Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
People getting killed? Doesn't matter if your guy is at the helm. Nice.
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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Jeez Bob, and you complain when people put words in your mouth.
Jeez Bob, and you complain when people put words in your mouth.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Huh? He was saying to prioritize, but until recently they didn't even need a supervisor's approval to release people with serious criminal records? In what way shape or form is that prioritizing that makes any sense? Obama's schtick on this was to focus on serious cases with criminal records and let most everyone else slide. He obviously isn't even doing the first part. And he tells me to stop bi tching.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
How much does it cost to drive the dude to the fence and throw him over?
How much does it cost to drive the dude to the fence and throw him over?
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Lets put aside how you completely skipped over the article I posted showing Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than anyone else, including your former hero GWB or Saint Reagan. The sad reality is not everybody who should get the boot is going to. First of all, you also glossed over the fact that both the courts and federal law by way of a SCOTUS ruling got almost half of these people released. Beyond that unfortunately some people are going to commit crimes before the govt has a chance to process them. Some natives who are parolled end up turning around and killing people as well. Its a sad reality but as I think Confucius said "sh !t happens".
Ask Bob.
Huh? He was saying to prioritize, but until recently they didn't even need a supervisor's approval to release people with serious criminal records? In what way shape or form is that prioritizing that makes any sense? Obama's schtick on this was to focus on serious cases with criminal records and let most everyone else slide. He obviously isn't even doing the first part. And he tells me to stop bi tching.
Lets put aside how you completely skipped over the article I posted showing Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than anyone else, including your former hero GWB or Saint Reagan. The sad reality is not everybody who should get the boot is going to. First of all, you also glossed over the fact that both the courts and federal law by way of a SCOTUS ruling got almost half of these people released. Beyond that unfortunately some people are going to commit crimes before the govt has a chance to process them. Some natives who are parolled end up turning around and killing people as well. Its a sad reality but as I think Confucius said "sh !t happens".
Ask Bob.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
You mean like how you really didn't address what I posted? I know your schtick. I'm not taking the time to comment on every tidbit you reference. So again, you have no problem with ICE letting go people who have serious criminal records and who, shockingly then commit more serious crimes, including murder. Nice.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I think he did address it. Your post accused Obama of not doing anything. His rebuttal was that Obama has done more, in terms of actually deporting people, than any previous president. To put it another way: if Obama's approach is incompetent, all prior presidents were even less competent, so this is not an "Obama problem," it's a systemic problem. Which is reasonable, considering that immigration has been as much an evergreen political problem as Middle East peace. But that doesn't stop partisans from using it to whip up their own or others' partisan frenzy.
Obama isn't not doing anything his predecessors didn't not do.
I think he did address it. Your post accused Obama of not doing anything. His rebuttal was that Obama has done more, in terms of actually deporting people, than any previous president. To put it another way: if Obama's approach is incompetent, all prior presidents were even less competent, so this is not an "Obama problem," it's a systemic problem. Which is reasonable, considering that immigration has been as much an evergreen political problem as Middle East peace. But that doesn't stop partisans from using it to whip up their own or others' partisan frenzy.
Obama isn't not doing anything his predecessors didn't not do.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
And as well all know, raw numbers rarely tell the full story of anything, and I think the numbers are a lot more complex than you and Rover let on. Obama has taken every chance he's had, especially recently, to be as lax as he can.
My point was about the serious criminals among the illegals. Pointing out a bunch of folks overall got sent back doesn't address my point and is merely trying to switch topics.
And as well all know, raw numbers rarely tell the full story of anything, and I think the numbers are a lot more complex than you and Rover let on. Obama has taken every chance he's had, especially recently, to be as lax as he can.
unofan
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That's b.s., but this is one of your issues you are rabidly blind on, so there's no use trying to sway you with actual facts.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
He obviously believes Trump's speech from yesterday where he said that we were getting the worst of the worst and all the people illegally crossing the border are rapists and murderers.
He obviously believes Trump's speech from yesterday where he said that we were getting the worst of the worst and all the people illegally crossing the border are rapists and murderers.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
So we aren't supposed to believe facts? Ooookaaayyy then.
What I'm saying is they're clearly trying to get rid of people here illegally based on quantitative analysis but some don't get tossed on time, due to 1) Court actions, 2) Laws restricting detention for more than 6 months, and 3) sheer volume. You aren't going to process everybody due to the restrictions of time and resources. Not sure why that's so hard for you to figure out.
So we aren't supposed to believe facts? Ooookaaayyy then.
What I'm saying is they're clearly trying to get rid of people here illegally based on quantitative analysis but some don't get tossed on time, due to 1) Court actions, 2) Laws restricting detention for more than 6 months, and 3) sheer volume. You aren't going to process everybody due to the restrictions of time and resources. Not sure why that's so hard for you to figure out.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
It's an enforcement issue like anything else. Our system is expensive and the laws we have on the books are many. We NEVER allocate the resources necessary to enforce our laws. We do that on purpose. We probably do that on purpose so everyone can just enforce the laws they want to.
So we aren't supposed to believe facts? Ooookaaayyy then.
It's an enforcement issue like anything else. Our system is expensive and the laws we have on the books are many. We NEVER allocate the resources necessary to enforce our laws. We do that on purpose. We probably do that on purpose so everyone can just enforce the laws they want to.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Wrong. Your point, asserted many times, is that Obama either doesn't care about the immigration issue or is darkly complicit for Democrats' political gains. This is just another in an endless series of posts by you supposedly demonstrating that idea. But the fact that Obama has been more "effective" than any other president in showing illegals the door completely rebuts your underlying point. You keep peddling but the chain's come off -- the base idea that Obama Is Evil Or Inept on immigration doesn't hold water -- so you're not getting anywhere.
The election will be interesting, because Jebbers Don'tSayMyLastName has been if anything more liberal in his immigration proposals than Obama has been on policy. Presumably you will hold him to the same standard we've seen from you these past 6 years.
Wrong. Your point, asserted many times, is that Obama either doesn't care about the immigration issue or is darkly complicit for Democrats' political gains. This is just another in an endless series of posts by you supposedly demonstrating that idea. But the fact that Obama has been more "effective" than any other president in showing illegals the door completely rebuts your underlying point. You keep peddling but the chain's come off -- the base idea that Obama Is Evil Or Inept on immigration doesn't hold water -- so you're not getting anywhere.
The election will be interesting, because Jebbers Don'tSayMyLastName has been if anything more liberal in his immigration proposals than Obama has been on policy. Presumably you will hold him to the same standard we've seen from you these past 6 years.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
That's the way it works, yes. Overscoping law enforcement while underfunding it means you have to make choices, and choices mean you can let the rich and their children off, and you can always find a reason to hassle or arrest the poors.
This is not a bug; it is a fundamental design component.
That's the way it works, yes. Overscoping law enforcement while underfunding it means you have to make choices, and choices mean you can let the rich and their children off, and you can always find a reason to hassle or arrest the poors.
This is not a bug; it is a fundamental design component.
Now that is one awesome mixed metaphor. Nicely done!
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
If we enforced every single law on the books, every single person in this country would be in prison. Why? There are laws that contradict each other.
If we enforced every single law on the books, every single person in this country would be in prison. Why? There are laws that contradict each other.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I was going for clever pun. (sits in corner; sulks)
I was going for clever pun. (sits in corner; sulks)
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Can you read today? My point was in my post. You are harking back to past discussions, not what I posted on, which linked to a specific story about people that were murdered by illegals that had been released by ICE. Don't be a Scooby or somebody like that around here. You're usually better than that.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Is it any wonder why I referred to him as a troll the other day?
Is it any wonder why I referred to him as a troll the other day?
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