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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Old Pio said:
Crushing. And to a person of your obvious intellectual gifts, too. So much easier than answering the question, isn't it?
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Since you are such an advocate of answering the question, I have a simple one. What specific acts or omissions by either Clinton or Obama were substantial factors in causing the deaths of the Benghazi victims?

By asking you to identify "specific acts" I simply mean to avoid the vague and unhelpful "they were on duty" kind of response that could be used to cast blame for earthquakes, famine, pestilence, and Stanley Cup disappointments.
 
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burd said:
Since you are such an advocate of answering the question, I have a simple one. What specific acts or omissions by either Clinton or Obama were substantial factors in causing the deaths of the Benghazi victims?

By asking you to identify "specific acts" I simply mean to avoid the vague and unhelpful "they were on duty" kind of response that could be used to cast blame for earthquakes, famine, pestilence, and Stanley Cup disappointments.
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How about the back door deals (whether it was drug related, or something else), put together BY CLINTON, that went on that they decided to kill those four for plausible deniability? There are tapes that exist.
 
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Well, now we have a special commission on Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

How much ****ing money are we going to waste on this crap?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Well, now we have a special commission on Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

How much ****ing money are we going to waste on this crap?
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"I swear to God, I'm going to take out a second mortgage on Social Security to pay the bill if that's what it takes to get the truth!"
"What truth are you specifically looking for?"
"That it was a terrorist attack you pinko!"
"Ok, but what does that accomplish?"
"It establishes it as a terrorist attack!! How is this so hard to understand?"
"Ok, let's posit that it was a terrorist attack. What now?"
"I'm not sure what posit means and I hadn't thought ahead that far... YOU TRICKED ME!"
"...sigh"
 
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This week in Republicanism.

So, apparently in North Carolina the Republican Senate Candidate Tillis is using a sick people vs. poor people strategy to argue against raising public assistance.

This of course is ok to pit sick vs. poor while it's not ok for the Democrats to pit poor vs. rich.

Here's one of many references to what I'm referring to.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/06/47-percenter-ism-is-back/
 
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"The Plum Line; Greg Sargent's take from the liberal perspective." The liberal perspective in the Washington Post? Wouldn't that be the whole paper?
 
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This needs a new post cause it's too good to pass up.

Hey Old Pio.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the head of the Republicans’ new Benghazi committee, appeared on msnbc this morning and said the terrorist attack “transcends politics,” and should therefore not be used for partisan fundraising.

Oops.

Minutes earlier, the National Republican Congressional Committee sent out a fundraising email tied to Gowdy’s role leading a select committee to investigate the attacks.

The timing of the two events points to a problem that Republican leadership will likely encounter as it looks into the Obama administration’s handling of the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, which left four Americans dead. The temptation to rev up the base and raise money from it too could end up damaging the investigation’s credibility even before it starts.
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How's that Benghazi thing going?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/when-republican-fundraising-goes-too-far
 
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Rover said:
Opie was silent when they fundraised off of 9/11, a terrorist attack that took place on his hero's watch, so I doubt this will faze him. :rolleyes: ;)
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Tell me again about the "War on Women." About how a cow who can afford 60K for her tuition at Georgetown Law needs to have the government force a Catholic institution to pay for her generic birth control at Target.
 
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Old Pio said:
Political opportunism is a bi-partisan condition. I believe the correct usage is "thingy," according to one of the leading intellectual lights of the chorale. Four dead diplomats? As Ralph Kramden would say: "A mere bag of shells."
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Good, you're back to answer my simple question. Frankly, I thought you'd have been all over it long ago.
 
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burd said:
Since you are such an advocate of answering the question, I have a simple one. What specific acts or omissions by either Clinton or Obama were substantial factors in causing the deaths of the Benghazi victims?

By asking you to identify "specific acts" I simply mean to avoid the vague and unhelpful "they were on duty" kind of response that could be used to cast blame for earthquakes, famine, pestilence, and Stanley Cup disappointments.
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You probably have the other ladies in the chorale swooning at your intellectual prowess, but not me. You're back asking the same question: what did Obama do to "cause" the deaths at Benghazi. Only in a slightly different form. I don't think (and have never said nor implied) that he "caused" the deaths. The Islamist film critics, with their crewserve weapons did that. However, the President and Sec State have an obligation to try to avoid deaths in our diplomatic corps. So far, this administration has been unconvincing that it took that obligation seriously and did all it could to avoid those deaths. And didn't exactly cover itself with glory by dishonestly blaming a terror attack on a video which it knew was not involved.

You pose an impossible standard: I'm supposed to provide specifics when this administration has lied, caviled, obfuscated, covered up and spun this event from the very first minute they learned it was an AQ attack--which was the very first minute.

I suppose an intellectual heavyweight (and Obama water carrier) like you is unable to differentiate between policy failures and acts of God, which would account for your middle school comparisons. Or is that what you're suggesting: what happened at Benghazi was an act of God? "What difference. . .does it make?"

The guy who made certain we saw the photo of him acting all presidential in the Situation Room the night Bin Laden got clipped, wasn't in the room during Benghazi. Where was he? What was he doing? Why could nobody find the CinC to let him know an 8 hour series of attacks was underway on one of our diplomatic outposts? He have something more important on his plate?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
At this point, from the standpoint of Republican lawmakers who continue to press the issue, it clearly isn't about the Americans who were killed - it's about scoring cheap political points against the other side of the aisle. Just like Obama and his "son" Trayvon Martin.
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Help me out here. Do we or do we not have an election this fall? And doesn't the conventional wisdom dictate how crucial turnout is in off years? And reminding the Republican base about Benghazi and that IRS slag is just good politics.
 
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Old Pio said:
Help me out here. Do we or do we not have an election this fall? And doesn't the conventional wisdom dictate how crucial turnout is in off years?
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Yes, turnout for midterm elections has hovered around 40% for the past three decades. Not sure how that validates either party scoring cheap points. Sure, it's what they do - doesn't make it right.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Yes, turnout for midterm elections has hovered around 40% for the past three decades. Not sure how that validates either party scoring cheap points. Sure, it's what they do - doesn't make it right.
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Both of them. And it's insulting, to all of us. I'm reminded of that anecdote David Brinkley used to tell about the deep south candidate who accused his opponent's wife of being a "well known thespian."
 
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Old Pio said:
You probably have the other ladies in the chorale swooning at your intellectual prowess, but not me. You're back asking the same question: what did Obama do to "cause" the deaths at Benghazi. Only in a slightly different form. I don't think (and have never said nor implied) that he "caused" the deaths. The Islamist film critics, with their crewserve weapons did that. However, the President and Sec State have an obligation to try to avoid deaths in our diplomatic corps. So far, this administration has been unconvincing that it took that obligation seriously.

You pose an impossible standard: I'm supposed to provide specifics when this administration has lied, caviled, obfuscated, covered up and spun this event from the very first minute they learned it was an AQ attack--which was the very first minute.

I suppose an intellectual heavyweight (and Obama water carrier) like you is unable to differentiate between policy failures and acts of God, which would account for your middle school comparisons. Or is that what you're suggesting: what happened at Benghazi was an act of God? "What difference. . .does it make?"

The guy who made certain we saw the photo of him acting all presidential in the Situation Room the night Bin Laden got clipped, wasn't in the room during Benghazi. Where was he? What was he doing? Why could nobody find the CinC to let him know an 8 hour series of attacks was underway on one of our diplomatic outposts? He have something more important on his plate?
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Well, it's not that easy to tell, after reading through your usual clutter of insults, whether you are condemning the admin's ex post facto characterization of the attack or its failure to prevent it.
 
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