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Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

NorthernLite said:
The U-18's is a meaningless exhibition game.
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Yea, in the thick of rankings and the grand scheme of Adrian's season it is meaningless. But it is a good talking point as we know. :cool:

The U-18's looked really impressive when me and Webb watched them at Schwann's in MN. We watched their exhibitions before their gold medal run at the U-18 World Championship in Fargo.

I have to note though, now that they are playing in the USHL; NTDP is 0-8-1 on the first 9 games of their inaugural season. I'd have to imagine they are getting physically overworked by 21 year olds playing in the USHL. I think NTDP is a bit more finesse and don't have the warhorses in the stable.
 
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BlueDevilRadio said:
I have to note though, now that they are playing in the USHL; NTDP is 0-8-1 on the first 9 games of their inaugural season. I'd have to imagine they are getting physically overworked by 21 year olds playing in the USHL.
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Check the NTDP website. The U-18's have only played one or two of the games on the USHL schedule. The U-17's play the bulk of the NTDP's USHL schedule.

I did some research on the subject because their record didn't make any sense to me. It seems as though it's not the U-18's in the USHL, but rather USA hockey. The U-18's will play some of those games, but the bulk of their competition is NCAA and international.

here's the U-17's schedule: http://www.usahockey.com/USANTDP/default.aspx?NAV=AF_02_01&ID=233686

and the U-18's: http://www.usahockey.com/USANTDP/default.aspx?NAV=AF_01_01&ID=233680
 
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

BlueDevilRadio said:
Yea, in the thick of rankings and the grand scheme of Adrian's season it is meaningless. But it is a good talking point as we know. :cool:

The U-18's looked really impressive when me and Webb watched them at Schwann's in MN. We watched their exhibitions before their gold medal run at the U-18 World Championship in Fargo.

I have to note though, now that they are playing in the USHL; NTDP is 0-8-1 on the first 9 games of their inaugural season. I'd have to imagine they are getting physically overworked by 21 year olds playing in the USHL. I think NTDP is a bit more finesse and don't have the warhorses in the stable.
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You do realize at this point in the season there are no 21 year olds in the USHL. And looking at the rosters of the teams they've played so far they've barely played any 20 year olds. Fact is the U-18 team just isn't that good against the USHL
 
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

altazo said:
Check the NTDP website. The U-18's have only played one or two of the games on the USHL schedule. The U-17's play the bulk of the NTDP's USHL schedule.

I did some research on the subject because their record didn't make any sense to me. It seems as though it's not the U-18's in the USHL, but rather USA hockey. The U-18's will play some of those games, but the bulk of their competition is NCAA and international.

here's the U-17's schedule: http://www.usahockey.com/USANTDP/default.aspx?NAV=AF_02_01&ID=233686

and the U-18's: http://www.usahockey.com/USANTDP/default.aspx?NAV=AF_01_01&ID=233680
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It seems like a mix of both U-17 and U-18 playing USHL teams.

U-18's are 1-3 against USHL teams so far this season and the U17's are really getting pounded and are 1-11 against both NAHL and USHL teams.
 
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

se41 said:
You do realize at this point in the season there are no 21 year olds in the USHL. And looking at the rosters of the teams they've played so far they've barely played any 20 year olds. Fact is the U-18 team just isn't that good against the USHL
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Alright, let me re-word by saying "19 and 20 year olds" or players who are more 'mature'.

What is the explanation of your fact that the U18's aren't 'good' against the USHL?

After this, we'll drop it as to not hijack this thread.
 
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

BlueDevilRadio said:
Alright, let me re-word by saying "19 and 20 year olds" or players who are more 'mature'.

What is the explanation of your fact that the U18's aren't 'good' against the USHL?

After this, we'll drop it as to not hijack this thread.
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The U 18's were all born in 1992. The U 17's in 1993. It makes sense that a group of 16 year olds would struggle against USHL teams.
 
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

altazo said:
The U 18's were all born in 1992. The U 17's in 1993. It makes sense that a group of 16 year olds would struggle against USHL teams.
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In the trivia department, there are only 4 players on the U-18 Roster whose previous team wasn't the U-17 team.

Also, U-17 Roster Here.
 
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altazo said:
The U 18's were all born in 1992. The U 17's in 1993. It makes sense that a group of 16 year olds would struggle against USHL teams.
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I think that is a very valid argument for the U17's, but not so much for the U18's.

There are players that step into the USHL at that age by foregoing their senior year with their high school/prep team and step right in no problem.

The U-18's will nearly all be heading to Div. I and a decent number will head to the show. I wouldn't say skill would be an issue. So I dont think that would be as much of a factor for them as compared to the U17's.

Now back to more on-topic issues :D
 
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You posted that the U 18's were 0-8-1 vs. the USHL. That is simply not true, and I only posted to clarify that. In fact I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of 17 year old (not ALL, but most) USHL players would rather be in the NTDP program and on the U 18 team given the opportunity, because as you stated, it's basically a ticket to a top flite D1 program scholarship.

Also, many of those kids verbally commit to the D1 school of their choice 2 or even three years before they actually arrive on campus. It's very different than at the D3 level where some kids decide to come a month or two before classes start and only after they've exhausted all their avenues of playing D1 or somewhere else.
 
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

A couple things may be a little out of character for me, but....

Interpret the result however you wish. Adrian and the U-18 team were tied after overtime, and U-18 won the shootout. If you want to say "tie", fine, and if you want to say "well, U-18 won the game", fine as well. I don't care.

Adrian got the first two goals on the game, one on a breakaway by Dahlinger and another on a tip-in by Kuzyk. U-18 got a late 2nd period goal and an early 3rd period goal to tie it up.

The U-18 team is really good this year, even better than most years. They've got a lot of size and an incredible amount of skill. Oh, and judging by the roster, we saw the real deal tonight, not 14 guys from the U-17 team and the bottom half of the U-18 roster.

I really, really hate to go here, but the officiating was the worst I've ever seen in my life. I have never once thought that a crew would actually be biased toward one team, but I'm convinced tonight that was the case. I'll take the worst D-III referee working a game tonight, and he'll look like Bill McCreary compared to this imbecile. This Rankin guy is going to be working house leagues until he's 80 if that's all the better job he's going to do. I'm not going into details, but you had to see it. First we're going to play 4x4 in OT, then we start OT with 5x5. Then we're going to a 3-man shootout, but the thing went 4 rounds (USA won the shootout 2-0). The zamboni driver comes out to dryscrape the ice and wets down the area right in front of Adrian's goaltender, and gets to the blue line before a linesman tells him how to prep the ice for a shootout. An amateur-hour production out of the officiating crew. Very disappointing.

Adrian's got a helluva team, again. The only way they're not going 20-0 in the MCHA again this season is if they have a bad night and a couple bounces go the opposition's way. If Graham can mesh with Skelly and Miller again, that top line is going to be just as deadly as in years past. There's depth in the 2nd and 3rd lines, and the top 4 defensemen are as solid as I've seen yet.
 
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Having seen the U-18 team absolutely throttle Utica last week with that same "real deal" lineup on the ice, I can say from experience that they are incredibly good.

So, I don't care that I have never seen Adrian play... I am convinced that they are a very, very good team. This easterner will definitely not miss the chance to see them in Oswego later this season.
 
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I think the shots on goal wound up 41-32 for the U-18's.
Brad Fogal in my mind, was Adrian's best player on the ice. He made some incredible saves. Not too often has he been called upon to be the difference in a game. He was definitely the difference in this one.


The U-18's carried the play in the first 2 periods
Adrian played shorthanded for 16 miniutes. I can only recall Adrian having 4 powereplays. I believe all goals were even strength.
Adrian are no strangers to the penalty box ........but this ref only saw one colour most of the night.
Adrian surprisingly killed two off in the third......and still managed to outshoot and outplay them in the third. The U=18's were hanging on in the final minutes.

A great result considering it was our first game of the year and he U-18's have played 13 games....including victories over some good college teams.
and all but one player is commited to high profile DI programs.

For any hockey fan this was fun to watch !
 
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

NL, that's a fairly good summation of what we saw last night.

Couple points of clarification here.

According to the flyer we grabbed last night with the roster sheets, the U-18 team sits with a 6-5-0-2 record this season. I'm assuming this is against USHL competition.

Also, from what I saw, three of their players are not committed to D-1 schools next season: F Chase Balisy, F Brandon Saad (their leading scorer), and F Austin Czarnik (a relation to Michigan's Rob Czarnik, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see this Czarnik end up in Ann Arbor as well). Everyone else is going D-1, either to a school in the CCHA, WCHA, or Hockey East, except for Iles, who is off to Cornell.

I would have liked to have seen Michigan recruit Jack Campbell in net, but Andy Iles (Cornell commit) has been nearly his equal this season, stat-wise and was very good last night. He didn't give us anything cheap, much like the rest of the U-18 team.

Jarred Tinordi (I'm assuming Mark's kid) stands about 6-foot-20 and is built like a Dodge Ram, and is exactly the kind of defenseman you want on your team, but can't stand to watch play against you. He's going to be a high-PIM guy at Notre Dame next season, even under Jeff Jackson. He's got 24 PIM in 13 games already this year.
 
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I was also at the Adrian US-18 game last night and the officials were horrible. The calls were very one-sided. Adrian played very well and if they play like that all year long I think and undefeated season might be coming. I know that there are Adrian haters every where but hopefully this year we will show them that we should have been in the tournament the last two years. Go Bulldogs!
 
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope

altazo said:
Then why do you feel that a shootout loss to them warrants Adrian moving up in the polls as you elude to in the MCHA thread? :rolleyes:
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IMO, a tie in regulation play to a respected program versus the losses of some the ranked teams could give some credence to a claim for Adrian moving up, but it wasn’t an NCAA DIII team and nevertheless, it wasn’t a win. As was noted, regular season polls won’t be starting until November 9.
 
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Thanks for the update from the U18 game. I wasn't able to make it, unfortunately, but am looking forward to the opening weekend.

So here's the question I've been mulling over. What does Adrian have to do to convince the naysayers? Given that the MCHA will still be considered weak, winning the AQ obviously won't be sufficient (and rightly so). Will winning a single game in the tournament be good enough? Would losing a close first-round game on the road against the top-seeded team be good enough?
 
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