albany's a tough market for hockey. At 14,000 for hockey, the TU Center might be too big for a regional but isn't big enough for a modern day Frozen Four (it hosted in 92 and 2001 when the FF wasn't as big as it is now). The AHL team here pulled out after ranking near the bottom of the league in attendance for many years.
NCAA basketball does great here, though. The women's basketball regional drew 18K this weekend, 20K when it was here in 2018 and 15K when it was here in 2015. Mostly because of UConn. The men's games will likely sell out in 2020.
I haven't read anything locally about Albany bidding for any future hockey regional. As is, the TU Center has the 1st/2nd rounds of the men's basketball tournament in 2020 and the women's basketball regional again in 2021. 2022 would seem to be open.
The last regional here was in 2016. At the time, arena officials were quoted as hoping for 7,000-8,000 per session since all 4 teams (QU, Yale, RIT, Lowell) were all within 250 miles of Albany. Attendance figures ended up falling way short of those hopes - believe it was 5K for the first day and under 3K for the final. It didn't help that it was Easter weekend, and that neither Union or RPI made it.
Albany's a tough market for hockey. At 14,000 for hockey, the TU Center might be too big for a regional but isn't big enough for a modern day Frozen Four (it hosted in 92 and 2001 when the FF wasn't as big as it is now). The AHL team here pulled out after ranking near the bottom of the league in attendance for many years.
NCAA basketball does great here, though. The women's basketball regional drew 18K this weekend, 20K when it was here in 2018 and 15K when it was here in 2015. Mostly because of UConn. The men's games will likely sell out in 2020.
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
The hosts themselves are the ones who may have concern.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
True. I was told several years ago that it cost about $50,000 to open an arena for an event. If true each regional had expenses of about $100,000 on top of the $150,000 guarantee to the NCAA.
Sean
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Specifically for a program like Brown. I don't recall them being in the tournament in at least 20 years. The only possible reason they would want to host is to take home some money out of the deal. I am curious how this works though. For these venues/bids, is it the school hosting that reaches out to the city/venue? Or other way around? I have to believe the only reason Brown hosts is because the DDC wants the regional and thus needs a host school.
Specifically for a program like Brown. I don't recall them being in the tournament in at least 20 years. The only possible reason they would want to host is to take home some money out of the deal. I am curious how this works though. For these venues/bids, is it the school hosting that reaches out to the city/venue? Or other way around? I have to believe the only reason Brown hosts is because the DDC wants the regional and thus needs a host school.
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
4 on campus sites would have had
Amherst*: Mass(host), Clarkson (bus), Notre Dame (flight), Harvard (bus)
St. Cloud*: SCSU (host), Denver (flight), tOSU (flight), AIC (flight)
Mankato: MSU-M (host), Northeastern (flight), Cornell (flight), Providence (flight)
Duluth: UMD (host), Quinnipiac (flight), Arizona St. (flight), BGSU (flight)
* = big ice
Might have had higher attendance but transportation costs would have been higher.
4 on campus sites would have had
Amherst*: Mass(host), Clarkson (bus), Notre Dame (flight), Harvard (bus)
St. Cloud*: SCSU (host), Denver (flight), tOSU (flight), AIC (flight)
Mankato: MSU-M (host), Northeastern (flight), Cornell (flight), Providence (flight)
Duluth: UMD (host), Quinnipiac (flight), Arizona St. (flight), BGSU (flight)
* = big ice
Might have had higher attendance but transportation costs would have been higher.
HockeyMan2000
New member
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
I've long wondered this also. PC has again gotten all the benefits out of being the host school -- without actually being the host. Judging from what's been written, it's like Brown is essentially underwriting their Frozen Four appearances. Unless there's some other angle here (must be) that benefits Brown?
I've long wondered this also. PC has again gotten all the benefits out of being the host school -- without actually being the host. Judging from what's been written, it's like Brown is essentially underwriting their Frozen Four appearances. Unless there's some other angle here (must be) that benefits Brown?
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Is there enough open hotel space at the last minute in these or any locations?
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Is there enough open hotel space at the last minute in these or any locations?
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Split-N
All Hail
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed
Personally, I thought the turnout of Providence fans was unimpressive--even disappointing. Take out the Cornell sections, the leftover Northeastern fans (all of whom were rooting for Providence), and fans of other schools and you could probably fit what was left into Schneider. Yes, I know Providence is a small school but I also think the college community and city at large should have done much better.
Personally, I thought the turnout of Providence fans was unimpressive--even disappointing. Take out the Cornell sections, the leftover Northeastern fans (all of whom were rooting for Providence), and fans of other schools and you could probably fit what was left into Schneider. Yes, I know Providence is a small school but I also think the college community and city at large should have done much better.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
ticapnews
Never Forget!
I could be misremembering, but wasn't there a conflict in Mankato this weekend that would have precluded them from hosting anyway?
Keeping venues open just in case the team hosts is not a viable option in the days of multipurpose arenas.
ETA: there was a concert at the Mankato arena so they couldn't have hosted.
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
The split is after expenses, but the NCAA being the NC$$, it is the lower of budgeted or actual expenses.
Sean