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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates

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French Rage said:
Responded to yelling with more yelling only causes the other side to yell some more. Given other stories where there are reports, say, of supporters and union members being let in side doors after the main doors are closed (granted these are reported largely on blogs), it's more than clear chunks of both sides want this to become little more than screaming matches and not anything approaching substantial policy discussion.
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Need some credible sources on this Frenchy. When all of this started, there were no reports of union people mobilizing at these events. They only came in response to a hijacking of the event by knuckledraggers. Furthermore, even though they have been in places now, I still don't recall any instances reported where they shouted down questioners or interrupted answers. Somebody yelling "let them speak" is a lot different than yelling for the sake of causing a disruption.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I agree 100% and have said as much myself. That said I still question the level of "outrage" that's been exhibited by some given the free pass the same individuals gave the prior president.
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I'm pretty sure no President in recent memory has gotten a "free pass". They've all had their detractors. How much traction their criticisms earned or gained is another conversation.
 
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Rover said:
They only came in response to a hijacking of the event by knuckledraggers.
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So the doctor in Georgia is a "knuckledragger" for asking a simple question. And then who started yelling at him but ... his Congressman. :rolleyes:
 
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The Sicatoka said:
http://www.freep.com/article/20090807/NEWS06/908070387/Tempers-flare-over-health-care



Is using Ms. Gillanders first name, Fadwa, similar to using Mr. Obama's middle name, Hussein, "racist" too? Either way, it seems Ms. Gillanders disagress with Mr. Obama.
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Context my boy, context. You know, I was going to site the example of how a swastika symbol in fact dates to Roman times, however if you use it when addressing a letter to a group of white supremecists your meaning is a bit different....

then I remembered who the biggest patron of UND's program and arena is, an avowed neo-Nazi, and I figured the point might be lost on you....:D
 
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People use Barack Hussein Obama because there are a lot of Muslims named Hussein and there was once a bad guy named Saddam Hussein. What's the contrary argument: people are just trying to be precise? ;)
 
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Rover said:
Need some credible sources on this Frenchy. When all of this started, there were no reports of union people mobilizing at these events. They only came in response to a hijacking of the event by knuckledraggers. Furthermore, even though they have been in places now, I still don't recall any instances reported where they shouted down questioners or interrupted answers. Somebody yelling "let them speak" is a lot different than yelling for the sake of causing a disruption.
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Well, as I said before, it's on blog stuff (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/...rotesters-locked-out-while-seiu-is-admitted/), so people can take it with as much or little salt as they prefer. I would find it hard to believe there was no union presence at all when these started, people always want to have some of their own people at a public event; the full scale mobilization as you mention has probably been more recent in responses to others as these meetings. Whether they're yelling (note my comment about them was in stuffing events, not yelling) or stacking events, it's all about both sides making this more a demonstration by their side and not about actual debate, regardless of who started it there are definitions sections of each side that have no interest in ending it any time soon.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I agree 100% and have said as much myself. That said I still question the level of "outrage" that's been exhibited by some given the free pass the same individuals gave the prior president.
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Reagan's 11th commandment.
 
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Kepler said:
People use Barack Hussein Obama because there are a lot of Muslims named Hussein and there was once a bad guy named Saddam Hussein. What's the contrary argument: people are just trying to be precise? ;)
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I noticed Sicatoka took off as soon as Engelstad was mentioned. :D
 
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Rover said:
Need some credible sources on this Frenchy. When all of this started, there were no reports of union people mobilizing at these events. They only came in response to a hijacking of the event by knuckledraggers. Furthermore, even though they have been in places now, I still don't recall any instances reported where they shouted down questioners or interrupted answers. Somebody yelling "let them speak" is a lot different than yelling for the sake of causing a disruption.
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http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/shock-video-dems-sneak-union-thugs-into.html
 
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One thing in all this, though, is that it shows that the Nazis are still first place with a bullet as the go to for extreme political comparisons.

Who was it before the Nazis? Anarchists, probably. Or the Irish. :D
 
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Kepler said:
One thing in all this, though, is that it shows that the Nazis are still first place with a bullet as the go to for extreme political comparisons.

Who was it before the Nazis? Anarchists, probably. Or the Irish. :D
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Union thugs
 
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French Rage said:
Well, as I said before, it's on blog stuff (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/...rotesters-locked-out-while-seiu-is-admitted/), so people can take it with as much or little salt as they prefer. I would find it hard to believe there was no union presence at all when these started, people always want to have some of their own people at a public event; the full scale mobilization as you mention has probably been more recent in responses to others as these meetings. Whether they're yelling (note my comment about them was in stuffing events, not yelling) or stacking events, it's all about both sides making this more a demonstration by their side and not about actual debate, regardless of who started it there are definitions sections of each side that have no interest in ending it any time soon.
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Can't access the blogs and even if I could, I'd prefer something with a bit more credibility, but lets move beyond that.

I'm not without sympathy to your argument. However, you'd like the Dems to abide by rules the other side long since abandoned. In a better world, at one of these meetings, you could politely ask conservative activists if they'd please let others speak, and they would. Unfortunately that's not reality. Reality is these people want to cause problems and get on the news. They aren't going to be polite, but they still might achieve their aims, unless....

You fight fire with fire! Say a wussy conservative activist left his parents house to chant at the top of his lungs whenever somebody tries to have a civil discussion. Well, you can pull a Dukakis campaign tactic, and just not respond, and perhaps hope it turns out better this time....OR you can send a few dozen union members over to each these pansies some manners. :D :D :D

That's the thing about knuckledraggers. They're all brave when yelling at some old people, but put them one on one with a few easy going union members and suddenly they get real quiet. Wonder why that is? :confused:
 
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Kepler said:
One thing in all this, though, is that it shows that the Nazis are still first place with a bullet as the go to for extreme political comparisons.

Who was it before the Nazis? Anarchists, probably. Or the Irish. :D
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Illinois Nazis? I hate Illinois Nazis ... :mad:

As for the Irish, God invented whisky to keep them from taking over the world. ;)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So the doctor in Georgia is a "knuckledragger" for asking a simple question. And then who started yelling at him but ... his Congressman. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, but that "knuckledragger" wasn't one of his constitutents, and was part of some overreaching Republican-hired angry mob. Even though he was a doctor, a registered independent, and lived in the Congressman's district. This is because all doctors are on board for ObamaCare, only Republican-hired thugs come to these town halls to ask hard questions, and they only get bussed in from across congressional district lines in order to "hijack" town halls.

Rover's like an Obama excuse machine. If you don't treat The Messiah with due respect, he's going to probably call you a "knuckledragger" (despite the scabs on his own knuckles) and give you what for.
 
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Rover said:
I'm not without sympathy to your argument. However, you'd like the Dems to abide by rules the other side long since abandoned. In a better world, at one of these meetings, you could politely ask conservative activists if they'd please let others speak, and they would. Unfortunately that's not reality. Reality is these people want to cause problems and get on the news. They aren't going to be polite, but they still might achieve their aims, unless....

You fight fire with fire! Say a wussy conservative activist left his parents house to chant at the top of his lungs whenever somebody tries to have a civil discussion. Well, you can pull a Dukakis campaign tactic, and just not respond, and perhaps hope it turns out better this time....OR you can send a few dozen union members over to each these pansies some manners. :D :D :D
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Well fighting fire with fire may get you a result, and a result you "win", but in the end it's still not a result that does any good. There are a lot of concerned citizens out there with legitimate questions (and not just those opposed to the plan) and both they and the overall debate would gain from them getting a chance to ask those questions. Fighting fire with fire just gaurantees this escalates until it ends, and even if the pro-reform people somehow win that (I don't quite know how you judge the winner in a shouting match), in the end no one got their concerns answered, and probably a lot of people get pushed to one of the extremes when all they wanted was simple answers. You can point about who shot first but the result is still the same. I don't know what the magical middle line is between doing nothing on one hand or escalating the shouting match on the other, but I don't see the latter winning any more than the former.
 
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I love how the morons and generation that bankrupted this country are the same morons and generation whining about how our grandchildren are going to be handed the bill for this legislation.

That ship already sailed folks. Lockbox sounds pretty dang good about right now, doesn't it?

Here's hoping nothing passes and 20 years from now there is not only rationing, and Euthanasia, but darn right rejection at the hospital door cause there ain't no resources left to keep the doors open. At least the top 1% will have their private physician on staff by then.
 
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Nathan said:
Funny, when here's the rebuttal - http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/faking-victimhood-just-how-hurt-was
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Part of me doesn't want to be that cynical. But, on the other hand:

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