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#6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

None of my point had to do with whether the hit on DaCosta was cheap, or whether or not Desimone should get disciplined (which apparently he wasnt). I havent seen a replay so wont pass judgement. Someone mentioned that Umile disciplines his players for crossing the line, so I can only assume that Umile thought it was a clean hit or didnt warrant any sort of suspension or Umile does not actually discipline his players. One of these three.

Umile certainly has a history of dealing with stupidity on and off the ice. I think any coach has to if he wants to keep his team on an even keel. In my book, if you are too arbitrary, you can alienate the team, if you're too loose, you can you lose respect. As far as specific examples, two years ago Umile finally had enough of Danny Dries' act, on the ice (too many stupid penalties) and off (too many bar incidents) and booted him off the team three days before the Manchester regionals. Garrett Stafford's senior year, one where he sat out the first semester because of his failure to gain a B grade in a summer school class, was further shortened second semester when Umile found out Stafford was blowing off classes again. I believe he sat out two weekends worth of games. He suspended a whole bunch of players in the aftermath of the 2004 Red Sox World Series victory after they were warned not to be anywhere near the "celebration" in downtown Durham and ignored the advice. I think, overall, the players know not to cross Umile. From what I hear, he does a pretty good job of getting his point across if you do.
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

hmmmmm......you'll need to prove that one:)...I think it was Jon over at Friar-ville. If you can get him to dispute his origination of that, I'll stand corrected and will humbly offer an apology....(cough, cough, bs!)

Well it was PC who took out Carney in 01-02, whose absence forced Ayers to play with a slashed wrist up at Maine that year.
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

hmmmmm......you'll need to prove that one:)...I think it was Jon over at Friar-ville. If you can get him to dispute his origination of that, I'll stand corrected and will humbly offer an apology....(cough, cough, bs!)

I don't need him, I know. I t was back when Ben Guite was public enemy #1
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

I'm gonna use my "selective memory" here and say I recall Bishop standing up with his legs spread apart in the crease and Smith(?) deciding not to go around his big frame .

Funny thing about memories... When you recall it, you're not actually recalling the actual event. You're recalling the version of the last time you recalled that memory.
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

Well it was PC who took out Carney in 01-02, whose absence forced Ayers to play with a slashed wrist up at Maine that year.
Well, it was actually Matt Hoppe checking a player into Carney, but why split hairs?

I don't need him, I know. I t was back when Ben Guite was public enemy #1
This is kind of like debating who started using "sieve" at hockey games first. I first started noticing the term after Jason Platt crosschecked Colin Hemingway in the face at the Coffin.

I wonder if DaCosta and the rest of the Warriors feel he is. Dirty is as dirty does.
How can he be considered dirty? That was probably one of the first times he's actually initiated contact in his career.
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

hmmmmm......you'll need to prove that one:)...I think it was Jon over at Friar-ville. If you can get him to dispute his origination of that, I'll stand corrected and will humbly offer an apology....(cough, cough, bs!)

It was definitely Wally. No argument from me...
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

I think that it's pretty commonly accepted that it was Wisconsin (sorry to undermine your point).

Actually, you can go back to Cornell in the early '70's. First I heard of it was in the '71 ECAC playoffs, Cornell vs. BU. Also, first time I ever heard "one, we want more." I am sure that there are historians out there who can enlighten us further, but that's what I remember.
 
Actually, you can go back to Cornell in the early '70's. First I heard of it was in the '71 ECAC playoffs, Cornell vs. BU. Also, first time I ever heard "one, we want more." I am sure that there are historians out there who can enlighten us further, but that's what I remember.
I can faintly remember brown hockey doing the 1234 we want more chant with the band.back in 1972 with curt bennet
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

This is kind of like debating who started using "sieve" at hockey games first. I first started noticing the term after Jason Platt crosschecked Colin Hemingway in the face at the Coffin.
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No, it extends back to at least the early 80's, if not before. I've told this story many times before: back then, UNH had a goalie named Dan Magnarelli. I went to watch a UNH game at Harvard, and their clever fans held up a sign that read "Magnarelli: Italian word meaning sieve". I had heard the term used prior to that as well. (Also, I always thought it was a good thing Preston Callandar was a forward and not a goalie. Can you imagine the play on the name "Callandar"? ("Colander" = "sieve")
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

Actually, you can go back to Cornell in the early '70's. First I heard of it was in the '71 ECAC playoffs, Cornell vs. BU. Also, first time I ever heard "one, we want more." I am sure that there are historians out there who can enlighten us further, but that's what I remember.
Posters on ELynah from that era suggest that they got it from Wisco at Placid '70:
I'm almost certain the "sieve" was used by the about 100 or so Wisconsin fans who made their way to Lake Placid in 1970. Some even had sieves on poles they would dangle over the ice as they chanted. I don't really remember if the Cornell fans picked it up then or after the still-painful-in-my-memory NCAAs in 73.
I was referring to the provenance of *Cornell* fan's use of the sieve chant, which seems to date to one of two playoff encounters with Wisconsin in the early 1970s. Badger fans' had already been doing it in an organized way for a loooooong time before then; they seem to deserve credit for its spread elsewhere.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,46795,46795
The thread also details the history of other cheers including the goal count, "it's all your fault", and others

There was a thread here on USCHO several years back on the history of the sieve chant complete with a write up from a Badger fan that was there for the first one in the Dane County Coliseum, I remember reading that the goalie was so shook up by it that he left the ice in tears and refused to come back on. :eek: Will search the archives and see if I can find it.
 
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Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

Pack Networks does video production for Hockey East games at both UNH and Merrimack. During the Lawler game they showed replays of the hit several times between periods, including slow motion.

They have archive access for sale separately, but I'm not paying $90 just to see the hit again. Perhaps a UNH fan with a season pass from unhwildcats.tv can view the archive footage and comment?

I'm wondering if pack network had a different angle than what they showed live on unhwildcats.tv. I just watched the archived footage from Friday night's game, and from the overhead footage at live speed, there's NO WAY to tell any intent on the play. Its a center ice high above the rink view, and you can't see anything other than a collision. I don't know if what they showed the next night was the same view, or zoomed in or slowed down, or even if it was from their cameras (rather than team film?) Either way, I'm not sure how you can tell from that. I'm not taking a position either way because my seats were from an even worse angle than the camera angle, and I couldn't tell from the archived footage, but I'm curious as to what was shown Saturday night on replay...
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

I'm wondering if pack network had a different angle than what they showed live on unhwildcats.tv. I just watched the archived footage from Friday night's game, and from the overhead footage at live speed, there's NO WAY to tell any intent on the play. Its a center ice high above the rink view, and you can't see anything other than a collision. I don't know if what they showed the next night was the same view, or zoomed in or slowed down, or even if it was from their cameras (rather than team film?) Either way, I'm not sure how you can tell from that. I'm not taking a position either way because my seats were from an even worse angle than the camera angle, and I couldn't tell from the archived footage, but I'm curious as to what was shown Saturday night on replay...

Any chance you can post the footage you are seeing Shawn?
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

Any chance you can post the footage you are seeing Shawn?

I have no idea, is there any way to grab video from archived footage like that? (is it kosher?) I am very computer illiterate, but if there's a way to grab a clip...
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

I have no idea, is there any way to grab video from archived footage like that? (is it kosher?) I am very computer illiterate, but if there's a way to grab a clip...
It may not be kosher, but it is definitely do-able. What format is it streamed in?
 
Re: #6 UNH, Home and Home with #12 Merrimack, Fri 2/11 Sat 2/12

I'm wondering if pack network had a different angle than what they showed live on unhwildcats.tv. I just watched the archived footage from Friday night's game, and from the overhead footage at live speed, there's NO WAY to tell any intent on the play. Its a center ice high above the rink view, and you can't see anything other than a collision. I don't know if what they showed the next night was the same view, or zoomed in or slowed down, or even if it was from their cameras (rather than team film?) Either way, I'm not sure how you can tell from that. I'm not taking a position either way because my seats were from an even worse angle than the camera angle, and I couldn't tell from the archived footage, but I'm curious as to what was shown Saturday night on replay...

Having seen both broadcasts, from my memory what was shown in replay on Saturday was the same footage from Friday.

Again, I don't think trying to judge the intent is possible. The footage isn't going to show what DeSimone was thinking no matter how close and sharp it was. The question is only whether you can see whether DeSimone sticks his leg out or not. I recall from the replays that his leg was visible, but I don't have access to the footage now, so all I have is my recollection.
 
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