walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
No Jr spent it in Iraq, we already know what he did.
No Jr spent it in Iraq, we already know what he did.
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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
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Slap Shot
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
New Power Plant Projects
Nuclear would probably be on pace too were it not for Fukushima.
New Power Plant Projects
Nuclear would probably be on pace too were it not for Fukushima.
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Wow! Look at all the projects that run on fairy dust!
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Without looking at link I'd bet most new plants were natty gas
ScoobyDoo
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Hey, that's the precise GOP strategy for enacting and blocking policy. Way to fit in!
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Discussion of nuclear power expansion is done until fusion becomes viable and affordable - and as far as my pea brain can understand, we are getting closer and closer each year. However even then, it will take years to convince the drooling masses that this is somehow different and safer than nuclear fission plants and that the risk of another Chornobyl/Three Mile/Fukushima in the event of a natural disaster or code ID10T error is significantly lower. Until then, plan to continue burning fossil fuels for the vast majority of America/the world's energy needs.
Discussion of nuclear power expansion is done until fusion becomes viable and affordable - and as far as my pea brain can understand, we are getting closer and closer each year. However even then, it will take years to convince the drooling masses that this is somehow different and safer than nuclear fission plants and that the risk of another Chornobyl/Three Mile/Fukushima in the event of a natural disaster or code ID10T error is significantly lower. Until then, plan to continue burning fossil fuels for the vast majority of America/the world's energy needs.
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Are the insurance companies who won't cover them part of the "drooling masses?"
Just had a vision of a National Lampoon parody of the Matrix where humans (cows too, I imagine) are fed high sugar diets and hooked up to pipes so that their "output" could supply the gas for the power plants.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
So then we should just give them tax breaks and all sorts of grants so they can make profit? No thanks. It isnt like they are gonna invest it here anyways just ask GE who pays no taxes (they have a -% tax rate that borders on the absurd) and they still ship more jobs abroad than they create here.
Face facts, your precious private businesses dont give a lick about America and no amount of bribing them is gonna change that. You can cite all the economic theories you want in the end greed always wins and as long as there are countries that allow slave wages the US is screwed.
So then we should just give them tax breaks and all sorts of grants so they can make profit? No thanks. It isnt like they are gonna invest it here anyways just ask GE who pays no taxes (they have a -% tax rate that borders on the absurd) and they still ship more jobs abroad than they create here.
Face facts, your precious private businesses dont give a lick about America and no amount of bribing them is gonna change that. You can cite all the economic theories you want in the end greed always wins and as long as there are countries that allow slave wages the US is screwed.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
If you want policy I'd rather see natural gas used in transportation as its a portable fuel like gas, diesel. My understanding is Natural gas fired power plants aren't that efficient, 45% is what I've heard. if you have a user for the steam left over from making power, then its not so bad. I know of 2 such co-generation facilities in Maine, hospital in Bangor and a paper mill in Bucksport. The efficiency hits the 60s in these cases.
Vivid imagination you have there. It was a simple statement based on the observation that its easier to license a Natural gas fired plant.
If you want policy I'd rather see natural gas used in transportation as its a portable fuel like gas, diesel. My understanding is Natural gas fired power plants aren't that efficient, 45% is what I've heard. if you have a user for the steam left over from making power, then its not so bad. I know of 2 such co-generation facilities in Maine, hospital in Bangor and a paper mill in Bucksport. The efficiency hits the 60s in these cases.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
I would have liked us to go all in with Nuclear. The reason Natural Gas is popular is it's cleaner than coal and abundant.
At this point we may have to go larger with the Government to get the jobs we need. We have the double whammy right now of Republicans hamstringing government spending to the point where we can't rebuild and boost the economy and private businesses only interested in profit not coming close to getting the job done (inversion, not investing in America, Cayman Islands, etc.).
Even if we don't go larger we at least need to change policies drastically but the GOP has absolutely zero interest in changing anything when Wall Street is living high on the hog and the 1.5% is raking it in.
I would have liked us to go all in with Nuclear. The reason Natural Gas is popular is it's cleaner than coal and abundant.
At this point we may have to go larger with the Government to get the jobs we need. We have the double whammy right now of Republicans hamstringing government spending to the point where we can't rebuild and boost the economy and private businesses only interested in profit not coming close to getting the job done (inversion, not investing in America, Cayman Islands, etc.).
Even if we don't go larger we at least need to change policies drastically but the GOP has absolutely zero interest in changing anything when Wall Street is living high on the hog and the 1.5% is raking it in.
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I assume your talking about using gasoline in cars rather than electricity fueled by natural gas powered plants. True...but the end game is electrical powered cars and then we are at least in position for solar, thermal, water to take over in natural gas in plants. Using natural gas powered plants is a stepping stone to permanent fuel independence.
Germany's consumption of electricity is at 25% alternatives...but its about half that once you include autos (read: autos are the problem). Its on target to achieve 40% for electricity and 20% for all energy. You get cars on electricity and you've solved much of the problem.
I assume your talking about using gasoline in cars rather than electricity fueled by natural gas powered plants. True...but the end game is electrical powered cars and then we are at least in position for solar, thermal, water to take over in natural gas in plants. Using natural gas powered plants is a stepping stone to permanent fuel independence.
Germany's consumption of electricity is at 25% alternatives...but its about half that once you include autos (read: autos are the problem). Its on target to achieve 40% for electricity and 20% for all energy. You get cars on electricity and you've solved much of the problem.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Have you never heard of vehicles that consume compressed natural gas? There was a push for them about 20 years ago, a lot of government vehicles had CNG engines. Until recently, a number of the transit buses around here still used CNG.
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Germany has pulled back from alternative energy policies, big time. Their electric rates shot up (not the mention having growing grid reliability problems), the industrials had a fit, and the costs were shifted to residential customers, who pay something like $0.30 per kWh, compared to maybe an average in the U.S. of $0.13 per kWh. If you're touting alternatives, Germany (or Spain, a previous hyped country) isn't a country you want to focus on.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
These alternatives would look a whole lot more attractive if the true price of Middle East oil was what was displayed at the pump.
These alternatives would look a whole lot more attractive if the true price of Middle East oil was what was displayed at the pump.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
For a start, take the purchase price and add 8 trillion dollars.
For a start, take the purchase price and add 8 trillion dollars.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
You have to solve the battery issues before that happens, its the same with solar, storage is the issue or I would be off grid.
The feds are already pushing folks to using propane or Natty gas for motor fuels. I can buy propane at the pump for 2.15 a gallon, the feds will rebate me 50 cents a gallon. propane is about 70% of gasoline in power, natural gas about 55% or close anyway. So you have to take that into consideration. It costs about 8000 bucks to convert a pickup for dual fuel, gas and propane so there is another cost. The amount I drive it might be worth it but there aren't places to buy propane as a motor fuel so I haven't done it.
You have to solve the battery issues before that happens, its the same with solar, storage is the issue or I would be off grid.
The feds are already pushing folks to using propane or Natty gas for motor fuels. I can buy propane at the pump for 2.15 a gallon, the feds will rebate me 50 cents a gallon. propane is about 70% of gasoline in power, natural gas about 55% or close anyway. So you have to take that into consideration. It costs about 8000 bucks to convert a pickup for dual fuel, gas and propane so there is another cost. The amount I drive it might be worth it but there aren't places to buy propane as a motor fuel so I haven't done it.
walrus
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