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All Things Denver--XXXV
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
Beau just hit the bejesus out of Hillen, which made me smile.
Beau just hit the bejesus out of Hillen, which made me smile.
Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
Speaking as a survivor of the alumni wars, the people who run DU are not and presumably never will be interested in what alumni have to say, about anything. Unless and until DU alumni organize and demand to be heard, they will continue to be treated like children, as this email shows. Golly, somebody might wonder if alumni were a "vital part of the DU family," why they weren't consulted about the decision to dump Boone in the first place. And they might ask why on earth are undergraduate government types "making" this important decision?
Don't think for one second that responding to this email will have any bearing on the outcome of this particular spasm of political correctness. Alumni who respond will simply be verifying their information for future cash appeals. Please note Kristine's title: Associate Vice Chancellor for University Advancement. Plus she's also Executive Director of Alumni Relations. I must have forgotten the input Alumni had in her selection. She's probably a nice person. But she's serving two masters--an irreconcilable conflict of interest. As it stands now, it's inconceivable that any alumni input short of an all out rebellion, will have any impact at all. Responding alumni will probably get an email with boiler plate rhetoric about how "grateful" they are that "you took the time to respond." And "we'll give your opinion due consideration (just before the wastebaskets are emptied)". Plus the obligatory references to "diversity" and "moving forward." Perhaps alumni might even be asked to vote on their preference among the choices this committee of house mice comes up with, which will allow the administration to hide behind the fiction that the "alumni helped choose the new mascot." But it will be a lie. Alumni and students want to keep Boone. Any contrary outcome is simply propaganda.*
*I would have posted this on the Let's Go DU blog, but I no longer feel welcome there.
Speaking as a survivor of the alumni wars, the people who run DU are not and presumably never will be interested in what alumni have to say, about anything. Unless and until DU alumni organize and demand to be heard, they will continue to be treated like children, as this email shows. Golly, somebody might wonder if alumni were a "vital part of the DU family," why they weren't consulted about the decision to dump Boone in the first place. And they might ask why on earth are undergraduate government types "making" this important decision?
Don't think for one second that responding to this email will have any bearing on the outcome of this particular spasm of political correctness. Alumni who respond will simply be verifying their information for future cash appeals. Please note Kristine's title: Associate Vice Chancellor for University Advancement. Plus she's also Executive Director of Alumni Relations. I must have forgotten the input Alumni had in her selection. She's probably a nice person. But she's serving two masters--an irreconcilable conflict of interest. As it stands now, it's inconceivable that any alumni input short of an all out rebellion, will have any impact at all. Responding alumni will probably get an email with boiler plate rhetoric about how "grateful" they are that "you took the time to respond." And "we'll give your opinion due consideration (just before the wastebaskets are emptied)". Plus the obligatory references to "diversity" and "moving forward." Perhaps alumni might even be asked to vote on their preference among the choices this committee of house mice comes up with, which will allow the administration to hide behind the fiction that the "alumni helped choose the new mascot." But it will be a lie. Alumni and students want to keep Boone. Any contrary outcome is simply propaganda.*
*I would have posted this on the Let's Go DU blog, but I no longer feel welcome there.
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du78
Gunning For 10
Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
DU 61 Ohio 57, DU going to Maryland for their 2nd round NIT game on Thursday night at 5 PM MT. DU shot very poorly from the foul line and could have won by a much bigger margin. Will have a tough game playing the Terrapins on the road.
DU 61 Ohio 57, DU going to Maryland for their 2nd round NIT game on Thursday night at 5 PM MT. DU shot very poorly from the foul line and could have won by a much bigger margin. Will have a tough game playing the Terrapins on the road.
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
Maybe if there are no copyright issues, DU could pick the Flub-a-Dub as its new mascot. This was a character on the old Howdy Doody show made up of 8 different animals. How could that hurt anyone's feelings?
"Flub-a-dub was a unique South American animal with a duck's head, a cat's whiskers, a giraffe's neck (encircled with rings), a cocker spaniel's ears, a seal's flippers (and four webbed feet), a raccoon's tail hairpiece, a dachshund's body and the memory of an elephant."
Gimme an F. . .gimme an l. . . . . . .
Maybe if there are no copyright issues, DU could pick the Flub-a-Dub as its new mascot. This was a character on the old Howdy Doody show made up of 8 different animals. How could that hurt anyone's feelings?
"Flub-a-dub was a unique South American animal with a duck's head, a cat's whiskers, a giraffe's neck (encircled with rings), a cocker spaniel's ears, a seal's flippers (and four webbed feet), a raccoon's tail hairpiece, a dachshund's body and the memory of an elephant."
Gimme an F. . .gimme an l. . . . . . .
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
I posted this a long time ago, but I thought I'd propose it again: I think the perfect mascot for DU would be this guy:
He is quite representative of the typical DU student, as are his friends Betty, Veronica, and Jughead. He was a 'pioneer' in the field of comic book shenanigans, and there is a nice symbiosis between his name and the Denver 'arch'. As a bonus, he brings along his own pep band:
How could Coombe say NO to this?
Something for you to ponder while you enjoy your off-weekend...
I posted this a long time ago, but I thought I'd propose it again: I think the perfect mascot for DU would be this guy:
He is quite representative of the typical DU student, as are his friends Betty, Veronica, and Jughead. He was a 'pioneer' in the field of comic book shenanigans, and there is a nice symbiosis between his name and the Denver 'arch'. As a bonus, he brings along his own pep band:
How could Coombe say NO to this?
Something for you to ponder while you enjoy your off-weekend...
A Shot and a Goal
Hupamone
Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
To My Learned and Esteemed--Though Disturbingly Way Off Base--Alumnus Colleague, Old Pio:
While your suggestion that the Flub-a-Dub be embraced as DU's new mascot is not without a certain "je ne sais quoi" oh, let's call it a jocular merit, it is void of the myopia with which the current administrative cabal at the intersection of University and Evans views the world in which it so indolently lolls.
Moreover, since the Flub-a-Dub is nothing other than a compendium ensconced in the world of zoology, therefore lacking the singularity of purpose one hopes will be apparent in the new mascot the University now seeks, I find your proposal to be wholly inadequate and bordering on the puerile.
While the notion of instituting a mascot which the entire DU community can embrace is replete with "group hug" over-sensitivity, it nevertheless seems to be the thoroughfare down which the University is intent on heading at a breakneck, full throttle, hell-bent-for-leather pace.
Given that the University stridently and unabashedly seeks to embrace all sectors of its populace and a mascot, which in turn can be embraced by same, I offer as DU's next ceremonial amulet the 'obsequious Hillary'. Known to kowtow to every manner, stripe, faction and ilk of fringe group now extant or yet to come, the adoption of the aforementioned O.H. would satisfy even the most servile sycophant who prostrates him/herself before the altar of political correctness. Be assured this new mascot PIONEERS new vistas of ideo-political acceptance with every baffling, confounding utterance from its yapper.
An added BOON[E] to the installation of the O.H. as the new mascot would be the field day enjoyed by graphic designers as they sought to capture the fullness and grandeur of its putridity. One possible alternative to the O.H. is to say "screw it" to the whole nonsense and adopt the Fighting Sioux as DU's new moniker. That or maybe Boone from Animal House.
I await your ill-conceived, sophomorically worded reply/response/retort to my finely reasoned, carefully crafted submission.
Respectively submitted....et cetera, et cetera.
To My Learned and Esteemed--Though Disturbingly Way Off Base--Alumnus Colleague, Old Pio:
While your suggestion that the Flub-a-Dub be embraced as DU's new mascot is not without a certain "je ne sais quoi" oh, let's call it a jocular merit, it is void of the myopia with which the current administrative cabal at the intersection of University and Evans views the world in which it so indolently lolls.
Moreover, since the Flub-a-Dub is nothing other than a compendium ensconced in the world of zoology, therefore lacking the singularity of purpose one hopes will be apparent in the new mascot the University now seeks, I find your proposal to be wholly inadequate and bordering on the puerile.
While the notion of instituting a mascot which the entire DU community can embrace is replete with "group hug" over-sensitivity, it nevertheless seems to be the thoroughfare down which the University is intent on heading at a breakneck, full throttle, hell-bent-for-leather pace.
Given that the University stridently and unabashedly seeks to embrace all sectors of its populace and a mascot, which in turn can be embraced by same, I offer as DU's next ceremonial amulet the 'obsequious Hillary'. Known to kowtow to every manner, stripe, faction and ilk of fringe group now extant or yet to come, the adoption of the aforementioned O.H. would satisfy even the most servile sycophant who prostrates him/herself before the altar of political correctness. Be assured this new mascot PIONEERS new vistas of ideo-political acceptance with every baffling, confounding utterance from its yapper.
An added BOON[E] to the installation of the O.H. as the new mascot would be the field day enjoyed by graphic designers as they sought to capture the fullness and grandeur of its putridity. One possible alternative to the O.H. is to say "screw it" to the whole nonsense and adopt the Fighting Sioux as DU's new moniker. That or maybe Boone from Animal House.
I await your ill-conceived, sophomorically worded reply/response/retort to my finely reasoned, carefully crafted submission.
Respectively submitted....et cetera, et cetera.
BigBossMan
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
As my brother-in-law Norman Bates once said: "We all go a little mad sometimes."
As to the notion of "letting them know how you feel about Boone" is concerned: go ahead, knock yourselves out. It's all rather charmingly naïve, like kids leaving out milk and cookies for Santa.
As my brother-in-law Norman Bates once said: "We all go a little mad sometimes."
As to the notion of "letting them know how you feel about Boone" is concerned: go ahead, knock yourselves out. It's all rather charmingly naïve, like kids leaving out milk and cookies for Santa.
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An historical note (which has no bearing on the merits of your suggestion): The Archies was not a "group," just studio musicians, sort of like The Village People or Milli Vanilli.
I posted this a long time ago, but I thought I'd propose it again: I think the perfect mascot for DU would be this guy:
He is quite representative of the typical DU student, as are his friends Betty, Veronica, and Jughead. He was a 'pioneer' in the field of comic book shenanigans, and there is a nice symbiosis between his name and the Denver 'arch'. As a bonus, he brings along his own pep band:
How could Coombe say NO to this?
Something for you to ponder while you enjoy your off-weekend...
An historical note (which has no bearing on the merits of your suggestion): The Archies was not a "group," just studio musicians, sort of like The Village People or Milli Vanilli.
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captain beefheart
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
If you are insist on being politically ( gag ) correct, it should be Danielle Boone, a gay black pioneer, If not, please go with Space Ghost. Please.
If you are insist on being politically ( gag ) correct, it should be Danielle Boone, a gay black pioneer, If not, please go with Space Ghost. Please.
A Shot and a Goal
Hupamone
Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
O.P., Understand my post of earlier today was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek. As to what the DU academicians/despots in their ivory tower will decree relating to a new mascot, I admit to being unconcerned.
Having attended the DU-North Dakota series last month, I can report that try as it might to inseparably dislodge "Fighting Sioux" from the University of North Dakota, the NCAA has not, nor will it ever be successful in so doing. As they should, UND hockey partisans will always proclaim their team to be the Fighting Sioux.
So, too, may it be among University of Denver alums. Regardless of the form a mascot may take: Once Pioneers, Always Pioneers!
O.P., Understand my post of earlier today was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
As to what the DU academicians/despots in their ivory tower will decree relating to a new mascot, I admit to being unconcerned.Having attended the DU-North Dakota series last month, I can report that try as it might to inseparably dislodge "Fighting Sioux" from the University of North Dakota, the NCAA has not, nor will it ever be successful in so doing. As they should, UND hockey partisans will always proclaim their team to be the Fighting Sioux.
So, too, may it be among University of Denver alums. Regardless of the form a mascot may take: Once Pioneers, Always Pioneers!
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Like the punch line to a favorite old joke "I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid." I got it. And unlike our friends at UND, we won't have to dye our hair green and knock out some teeth in order to show solidarity with our former mascot.
O.P., Understand my post of earlier today was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Having attended the DU-North Dakota series last month, I can report that try as it might to inseparably dislodge "Fighting Sioux" from the University of North Dakota, the NCAA has not, nor will it ever be successful in so doing. As they should, UND hockey partisans will always proclaim their team to be the Fighting Sioux.
So, too, may it be among University of Denver alums. Regardless of the form a mascot may take: Once Pioneers, Always Pioneers!
Like the punch line to a favorite old joke "I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid." I got it. And unlike our friends at UND, we won't have to dye our hair green and knock out some teeth in order to show solidarity with our former mascot.
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Let me give you an example of why DU alumni need an independent voice and association. Think back to the "dark period" of DU hockey, nearly two decades where the program slouched toward irrelevance. There were many factors: bogus NC$$ probation, retirement of Murray Armstrong, loss of the '76 Olympics, death of Harry Ottenbreit, severe financial problems which led to dropping from DI to DIII, and an arena sinking in to the great Grimpen Mire like the House of Usher. Simultaneously, other erstwhile first division WCHA teams were improving their facilities and increasing support for their programs. Consequently, it got so bad one season DU went in to the final series with CC trying to avoid last place.
Now those DU alums not living in Colorado, who weren't necessarily avid hockey fans, would have only a dim awareness of what was going on because their only source of information was the quarterly rag put out by the University. If any of the problems were mentioned, it was only from the "nothing to see here, move along" perspective. Remember, no USCHO.com, or other media to inform interested alums. And that quarterly rag featured the annual "Pioneers looking forward to great season" eyewash or perhaps some run down of new recruits (which conveniently left out the fact that most of 'em shouldn't be DI scholarship players). But you'd never read an analysis of how far the Pioneers had fallen and what needed to be done to get back into contention. I got a chance to talk extensively with Herb Brooks (who was fronting for Levis, the clothing supplier for the LA Olympics) and he laid out the problems and solutions. That was a huge eye opener.
An independent alumni association, not entirely a creature of institutional advancement, might have sounded the alarm bells for its members. Might have created a committee to study the problem and come up with recommendations. Something. Instead, alumni were fed the soft soap. And they were inferentially reassured that things were pretty much as they remembered them. And that comforted them.
There is nothing inherently wrong with looking to alumni for institutional advancement. Alumni are and should be a reliable source of financial assistance to any university. Especially a private university with a smallish endowment. But when the Executive Director of the alumni association is hired and paid by institutional advancement, that means there will never be a deviation from the party line. Never a situation where the alumni take a position on some matter which is at variance with that company line.
This attitude of treating alumni like children, to be seen and not heard, is not confined to alumni relations. For over a decade, some of us in Houston assisted admissions. We went to college nights at God forsaken high schools and had limited participation when admissions types came to town to interview prospective students. For alumni were simply not allowed to conduct the interviews with these kids ourselves. We had lawyers, business owners and other successful people willing to do that work (think back to "Risky Business," where Tom Cruise is interviewed in his home by a Princeton alum) but this was a function jealously guarded by the Admissions Department. Shouldn't it be possible to have some sort of seminar for alumni interviewers to acquaint them with the issues the university thinks are relevant and some recommended techniques? Side note: somewhere along the line Admissions popped for some very nice table covers for college nights. Big "University of Denver" big seal. Very nice. Except they were maroon and white, not Crimson and Gold! We were never able to get a straight answer as to which genius had authorized that purchase. So when Admissions types came to town for interviews, alums were used as hosts to keep the kids occupied, while the actual interviewing went on in another room.
This is not meant to sound like a b*tchfest, just an analysis of how things are and presumably will continue to be. Unless and until alumni take control of their own destiny, with an Executive Director answerable to them, DU alumni will continue to be regarded only as a source of donations. And never as an important constituency whose views on key matters need to be taken into consideration. It's a admittedly a rough analogy, but this Boone situation is like a father who announces to his kids that he's divorcing their mother. But they'll get to chose among the several ladies he's been dating as to which one will be their new mom. What they won't be able to do is suggest they don't want a new mom.
Bottom line? DU wants its alumni to be pregnant in winter and barefoot in the summer. And by not organizing ourselves, we're guaranteeing that it will continue.
Let me give you an example of why DU alumni need an independent voice and association. Think back to the "dark period" of DU hockey, nearly two decades where the program slouched toward irrelevance. There were many factors: bogus NC$$ probation, retirement of Murray Armstrong, loss of the '76 Olympics, death of Harry Ottenbreit, severe financial problems which led to dropping from DI to DIII, and an arena sinking in to the great Grimpen Mire like the House of Usher. Simultaneously, other erstwhile first division WCHA teams were improving their facilities and increasing support for their programs. Consequently, it got so bad one season DU went in to the final series with CC trying to avoid last place.
Now those DU alums not living in Colorado, who weren't necessarily avid hockey fans, would have only a dim awareness of what was going on because their only source of information was the quarterly rag put out by the University. If any of the problems were mentioned, it was only from the "nothing to see here, move along" perspective. Remember, no USCHO.com, or other media to inform interested alums. And that quarterly rag featured the annual "Pioneers looking forward to great season" eyewash or perhaps some run down of new recruits (which conveniently left out the fact that most of 'em shouldn't be DI scholarship players). But you'd never read an analysis of how far the Pioneers had fallen and what needed to be done to get back into contention. I got a chance to talk extensively with Herb Brooks (who was fronting for Levis, the clothing supplier for the LA Olympics) and he laid out the problems and solutions. That was a huge eye opener.
An independent alumni association, not entirely a creature of institutional advancement, might have sounded the alarm bells for its members. Might have created a committee to study the problem and come up with recommendations. Something. Instead, alumni were fed the soft soap. And they were inferentially reassured that things were pretty much as they remembered them. And that comforted them.
There is nothing inherently wrong with looking to alumni for institutional advancement. Alumni are and should be a reliable source of financial assistance to any university. Especially a private university with a smallish endowment. But when the Executive Director of the alumni association is hired and paid by institutional advancement, that means there will never be a deviation from the party line. Never a situation where the alumni take a position on some matter which is at variance with that company line.
This attitude of treating alumni like children, to be seen and not heard, is not confined to alumni relations. For over a decade, some of us in Houston assisted admissions. We went to college nights at God forsaken high schools and had limited participation when admissions types came to town to interview prospective students. For alumni were simply not allowed to conduct the interviews with these kids ourselves. We had lawyers, business owners and other successful people willing to do that work (think back to "Risky Business," where Tom Cruise is interviewed in his home by a Princeton alum) but this was a function jealously guarded by the Admissions Department. Shouldn't it be possible to have some sort of seminar for alumni interviewers to acquaint them with the issues the university thinks are relevant and some recommended techniques? Side note: somewhere along the line Admissions popped for some very nice table covers for college nights. Big "University of Denver" big seal. Very nice. Except they were maroon and white, not Crimson and Gold! We were never able to get a straight answer as to which genius had authorized that purchase. So when Admissions types came to town for interviews, alums were used as hosts to keep the kids occupied, while the actual interviewing went on in another room.
This is not meant to sound like a b*tchfest, just an analysis of how things are and presumably will continue to be. Unless and until alumni take control of their own destiny, with an Executive Director answerable to them, DU alumni will continue to be regarded only as a source of donations. And never as an important constituency whose views on key matters need to be taken into consideration. It's a admittedly a rough analogy, but this Boone situation is like a father who announces to his kids that he's divorcing their mother. But they'll get to chose among the several ladies he's been dating as to which one will be their new mom. What they won't be able to do is suggest they don't want a new mom.
Bottom line? DU wants its alumni to be pregnant in winter and barefoot in the summer. And by not organizing ourselves, we're guaranteeing that it will continue.
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Re: All Things Denver--XXXV
Thanks. For sure, you remember those dark days. And I'm grateful every day, as you are, that we've moved past them.
Thanks. For sure, you remember those dark days. And I'm grateful every day, as you are, that we've moved past them.
du78
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