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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

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leswp1 said:
This is an ER. How in God's earth is a health care person supposed to worry about whether someone is legal when they are in extremis?
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Why should they worry whether a person is "legal" or "illegal." They're a business. Should a business turn down an opportunity to do business with someone just because they're a foreign national. Do we prohibit visitors to this country, legal or otherwise, from seeking medical care, for purchase, if they require it?

Whenever I go to the hospital they ask for my insurance card, but also make sure they have some other form of payment option, like my credit card number on file.

Oddly enough, I wonder if the "mandate" that everyone purchase insurance that Obama is or isn't for, depending upon the winds that day, wouldn't have some effect on how much "we" pay for illegals health care. If that were to pass, wouldn't we all basically end up with an insurance card, either one we obtain through privately purchased insurance, or one obtained through insurance purchased from the government. Will the illegals be able to obtain such a card? And if you dont' have such a card, aren't you going to be turned down for care?
 
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It's not about emergency care. I think the point was that while the legislation barred illegals from enrolling, it also prohibited anyone from being denied an insurance plan based on "any personal characteristic" which could be inferred to include citizenship. So anyone that applied would have to be enrolled in the plan, and they would be sent the new equivalent of a Medicaid insurance card. The ID card would give a lot of other advantages to an illegal, besides access to health care.
In this scenario, the taxpayers might have been "legally required" to pay for Osama bin Ladin's viagra, if he applied for coverage.

I haven't followed up, but saw a headline indicating that the loophole has been closed since "the outburst". Hopefully, applications for coverage will be considered only for U.S. citizens. (Of which I, for one, want more)
 
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Rover said:
The bill already bars illegals from benefiting from this bill, according to fact checker:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/
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From your link:

The House bill "does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange — whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently," the report said.
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

I think you guys need to find a new controversy....

(highlights are mine - from the Denver Post)
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The House bill mandates that individuals — "resident aliens" — have health insurance. If they don't, they can enroll in a "Health Insurance Exchange," which will offer access to private plans and a public option.

Illegal immigrants are not exempt from the requirement to buy insurance and are not prohibited from enrolling in the exchange, according to an analysis by Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.

However, to receive premium credits, which are subsidies based on income, a person must be in the country lawfully, according to the bill.

While there are no spelled-out citizenship verification procedures, implementing proper mechanisms would fall to the health choices commissioner, a presidential appointee position, created by the legislation, who would oversee a new regulatory body, according to congressional services. There are citizenship checks already in place for federal programs such as Medicaid, which could be used for this purpose.

Additionally, Leighton Ku, a health policy analyst and professor at George Washington University, said that because the bill ties subsidies to substantiated income, there already exists a good method to weed out fraud through tax returns. Those require Social Security numbers, which illegal immigrants are barred from obtaining.

While some people — both noncitizens and citizens — may try to use false Social Security numbers, the numbers are likely small, Ku said.

"You cannot totally eliminate fraud in anything. Nothing is utterly foolproof since we have no centralized system in the U.S. to know who is a citizen and who isn't, Ku said.

"But Social Security numbers are a well-established way to determine whether someone is a citizen in this country."
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So again, nothing in this bill is using taxpayer money to cover illegals. Are people gaming the system? Sure, no doubt somebody out there is, but they'll be doing that regardless of whether this is passed or not.
 
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MinnFan said:
From your link:
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So, you're saying that all noncitizens are now illegal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants can purchase health insurance now, and they would be allowed to do so in the future, too. Not sure how the status quo amounts to a benefit.
 
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Yeah, there's nothing to see here. Let's go back to talking about Obama's plan to put sterilizing agents in the drinking water.
Or his backdoor appointment of Czar #273, "Third Assistant to the Czar of White House Bathroom Paper Towel Refilling/Security Clearance granted by the Chief of Staff".
Or was that the other thread?
 
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blockski said:
So, you're saying that all noncitizens are now illegal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants can purchase health insurance now, and they would be allowed to do so in the future, too. Not sure how the status quo amounts to a benefit.
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I have no problem with them buying private insurance. My issue is when they are able to buy a plan that is subsidized by taxpayers.
 
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MinnFan said:
I have no problem with them buying private insurance. My issue is when they are able to buy a plan that is subsidized by taxpayers.
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So, you're afraid of something that's not in the bill. You're afraid of them buying into the currently nonexistent public option, nevermind the fact that the public option would likely be subject to the same citizenship requirements of Medicaid.

Furthermore, any subsidies would be tied to proof of income, necessitating tax returns and thus a verification of citizenship status.
 
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blockski said:
So, you're afraid of something that's not in the bill. You're afraid of them buying into the currently nonexistent public option, nevermind the fact that the public option would likely be subject to the same citizenship requirements of Medicaid.

Furthermore, any subsidies would be tied to proof of income, necessitating tax returns and thus a verification of citizenship status.
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The public option is subsidized regardless of income, hence the $900B cost ($2T in 13 years)
 
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MinnFan said:
The public option is subsidized regardless of income, hence the $900B cost ($2T in 13 years)
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Once again...

Illegal immigrants are not exempt from the requirement to buy insurance and are not prohibited from enrolling in the exchange, according to an analysis by Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.

However, to receive premium credits, which are subsidies based on income, a person must be in the country lawfully, according to the bill.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Who really knows? All I know is that the first person to have the wrong leg removed is going to be pretty upset with their settlement after it happens.
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This is even way simpler than Obama's straw men.
 
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geezer said:
Or his backdoor appointment of Czar #273, "Third Assistant to the Czar of White House Bathroom Paper Towel Refilling/Security Clearance granted by the Chief of Staff".
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Hey! That's MY job!!!
 
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joecct said:
Hey! That's MY job!!!
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You mean you wanted to be the paper towel refiller guy? Don't worry, there's a taxpayer-funded czarship for every community vote-buyer. Get in line. I want to be the Find more Comfortable Shoes for the Workers Czar.
 
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Hockey Czar. I want the job.
 
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MinnFan said:
The public option is subsidized regardless of income, hence the $900B cost ($2T in 13 years)
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Uh, just because something costs money doesn't mean it's subsidized...it depends who's ultimately paying for it.
 
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