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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Obama picks ex Proctor & Gamble head to run the VA.

Cue the soap jokes.
 
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Good news, everyone. After all those thousands of hours of hearings and investigations, there's actual evidence of a horrible DOS oversight scandal that should result in political appointees going to prison. I am certain the Purveyors Of Fine Outrage will be on it relentlessly.
 
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Mississippi College Republican chair resigns, switches to the Democratic Party.
 
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Mississippi College Republican chair resigns, switches to the Democratic Party.

Mississippi Republican is shocked, shocked to discover state party is a cesspool of racist extremist mouthbreathers?

I guess some guys are one trillionth trial learners.

Good for him, but I'm not hiring him as my diagnostician.
 
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He probably just got laid for the first time, and then thought "wait a minute, all those conservative positions make no sense!".

I kid, I kid. ;)
 
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This is a more of a state and local piece, but I could not find the appropriate thread.

Any Mainers out there like to comment? I know nothing at all about any of these people except obviously Snowe and the wackjob HOF Guv.

During the meeting, the Watchmen presented LePage with a copy of the 2012 Maine Criminal Justice Academy training manual, which instructs law enforcement officers on how to handle encounters with members of the Sovereign Citizen movement. The manual states that “the FBI considers the Sovereign movement one of the nation’s top domestic terrorist threats.” The Sovereign Citizens in the room took issue with that information and asked LePage to remove it from state law enforcement training materials.

The manual is correct in its assessment. The same rejection of government authority that prompted the Constitutional Coalition to file their remonstrances often brings Sovereign Citizens into conflict with police and government officials. Many of the crimes they commit based on their beliefs are of the white-collar variety, including bank fraud, filing false liens, money laundering, illegal firearms sales, tax violations and the manufacture of false documents. When they are confronted over these violations by police officers, whom they view as agents of a fraudulent government, however, the situations sometimes escalate to violence.

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Sovereign Citizen extremists have killed at least six law enforcement officers in the United States since 2000. In one such incident in 2010, two Sovereign Citizens were pulled over by local police in Arkansas in a routine traffic stop. They pulled out an AK-47, killed the two officers, and fled the scene. They were eventually killed in a Walmart parking lot after a shootout that injured two more police officers.

In addition to these more random acts of violence, some Sovereign Citizens have also planned significant antigovernment terrorist attacks. One of the most well-known Sovereigns is Terry Nichols, who helped to plan the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more.

In short, domestic terrorists.
 
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So this is nice. House Republicans decide to get rid of disclosure requirements on free travel for lawmakers!

http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong...closure-of-free-trips-lawmakers-take-20140630

Anybody who continues to support the House GOP needs to be committed to an insane asylum. But, in the interest of fairness, lets let the USCHO conservatives tell us why they are such big supporters of Congressional Republicans. Bob, Opie, Fishy, etc - the floor is yours...
 
This is a more of a state and local piece, but I could not find the appropriate thread.

Any Mainers out there like to comment? I know nothing at all about any of these people except obviously Snowe and the wackjob HOF Guv.

Sovereign citizens are nutjobs. They take a random section from the UCC (the Uniform Commercial Code for the non-lawyers out there - essentially the laws that are used to enforce contracts nationwide) and use it as a basis too assert all sorts of conspiracy theories. I sat through an hour long seminar on the movement during a conference once, they're certifiably batshiat crazy.
 
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Sovereign citizens are nutjobs. They take a random section from the UCC (the Uniform Commercial Code for the non-lawyers out there - essentially the laws that are used to enforce contracts nationwide) and use it as a basis too assert all sorts of conspiracy theories. I sat through an hour long seminar on the movement during a conference once, they're certifiably batshiat crazy.

I had a friend down here in DC who was relatively intelligent -- engineer, graduate of Virginia Tech, systems analyst, not particularly educated but by no means a moron -- who told me completely stone-facedly that "it is an established legal fact" that "unless you work for the government or a government contractor, you are not obligated to pay taxes."

He worked for a government contractor, which is the only reason he was not having this conversation from a prison phone.

NoVa doesn't have much of a sovereign citizens movement but there are zillions of guys (they are all white male engineers) who completely believe all this far right nonsense. When I got down here I just assumed it was garden variety Neo-Confederate stupidity, but turns out they're more likely to be from New Jersey or Massachusetts than Alabama or Louisiana. The defense industry is riddled with these kooks.
 
I had a friend down here in DC who was relatively intelligent -- engineer, graduate of Virginia Tech, systems analyst, not particularly educated but by no means a moron -- who told me completely stone-facedly that "it is an established legal fact" that "unless you work for the government or a government contractor, you are not obligated to pay taxes."

He worked for a government contractor, which is the only reason he was not having this conversation from a prison phone.

NoVa doesn't have much of a sovereign citizens movement but there are zillions of guys (they are all white male engineers) who completely believe all this far right nonsense. When I got down here I just assumed it was garden variety Neo-Confederate stupidity, but turns out they're more likely to be from New Jersey or Massachusetts than Alabama or Louisiana. The defense industry is riddled with these kooks.

The story presented at the conference was a female doctor from California. Within a year she had lost her job, her medical license, her marriage, custody of her kids, and was facing significant jail time.

A couple years ago the GOP nominee for a state house seat in rural Iowa was a sovereign citizen. That person lost (thankfully) but was later seen at the gathering of the true sovereign government as a senator for the independent state of Iowa (or something like that).
 
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Which is why you need to show these people the light of day. Conservatism thrives on ignorance and conspiracy theories. Besides, its fun to see the look on their face when their bubble bursts! I had a deal with Opie that he'd post a picture of himself when Election 2012 got called and all his predictions went down the toilet but he's yet to do so. :D
 
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Which is why you need to show these people the light of day. Conservatism thrives on ignorance and conspiracy theories.

On a related note.

My wife and I have this debate all the time, where her contention is the kooks are increasing and my contention is the kooks are actually decreasing but we are increasingly likely to hear about them and from them. Religious fundamentalism is the best example. People are always amazed and depressed when studies come out showing that 60% of the public is Creationist or thinks the End Times will occur within their lifetime. This freaks my wife out. My contention is if you looked at those numbers in 1950 it would have been 70% and in 1900 it would have been 90%.

I'm sure there are also lefty humbugs that will also perish from the sunlight. Good. Forewarned is forearmed against the next demagogue, whatever her ideological camouflage.
 
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So this is nice. House Republicans decide to get rid of disclosure requirements on free travel for lawmakers!

http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong...closure-of-free-trips-lawmakers-take-20140630

Anybody who continues to support the House GOP needs to be committed to an insane asylum. But, in the interest of fairness, lets let the USCHO conservatives tell us why they are such big supporters of Congressional Republicans. Bob, Opie, Fishy, etc - the floor is yours...
Doesn't the article say the decision was made by the House Ethics Committee, not the House GOP? Isn't the House Ethics committee made up of an equal number of members of both parties? I don't want to get in the way of a good rant, but it seems to me this one is on the doorstep of the entire House.
 
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By Fall the Dems won't even need to campaign. They can just run clips like this and say, "Any Questions?"

The GOP is in a race to run away from the eejits faster than the eejits take them over. Right now it looks like a dead heat.
 
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On a related note.

My wife and I have this debate all the time, where her contention is the kooks are increasing and my contention is the kooks are actually decreasing but we are increasingly likely to hear about them and from them. Religious fundamentalism is the best example. People are always amazed and depressed when studies come out showing that 60% of the public is Creationist or thinks the End Times will occur within their lifetime. This freaks my wife out. My contention is if you looked at those numbers in 1950 it would have been 70% and in 1900 it would have been 90%.

I'm sure there are also lefty humbugs that will also perish from the sunlight. Good. Forewarned is forearmed against the next demagogue, whatever her ideological camouflage.


Kooks are just loudest, that's all. Iraq War is a great example. How many tired old fraudulent neo-cons have been making the Sunday talk show rounds lately? By that sample, you would think the public is clammoring for another war over there. Even the NY Times got busted by its public editor for being used as a platform by these clowns with no opposing viewpoints calling them out. Well, the people who live outside the Beltway news studios are about 80% against doing anything militarily back in that godforsaken place. Yet for some reason Dick Cheney is still getting booked for interviews, which is kinda like asking Bernie Madoff for investment advice...
 
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