All Things Denver XXIX

[Puck Swami]

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DU played ok tonight, but UAA has really improved on team speed and goaltending. That game could have gone either way. Both teams had loads of chances.

The Shore-to-Bennett goal tonight was world class, although UAA fans are saying it was offsides. I'd have to see a replay to see if they were right.

 

[Dmann]

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Random thoughts:

1- It would be nice to crush another team for a change, we are talking cardiac kids here.
2- Nice job by Mermis for setting up Nick Shore on the assist to Bennett. It's nice to see him get a point.
3- I'm soooooo happy Jackson is back, he is a definite presence out there.
4- I thought the fan base was pretty argumentative last night, what's up with that? Don't these two fan bases get along pretty well?
5- Who the hell was that Lebron guy?, no wonder he has a negative rep.! tick tock my ***!
6- I hope Pickering is OK, I'd love to hear an update on him. Man that must have been painful.
7- It's really cool to see how Nick Shore is developing, (possible man crush in the making!)
8- Can you believe we are in first place?
9- We seem to be deep at all positions.
10- I think we're gonna open up a can tonight!!

 

[Bagman]

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Stastny gets his 100th career NHL goal today vs Bruins.

 

[Old Pio]

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Random thoughts:

1- It would be nice to crush another team for a change, we are talking cardiac kids here.
2- Nice job by Mermis for setting up Nick Shore on the assist to Bennett. It's nice to see him get a point.
3- I'm soooooo happy Jackson is back, he is a definite presence out there.
4- I thought the fan base was pretty argumentative last night, what's up with that? Don't these two fan bases get along pretty well?
5- Who the hell was that Lebron guy?, no wonder he has a negative rep.! tick tock my ***!
6- I hope Pickering is OK, I'd love to hear an update on him. Man that must have been painful.
7- It's really cool to see how Nick Shore is developing, (possible man crush in the making!)
8- Can you believe we are in first place?
9- We seem to be deep at all positions.
10- I think we're gonna open up a can tonight!!

Let me take a shot at #4. Last year you'll recall Patrick Wiercioch got hurt following a knee to knee hit by Kane LaFranchise who has since been kicked out of school because he's unable to meet the stringent academic standards of UAA. Following the incident, the most prominent UAA poster advanced a theory that Patrick, Gwoz and the whole DU staff were conspiring to fake an injury. Her "proof": after the initial hit, Patrick did take a couple of shifts and she was in the stands and could "see" that Patrick really wasn't hurt.

I took exception to her diagnosing an injury from 200 feet away, in fairly strong terms (shut up, he explained). And also questioned what possible purpose this alleged conspiracy would serve. This set off a flamefest, for which I take significant responsibility. For reasons that I can't comprehend, this UAA poster had a very good reputation. But calling one of our kids a liar, in my mind, crossed the line. This flamefest even induced a young DU poster to take sides with the UAA poster, calling her his "friend and ally" and calling me the "biggest a*shole" he'd ever encountered, or something. That in turn set off another round, with some DU posters coming to my defense along the lines of: "he may be an a*shole, but he's our a*shole."

At bottom, my principal beef was this UAA poster's repeated insistence that Patrick was a liar. Ultimately, she retracted that smear, but it wasn't easy, I can tell you. So that's the recent history here. As to the past, I'll leave that to people who've been around longer than me. But the undeniable fact is the UAA posters (as opposed to all UAA fans) have a huge chip on their shoulders and on a per capita basis complain about officiating more than any group I've encountered. No penalty called against them is ever justified. And their opponants constantly get away with fouling their players with no calls. Thus, every loss is explained by this continuing, comprehensive misfeasance, malfeasance and non feasance by the officials. One of their posters explained it last night. At least in his mind, the entire WCHA is out to get the Seawolves. I'll allow for the possibility that he's a garden variety troll and does't actually believe this nonsense, but he does a really good job of faking it, if true.

Bottom line, whether they're serious or not, UAA posters whine and complain about officiating constantly. And several orders of magnitude more than any other WCHA group. And last night, for a while, I stupidly allowed myself to be sucked in to this silly business. I got it under control eventually and will be on my best behavior tonight.

 

[Puck Swami]

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UAA is the most improved team in the WCHA. Big, strong, quick sticks, vastly improved team speed and now goaltending to go with good positional play. They only thing they lack is scoring depth and maybe one more puck moving defenseman. They gave DU all it wanted last night, and they were a few hit pipes from beating the Pioneers.

DU will need to be better with the puck tonight if they hope to sweep.

 

[Old Pio]

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UAA is the most improved team in the WCHA. Big, strong, quick sticks, vastly improved team speed and now goaltending to go with good positional play. They only thing they lack is scoring depth and maybe one more puck moving defenseman. They gave DU all it wanted last night, and they were a few hit pipes from beating the Pioneers.

DU will need to be better with the puck tonight if they hope to sweep.

They were really throwing the bodies around.

 

[vizoroo]

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Century Club Countdown
Kyle Ostrow
97 down 3 to go

(oops--missed one last night )

 

[manurespreader]

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Let me take a shot at #4.....

Bottom line, whether they're serious or not, UAA posters whine and complain about officiating constantly. And several orders of magnitude more than any other WCHA group. And last night, for a while, I stupidly allowed myself to be sucked in to this silly business. I got it under control eventually and will be on my best behavior tonight.

If you don't mind.... I don't think any official purposely favors or disfavors any particular team. BUT...it's human nature to tilt toward one team to some degree. Often this team happens to be the one with the winning record.... it's just a fact of life.. if your team is winning or is at home, you have a better chance of getting calls than you do if you lose or are on the road. Not a lot mind you, but at least some.Is the whole WCHA against UAA?.... of course they are, and CC, and UMD...and...

I also think coaches teach kids what they can get away with and what they can't, and where on the ice they can and can't. etc. Some teams are better at it than others.

second... while it's likely true the AA fans do whine, per capita more than others, in my mind UMTC and UND fans take the cake. And for similar reasons..
Certainly everyone whines to a certain extent.. you know, one team's aggressive going hard to the net is the other team's forward running the goalie. I think the truth is that there is generally more to an altercation, penalty, what have you, than appears on the surface. I think regularly it is payback for something that has been going on, unpenalized and unseen by us, for a period or two. I don't think these things happen very often without some instigation at some point, and then of course finger pointing. Just my opinion though.

 

[Puck Swami]

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Referees are rarely the cause of wins and losses - perhaps 5% of the time, since they are human and make mistakes. The good teams overcome poor officiating.

 

[dggoddard]

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UAA is the most improved team in the WCHA. Big, strong, quick sticks, vastly improved team speed and now goaltending to go with good positional play. They only thing they lack is scoring depth and maybe one more puck moving defenseman. They gave DU all it wanted last night, and they were a few hit pipes from beating the Pioneers.

UAA is a team heavily loaded with Seniors who are having nice seasons. If you want to see how they will do next season check out Exhibit A...

http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/umass-lowell/mens-hockey/2010-2011/

UMass-Lowell was heavily stacked with Senior talent last year and had a nice season. This year, not so much.

 

[dggoddard]

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Referees are rarely the cause of wins and losses - perhaps 5% of the time, since they are human and make mistakes. The good teams overcome poor officiating.

In other words Recruiting trumps refereeing 95% of the time.

UAA record against Denver reflects recruiting differences not officials bias. As DU's recruiting has ramped up since 2000 the series has become insanely one sided.

 

[Old Pio]

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If you don't mind.... I don't think any official purposely favors or disfavors any particular team. BUT...it's human nature to tilt toward one team to some degree. Often this team happens to be the one with the winning record.... it's just a fact of life.. if your team is winning or is at home, you have a better chance of getting calls than you do if you lose or are on the road. Not a lot mind you, but at least some.Is the whole WCHA against UAA?.... of course they are, and CC, and UMD...and...

I also think coaches teach kids what they can get away with and what they can't, and where on the ice they can and can't. etc. Some teams are better at it than others.

second... while it's likely true the AA fans do whine, per capita more than others, in my mind UMTC and UND fans take the cake. And for similar reasons..
Certainly everyone whines to a certain extent.. you know, one team's aggressive going hard to the net is the other team's forward running the goalie. I think the truth is that there is generally more to an altercation, penalty, what have you, than appears on the surface. I think regularly it is payback for something that has been going on, unpenalized and unseen by us, for a period or two. I don't think these things happen very often without some instigation at some point, and then of course finger pointing. Just my opinion though.

Good, accurate analysis. And I think it's important to differentiate between UAA posters and UAA fans. I'm only familiar with the former, and they whine quite a bit and have developed their "Rodney Dangerfield" complex to a fine art. I can only speak for myself, but I make a conscious effort to avoid commentary about the officials on the scoring threads. About as far as I'm willing to go is "that could have gone either way." My feeling is if it's close enough for them to call, there's a good chance they got it right. Sure, diving and arm raising and all the rest are part of the game. And it gets real hot in Phoenix too, so what? Swami's right, referees rarely influence the outcome of games. And the idea that there's a league wide plot to punish UAA is ridiculous on its face. Just to emphasize my point, drop into a UAA scoring thread almost any time, and what you'll generally find is a whine fest about the officiating. Not a lot of the time or most of the time, just about every time. It's actually quite humorous. As I say, it could be that small group of very dedicated posters dealing as best they can with their, uh, lack of success. Whatever it is, it's a fact.

 

[manurespreader]

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Referees are rarely the cause of wins and losses - perhaps 5% of the time, since they are human and make mistakes. The good teams overcome poor officiating.

When I first got into coaching, a longgg time ago, I was so frustrated by the officiating that I went to the head of the league about it... his response... you have to learn to win in spite of the officiating.. truer words were never spoken.

In other words Recruiting trumps refereeing 95% of the time.



UAA record against Denver reflects recruiting differences not officials bias. As DU's recruiting has ramped up since 2000 the series has become insanely one sided.

amen brother. Agree 100%.

 

[vizoroo]

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If you don't mind.... I don't think any official purposely favors or disfavors any particular team. BUT...it's human

second... while it's likely true the AA fans do whine, per capita more than others, in my mind UMTC and UND fans take the cake. And for similar reasons..
Certainly everyone whines to a certain extent.. you know, one team's aggressive going hard to the net is the other team's forward running the goalie. I think the truth is that there is generally more to an altercation, penalty, what have you, than appears on the surface. I think regularly it is payback for something that has been going on, unpenalized and unseen by us, for a period or two. I don't think these things happen very often without some instigation at some point, and then of course finger pointing. Just my opinion though.

I would have to agree. UND fans whine often, loud and for a lomg time, bringing up a game that happened the previous season. :-o

 

[Dmann]

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bump!!

 

[vizoroo]

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DU moves up one spot to 5th on INCH Power Rankings.

The Pioneers were 4-4-2 on Nov. 6 after dropping a 9-2 decision at Colorado College. In the 16 games they’ve played since then, DU is 12-1-3 overall and 9-0-1 at Magness Arena.

 

[Garibaldi83]

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I have to say the game on saturday night was the best I have seen in quite some time. The juke moves put on by Bennett and Zucker were out of this world! Go Pios, rest up this week so we can dominate the Kitty Cats!!

 

[dggoddard]

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The DU hockey team wasn't the only ones firing on all cylinders this weekend.

Nice job by the DU fans on the scoring thread on Friday night. Old Pio was a force and CO14ers brought his A game.

Kyle Ostrow interviewed on FSRM. "First, I want to thank my teammates. Second, I want to thank the refs for giving us this game. Although the Seawolves suck my nuts and have no talent, the refs really took our back tonight." LOL.

- CO14ers​

 

[Dmann]

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The DU hockey team wasn't the only ones firing on all cylinders this weekend.

Nice job by the DU fans on the scoring thread on Friday night. Old Pio was a force and CO14ers brought his A game.

Yeah, I noticed things were a lot more subdued Saturday night. Oh wait, some of the regulars weren't on board that night cough cough co14ers cough cough

 

[dggoddard]

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Yeah, I noticed things were a lot more subdued Saturday night. Oh wait, some of the regulars weren't on board that night cough cough co14ers cough cough

The UAA fans didn't post on Saturday night. They hung out on the UAA Live Blog and made a bunch of classless statements about our players, our coaches and other things.

The UAA fan base has gone off the deep end.