All Things Denver--XXXV

[steve66]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Wow.

I'm very surprised at this. Raises all sorts of ethical questions on both sides.

What ethical questions does it raise? He committed, NU likes him, NU needs him so they are not going to just let him leave. He signed the binding legal document, not how anyone wanted this to go, but I think they are doing the right thing. The recruiting process of hockey is crazy, kids committing, de-committing, asking to be released. NCAA needs to pay some attention to this sport and try to stabilize these processes.

NU has been hit hard over the last couple of years, Madigan is under pressure to get this turned around, hard to do when your #1 recruit asks to leave. He can't afford to lose this kid, no possible way to replace a kid of this magnitude on June 13th unless you want to try and steal someone else's recruit. They have a pretty good class coming in with him at NU, they need him.

 

[duper]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Former CC player Scott Winkler passed away today at age 23. Our prayers go out to the entire CC family.

Indeed

 

[dggoddard]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

What ethical questions does it raise? He committed, NU likes him, NU needs him so they are not going to just let him leave. He signed the binding legal document, not how anyone wanted this to go, but I think they are doing the right thing. The recruiting process of hockey is crazy, kids committing, de-committing, asking to be released. NCAA needs to pay some attention to this sport and try to stabilize these processes.

NU has been hit hard over the last couple of years, Madigan is under pressure to get this turned around, hard to do when your #1 recruit asks to leave. He can't afford to lose this kid, no possible way to replace a kid of this magnitude on June 13th unless you want to try and steal someone else's recruit. They have a pretty good class coming in with him at NU, they need him.

Northeastern is acting like Mario Williams girlfriend.

Come on Northeastern ---- you're better than that.

BTW - I'd be saying the same thing if the player wanted to to jump to CC or UND.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

It serves NU right for taking Kevin Roy from Brown last year.

And his brother. And Josh Manson. And Joe Manno (kinda). And Cody Ferriero (that one raised some eyebrows much like this Szmatula situation).

Then the charge is that there was recruit tampering (definitely possible). But that Cronin guy is such an awesome coach and didn't do anything wrong in spite of his NCAA violations and the school never should have dumped him. Sure sure. Funny stuff.

 

[UncleRay]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Northeastern is acting like Mario Williams girlfriend.

Come on Northeastern ---- you're better than that.

BTW - I'd be saying the same thing if the player wanted to to jump to CC or UND.

Then what is a NLI worth?

 

[Chris]

What ethical questions does it raise? He committed, NU likes him, NU needs him so they are not going to just let him leave. He signed the binding legal document, not how anyone wanted this to go, but I think they are doing the right thing. The recruiting process of hockey is crazy, kids committing, de-committing, asking to be released. NCAA needs to pay some attention to this sport and try to stabilize these processes.

There is nothing that Northeastern did wrong, I agree. You are supposed to change your mind before signing your letter. If this Szmatula dude really, REALLY wants to go to DU he still has the option of not enrolling at NU and instead choose to attend DU. He would, however, not be eligible until next season.

 

[Ryecheers]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

And his brother. And Josh Manson. And Joe Manno (kinda). And Cody Ferriero (that one raised some eyebrows much like this Szmatula situation).

Then the charge is that there was recruit tampering (definitely possible). But that Cronin guy is such an awesome coach and didn't do anything wrong in spite of his NCAA violations and the school never should have dumped him. Sure sure. Funny stuff.

Selective memory is a wonderful thing. Yours is working perfectly. Revisionist history comes into play here as well.

First of all, Manson was committed to Q for the 12-13 season. He, or his dad, saw that Oleksiak had turned pro and called Sebastien (Albie was gone by then) to ask if we had interest. what do you find objectionable?

Manno ws set to go UMass but the didn't get through the clearinghouse and the school dropped him. PC got involved, helped him with the paperwork. By the time he became eligible, their new coach had used up his scholarship $. So, he called NU, which had shown earler interest.

Ferriero was unhappy with his deal at BC and loudly announced that he was reopening his recruitment. Five schools lined up interviews with the family. Cronin was one of the earliest interviewers and made the sale. Now what was wrong with that!?

The Freres Roy had a longstanding relationship with Jerry Keefe, who had recruited them for Brown. When they decided, or were advised, to play in a stronger league, they thought of NU for a variety of reasons. You may be sure that we didn't make the first call to them norr were we the only school they interacted with.

It seems that somehow you have set yourself up as a message board bully and that for you, and a few others, Northeastern's program is the soft kid who won't hit back. You don't throw punchs. Instead, you use misstatements and suggestions of facts not in evidence. You are a perfect example of "a little knowledge can be dangerous". Combine that condition with a vindictive and nasty attitude toward our University and its hockey program, and you make yourself the perfect addition by subtraction.

Kindly go back to haunting the bu or BC threads until the time comes when you can offer some accurate, fact based, constructive commentary to our discussions

 

[vizoroo]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

There is nothing that Northeastern did wrong, I agree. You are supposed to change your mind before signing your letter. If this Szmatula dude really, REALLY wants to go to DU he still has the option of not enrolling at NU and instead choose to attend DU. He would, however, not be eligible until next season.

Forward Mike Szmatula, who won the MHL’s (Maritime Junior Hockey League) scoring race and was named the league’s most valuable player in 2011-12 Committed to play his final year of junior eligibility with the Caps before moving on to play NCAA Division One hockey with Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Conn., for the 2013-14 season. excerpted from NU thread Post 352 Steve66

Reportedly Drafted by Youngstown of USHL--Refused to report

2012-13
Left MHL (decommitted)
Played for Dubuque (USHL)
Decommitted from Sacred Heart
Committed to Northeastern--NLI signed
June 2013 asked for release from NU. Release refused.

There is a pattern here that shows a lack of understanding of the word commitment.

Admittedly we don't know the young man or his circumstances and his skill as a hockey player seems to be increasing at each level, but his advice or decisions have to be questioned. I agree with you Chris, if he REALLY wants to come to DU and play for Coach Monty he will have to sit and pay tuition. If he REALLY wants to play hockey, he will have to go to NU or even go pro.
And, Mike, it might be a good time to change your advisor, before you make any more decisions.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Selective memory is a wonderful thing. Yours is working perfectly. Revisionist history comes into play here as well.

First of all, Manson was committed to Q for the 12-13 season. He, or his dad, saw that Oleksiak had turned pro and called Sebastien (Albie was gone by then) to ask if we had interest. what do you find objectionable?

Manno ws set to go UMass but the didn't get through the clearinghouse and the school dropped him. PC got involved, helped him with the paperwork. By the time he became eligible, their new coach had used up his scholarship $. So, he called NU, which had shown earler interest.

Ferriero was unhappy with his deal at BC and loudly announced that he was reopening his recruitment. Five schools lined up interviews with the family. Cronin was one of the earliest interviewers and made the sale. Now what was wrong with that!?

The Freres Roy had a longstanding relationship with Jerry Keefe, who had recruited them for Brown. When they decided, or were advised, to play in a stronger league, they thought of NU for a variety of reasons. You may be sure that we didn't make the first call to them norr were we the only school they interacted with.

It seems that somehow you have set yourself up as a message board bully and that for you, and a few others, Northeastern's program is the soft kid who won't hit back. You don't throw punchs. Instead, you use misstatements and suggestions of facts not in evidence. You are a perfect example of "a little knowledge can be dangerous". Combine that condition with a vindictive and nasty attitude toward our University and its hockey program, and you make yourself the perfect addition by subtraction.

Kindly go back to haunting the bu or BC threads until the time comes when you can offer some accurate, fact based, constructive commentary to our discussions

You need to stop being such a wimp. Every time I post something you overanalyze and get butthurt about it if it can possibly in any way be construed as a knock on Northeastern. I'm well researched on all of those NU kids if you didn't realize it. You didn't teach me anything. The point is, NU has no problem taking kids that had "committed" elsewhere and now they are all high and mighty about the morality of kids backing out of commitments. "Oh but this is different he signed a NLOI..." give me a break. There's no real difference. It's laughable.

The whining coming from Huntington Ave only serves to continue to wrap you program around the loser mentality that has persisted over the decades. Man up, stop crying, and move on - that goes for both the fans and administration. That's what some other programs do and it serves them well (some even win championships by taking this approach, imagine that!).

And I'm not going to absolve this Szmatula kid either. Was NU possibly foolish to be involved with this kid after breaking prior commitments over his earlier career (including Sacred Heart). Tell ya what, cancel the zambonis cleaning up the ice during intermission. You and Madigan can slide your faces across the Matthews ice in between periods and let the drool freeze on top of the existing sheet. Shouldn't have any problems getting a nice clean surface.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

And the broken record continues to spin...

Anyway, this whole thing is hitting a dead end. Northeastern putting its foot down in a sort of hypocritical way. DU fans pretending they wouldn't care if the player wanted to go somewhere else which is horse----. BC fans coming in to subliminally crap on what is indeed a lackluster Northeastern program and the whiners demanding that grown adults (20 years old) never get called out for breaking commitments. Boo hoo to that last one by the way.

In the end, this isn't going to change reality which is that Northeastern has wasted more time that could've been spent with a real coach. And the program has again hit a brick wall.

What happened happened, so we'll see what Szmatula decides to do.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Selective memory is a wonderful thing. Yours is working perfectly. Revisionist history comes into play here as well.

First of all, Manson was committed to Q for the 12-13 season. He, or his dad, saw that Oleksiak had turned pro and called Sebastien (Albie was gone by then) to ask if we had interest. what do you find objectionable?

Manno ws set to go UMass but the didn't get through the clearinghouse and the school dropped him. PC got involved, helped him with the paperwork. By the time he became eligible, their new coach had used up his scholarship $. So, he called NU, which had shown earler interest.

Ferriero was unhappy with his deal at BC and loudly announced that he was reopening his recruitment. Five schools lined up interviews with the family. Cronin was one of the earliest interviewers and made the sale. Now what was wrong with that!?

The Freres Roy had a longstanding relationship with Jerry Keefe, who had recruited them for Brown. When they decided, or were advised, to play in a stronger league, they thought of NU for a variety of reasons. You may be sure that we didn't make the first call to them norr were we the only school they interacted with.

It seems that somehow you have set yourself up as a message board bully and that for you, and a few others, Northeastern's program is the soft kid who won't hit back. You don't throw punchs. Instead, you use misstatements and suggestions of facts not in evidence. You are a perfect example of "a little knowledge can be dangerous". Combine that condition with a vindictive and nasty attitude toward our University and its hockey program, and you make yourself the perfect addition by subtraction.

Kindly go back to haunting the bu or BC threads until the time comes when you can offer some accurate, fact based, constructive commentary to our discussions

I agree. And that goes for you, too. All of you take that lame, east coast bull sh*t and go play in the traffic, please.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

And the broken record continues to spin...

Anyway, this whole thing is hitting a dead end. Northeastern putting its foot down in a sort of hypocritical way. DU fans pretending they wouldn't care if the player wanted to go somewhere else which is horse----. BC fans coming in to subliminally crap on what is indeed a lackluster Northeastern program and the whiners demanding that grown adults (20 years old) never get called out for breaking commitments. Boo hoo to that last one by the way.

In the end, this isn't going to change reality which is that Northeastern has wasted more time that could've been spent with a real coach. And the program has again hit a brick wall.

What happened happened, so we'll see what Szmatula decides to do.

Yeah, yeah, whatever you say. Now move along.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

You need to stop being such a wimp. Every time I post something you overanalyze and get butthurt about it if it can possibly in any way be construed as a knock on Northeastern. I'm well researched on all of those NU kids if you didn't realize it. You didn't teach me anything. The point is, NU has no problem taking kids that had "committed" elsewhere and now they are all high and mighty about the morality of kids backing out of commitments. "Oh but this is different he signed a NLOI..." give me a break. There's no real difference. It's laughable.

The whining coming from Huntington Ave only serves to continue to wrap you program around the loser mentality that has persisted over the decades. Man up, stop crying, and move on - that goes for both the fans and administration. That's what some other programs do and it serves them well (some even win championships by taking this approach, imagine that!).

And I'm not going to absolve this Szmatula kid either. Was NU possibly foolish to be involved with this kid after breaking prior commitments over his earlier career (including Sacred Heart). Tell ya what, cancel the zambonis cleaning up the ice during intermission. You and Madigan can slide your faces across the Matthews ice in between periods and let the drool freeze on top of the existing sheet. Shouldn't have any problems getting a nice clean surface.

This thread is called "All Things DU." And I don't think a b*tch fight between east coast weenies about Northeastern's congenital non-contender (for anything) status qualifies. Please take it on outta here.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

There is nothing that Northeastern did wrong, I agree. You are supposed to change your mind before signing your letter. If this Szmatula dude really, REALLY wants to go to DU he still has the option of not enrolling at NU and instead choose to attend DU. He would, however, not be eligible until next season.

The really bad part of this deal from my perspective is the number of east coast "fans" who have slithered in here to b*tch and whine. For whatever reason, NU seems to have a recent history of losing players (to other eastern teams). How 'bout they take this discussion some place where it's relevant? This evident inability of NU to hang on to its recruits is not a DU or Jim Montgomery problem. And all of this snarky, east coast posting is out of place here. We have enough trouble putting up with CC rope smokers and UND lawn mower throwers.

A player wanting to follow his coach to the next level is hardly revolutionary. And given the circumstances of his hiring, I seriously doubt Jim Montgomery would engage in anything remotely related to "tampering." If the kid winds up at DU, fine. If not, fine. We won 7 national championships without him. We'll win some more without him.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

The fact that you spent 15 minutes of your life posting those 4 identical posts is awesome OldPio. Actually, truth be told I forgot this was the Denver thread while I posted but by that time, too late. In my head I was like oops, my bad. Anyway, this conversation does need to move to the appropriate thread. Although, this does involve Szmatula so future posts regarding his decision if he decides to transfer to Denver are appropriate. 'Til then. PS - This is not a Biggie vs. Tupac regional battle so spare us.

 

[Ryecheers]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

You need to stop being such a wimp. Every time I post something you overanalyze and get butthurt about it if it can possibly in any way be construed as a knock on Northeastern. I'm well researched on all of those NU kids if you didn't realize it. You didn't teach me anything. The point is, NU has no problem taking kids that had "committed" elsewhere and now they are all high and mighty about the morality of kids backing out of commitments. "Oh but this is different he signed a NLOI..." give me a break. There's no real difference. It's laughable.

The whining coming from Huntington Ave only serves to continue to wrap you program around the loser mentality that has persisted over the decades. Man up, stop crying, and move on - that goes for both the fans and administration. That's what some other programs do and it serves them well (some even win championships by taking this approach, imagine that!).

And I'm not going to absolve this Szmatula kid either. Was NU possibly foolish to be involved with this kid after breaking prior commitments over his earlier career (including Sacred Heart). Tell ya what, cancel the zambonis cleaning up the ice during intermission. You and Madigan can slide your faces across the Matthews ice in between periods and let the drool freeze on top of the existing sheet. Shouldn't have any problems getting a nice clean surface.

Wimp! Really? I'll admit that you can't be a wimp and last very long as a Husky hockey fan. It helps to have a skin like an elephant!

PLease show me a school (other than the service academies) who hasn't taken a player who had committed elsewhere. BC was thrilled when Gaudreau asked out of his NLI. bu would love to get Askew onto its "campus". Vermont has McCarthy and so on. There plenty more whose stories never saw the light of day. How many players have been the victims of coaching changes. The new coach doesn't give a hoot about the previous coach's "forward recruits". He wants his own players. Should these players be required to wear a "Scarlet R" as rejected recruits to signify their shame and that of the school that ultimately enrolled them?

In any event, lets take this discussion off the Denver thread. If you insist on airing your vendetta towards NU, do it where the readers will actually care about what you say.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

The fact that you spent 15 minutes of your life posting those 4 identical posts is awesome OldPio. Actually, truth be told I forgot this was the Denver thread while I posted but by that time, too late. In my head I was like oops, my bad. Anyway, this conversation does need to move to the appropriate thread. Although, this does involve Szmatula so future posts regarding his decision if he decides to transfer to Denver are appropriate. 'Til then. PS - This is not a Biggie vs. Tupac regional battle so spare us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. "Shut up, he explained." Take your little, unimportant intramural squabbling somewheres else, please.

 

[NCAAfan500]

I agree. And that goes for you, too. All of you take that lame, east coast bull sh*t and go play in the traffic, please.

Typical western cream puff. You should grow a set instead being the typical western wuss.

 

[vizoroo]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Back to Pioneer Hockey--
It is June and there has been only 1 mention of who will be the DU Captain next year and who do we expect to be skating in October. And do we have a goalie to back up Sam Brittain?

First, let's look at the team and expected incomimg Frosh:

Seniors
1 G Sam Brittain
10 D David Makowski

Juniors
4 D Josiah Didier
19 F Daniel Doremus
14 F Larkin Jacobson
21 D Joey LaLeggia
16 F Zac Larraza
12 F Ty Loney
25 F Matt Tabrum
(No Mermis)

Sophomores
17 F Garrett Allen
39 F Grant Arnold
9 F Gabe Levin
27 F Quentin Shore
8 D Nolan Zajac

Incoming Freshmen
*D Will Butcher (U.S. Under-18)
*D Matt Van Voorhis (Sioux Falls, USHL)
*F Brad Hawkinson (Lincoln Stars, USHL)
*F Trevor Moore (Tri-City, USHL)
F Landon Smith (Chicago, USHL)
F Connor Chatham (Omaha, USHL)
F Ray Pigozzi (Chicago, USHL)
D Nick Neville (Texas, NAHL)
F Evan Janssen (Dubuque,USHL)
*NLI signed

No word on an incoming Goalie!


So that leaves the question of next year's Captain ripe for discussion.

Consider:

• No returning Alternate Captain
• Only 2 Seniors
• One Senior is the Goalie who usually don't wear the "C"
• Knowledge of team dynamics--anyone?
• New Coach--does he select or let the team elect?

]

 

[Old Pio]

Re: All Things Denver--XXXV

Back to Pioneer Hockey--
It is June and there has been only 1 mention of who will be the DU Captain next year and who do we expect to be skating in October. And do we have a goalie to back up Sam Brittain?

First, let's look at the team and expected incomimg Frosh:

Seniors
1 G Sam Brittain
10 D David Makowski

Juniors
4 D Josiah Didier
19 F Daniel Doremus
14 F Larkin Jacobson
21 D Joey LaLeggia
16 F Zac Larraza
12 F Ty Loney
25 F Matt Tabrum
(No Mermis)

Sophomores
17 F Garrett Allen
39 F Grant Arnold
9 F Gabe Levin
27 F Quentin Shore
8 D Nolan Zajac

Incoming Freshmen
*D Will Butcher (U.S. Under-18)
*D Matt Van Voorhis (Sioux Falls, USHL)
*F Brad Hawkinson (Lincoln Stars, USHL)
*F Trevor Moore (Tri-City, USHL)
F Landon Smith (Chicago, USHL)
F Connor Chatham (Omaha, USHL)
F Ray Pigozzi (Chicago, USHL)
D Nick Neville (Texas, NAHL)
F Evan Janssen (Dubuque,USHL)
*NLI signed

No word on an incoming Goalie!


So that leaves the question of next year's Captain ripe for discussion.

Consider:

• No returning Alternate Captain
• Only 2 Seniors
• One Senior is the Goalie who usually don't wear the "C"
• Knowledge of team dynamics--anyone?
• New Coach--does he select or let the team elect?

]

Assuming we had the roster space, how 'bout giving an "A" to a guy with a beard and foam rubber head? I dream about heads exploding all around campus. Especially on that committee of obedient house mice.