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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

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St. Clown said:
He's not going to find a bank that can handle $295MM in deposits that supports his views. He'd have to find a small community bank that has only a branch or three if he wants one that's not gay friendly. Even then he'll have to pay close attention. Simply put, he's out of options.

ETA: Excuse me, he has $295MM in assets, which would likely give his org around $10-15MM in deposits. My point still stands.
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I'm surprised they're not trying to create a parallel economy. They've got parallel churchs, think tanks, media outlets, and schools, why not create parallel banks, law firms, and insurance companies to go with the likes of Hobby Lobby, Cracker Barrel, Purina, and Chick-fil-A?

I'm not really kidding -- they'd have to be careful about staying right on the line of civil rights laws, but they could probably get away with a lot of Neanderthal crap, and they have an enormous consumer base to exploit. It could work like the Hasidim, right down to the wire fraud and molestation.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm surprised they're not trying to create a parallel economy. They've got parallel churchs, think tanks, media outlets, and schools, why not create parallel banks, law firms, and insurance companies to go with the likes of Hobby Lobby, Cracker Barrel, Purina, and Chick-fil-A?

I'm not really kidding -- they'd have to be careful about staying right on the line of civil rights laws, but they could probably get away with a lot of Neanderthal crap, and they have an enormous consumer base to exploit. It could work like the Hasidim, right down to the wire fraud and molestation.
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Banks are highly regulated institutions, so I'm not sure The First National Bank of the Klan could get a charter. Beyond that though, if the banking industry could prevent Wal-Mart from offering banking services due to the threat of competition, Franklin Graham doesn't have a prayer (pun intended).
 
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Graham's move doesn't make sense to me, especially looking long term. The PC police will increasingly hound those who do not conform and moving business to entities that haven't caved in yet is at best a short term stop gap measure, as eventually all will submit or will be hounded out of business.
 
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St. Clown said:
He's not going to find a bank that can handle $295MM in deposits that supports his views. He'd have to find a small community bank that has only a branch or three if he wants one that's not gay friendly. Even then he'll have to pay close attention. Simply put, he's out of options.

ETA: Excuse me, he has $295MM in assets, which would likely give his org around $10-15MM in deposits. My point still stands.
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He should have thought of that, or at least done his research, before he opened his mouth.
 
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Rover said:
Banks are highly regulated institutions, so I'm not sure The First National Bank of the Klan could get a charter. Beyond that though, if the banking industry could prevent Wal-Mart from offering banking services due to the threat of competition, Franklin Graham doesn't have a prayer (pun intended).
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It's possible they could get a charter. FDIC insurance, on the other hand, probably wouldn't happen.

There was a time when credit unions were created for the sole use of dues-paying members of various unions and their families, hence why they still have some corporate ties, as do some banks (Ally was originally the financing division for General Motors before they went independent; H&R Block also had a similar financial institution, as I remember that was the reason I bought their stock, as the panic over that sale made zero sense to me). Obviously credit unions have started to open their doors to everyone, mostly catering to people trying to circumvent Glass-Steagall and Dodd-Frank, and they have their own insuring agency.
 
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Franklin Graham said:
Evangelical pastor Franklin Graham announced yesterday that he intends to “fight the tide of moral decay that is being crammed down our throats by big business, the media, and the gay & lesbian community.”
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M$NBC said:
Graham, son of the famed evangelical pastor Billy Graham, runs the church his father started, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, which had net assets of $295 million in 2014, according to the most recent data available on the ministry’s website.
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Yeah, the Graham ministry is absolutely not "big business". :rolleyes:
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Yeah, the Graham ministry is absolutely not "big business". :rolleyes:
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Not compared to the Walmarts, Targets, Apples, etc. that increasingly tilt toward liberal interests in favor of what Graham considers moral decay.
 
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St. Clown said:
He's not Big Biz, he's Big Org. There's a difference!
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Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?
 
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Bob Gray said:
Not compared to the Walmarts, Targets, Apples, etc. that increasingly tilt toward liberal interests in favor of what Graham considers moral decay.
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I know. I just find it amusing when the multi-millioniares complain about the multi-billioniares. :p
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?
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It's the usual hypocrisy.

Even worse, they're just going to drive up property values in hell. -- Matthew 19:24
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?
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Is this true in regard to Franklin Graham? I've never heard anything about him living in a huge mansion and my general impression is that he's not that type, but I honestly don't know.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Is this true in regard to Franklin Graham? I've never heard anything about him living in a huge mansion and my general impression is that he's not that type, but I honestly don't know.
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It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".
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Of course they are. I wish him much success in washing the gay away from the world.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".
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It's possible means we don't know. Isn't a rectory for a pastor of a church or such? Graham, I don't believe pastors a church, but rather is involved in things like the charity Samaritan's Purse that helps with things like disaster relief.
 
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My impression of the elder Graham was he was a sort of inoffensive Dale Carnegie type of preacher and his theology was a Chauncey Gardiner-esque "plant the seed in the spring that you will see green shoots." He seemed like Rotary Club stuff, as opposed to the crazies like Oral Roberts or the transparent con men like Pat Robertson. Now, spoiled sons are often malignant versions of their more honorable fathers (Dubya, William Kristol, John Podhoretz), so younger Graham may just be another hypocrite riding the God gravy train, or not. Personally I'd never heard of him until this thread.
 
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Kepler said:
My impression of the elder Graham was he was a sort of inoffensive Dale Carnegie type of preacher and his theology was a Chauncey Gardiner-esque "plant the seed in the spring that you will see green shoots." He seemed like Rotary Club stuff, as opposed to the crazies like Oral Roberts or the transparent con men like Pat Robertson. Now, spoiled sons are often malignant versions of their more honorable fathers (Dubya, William Kristol, John Podhoretz), so younger Graham may just be another hypocrite riding the God gravy train, or not. Personally I'd never heard of him until this thread.
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I'm familiar with Samaritan's Purse (and Franklin) from back in the 80s - our church youth group supplied labor to some of the work sites that SP was funding to fix up old houses. They were just over the border in Boone, NC.

Ironically, their motto is "Our purse is always empty." $295M doesn't sound empty to me...
 
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Looking at Charity Navigator, Samaritan's Purse is very highly rated. Same thing on Charity Watch. We give to them occasionally and when I've looked into them in the past, they've always been highly rated. But, hey, with Franklin Graham speaking out, some people are going to dislike them even if they are an efficient charity. As noted, if you don't say the right things in this country, you better watch out.
 
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Kepler said:
I'll say. How many non-Christian presidents again?
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We'll find that one out in eternity.

Which of course has almost nothing to do with the cultural tides in this country, which demonstrate what I say in spades.
 
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