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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Kepler said:
It is as if the GOP is running a double blind experiment to see how low a percentage of women a national party can get and still remain viable.

At this point, what percentage of non-fundamentalist women consider themselves Republican? 10%?
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Hey, aside from the women vote, the young vote, the minority vote, the east coast, the west coast, the midwest and some of the southwest the GOP is doing fine dammit! :D :D :D
 
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walrus said:
Anyone post the latest Quinipiac poll, Obama is right where he belongs. 1400 or so registered voters(all racists I'm sure) found him the worst president since WW2.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/poll-obama-worst-president-since-wwii-108507.html
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I've often thought that would be a good Las Vegas prop bet. Will a sitting President, in the last 2 years of a second term, be more or less popular than common STDs? Probably about -260 on the under.
 
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walrus said:
Anyone post the latest Quinipiac poll, Obama is right where he belongs. 1400 or so registered voters(all racists I'm sure) found him the worst president since WW2.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/poll-obama-worst-president-since-wwii-108507.html
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Some other findings from the same poll:
Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, 39 percent of voters say, while 40 percent say he is worse
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America would be better off if Republican Mitt Romney had won the 2012 presidential election, 45 percent of voters say, while 38 percent say the country would be worse off.
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Let the spin begin
 
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Won't history judge the success or failure of the president?
 
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I'm always amused by polls like this. I'm going to point out something unpleasant here. Any poll showing Reagan as the most popular president is overly comprised of old people, because to have any good recollection of Reagan's Presidency you'd have to be in your 40's. To have voted for him, your 50's.

So no offense but people like walrus, Opie, joecct, Fishy, huskfan, etc are old. That's not a bad thing as I hope to be old someday myself. ;) But if you take a poll where old people are most likely the ones participating, you're going to get results that senile Reagan was some sort of Saint and Bush II was really misunderstood!

However, no worries here. As I've said before, I look forward to Bush II and Cheney hitting the campaign trail for the GOP candidate in 2016! Who's with me?
 
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Rover said:
So no offense but people like walrus, Opie, joecct, Fishy, huskfan, etc are old. That's not a bad thing as I hope to be old someday myself. ;) But if you take a poll where old people are most likely the ones participating, you're going to get results that senile Reagan was some sort of Saint and Bush II was really misunderstood!
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Speaking as an old person myself, I would like to point out that it actually helps one's appreciation of how destructive and mendacious Reagan was to have actually lived through the Gargoyle's Ball.

One of the great recent ironies has been the people who endlessly cavil about Obama's supposed flimsiness spent the last thirty years in a circle jerk around a Gipper cookie that was all form and no content (or, extending the metaphor, the only content it had was what they gave it).
 
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Kepler said:
Speaking as an old person myself, I would like to point out that it actually helps one's appreciation of how destructive and mendacious Reagan was to have actually lived through the Gargoyle's Ball.

One of the great recent ironies has been the people who endlessly cavil about Obama's supposed flimsiness spent the last thirty years in a circle jerk around a Gipper cookie that was all form and no content (or, extending the metaphor, the only content it had was what they gave it).
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I've never been a huge Reagan fan. His primary gift, and he was really good at it, was to be an inspirer and cheerleader, and he could do it with the best of him. His record was a bit less stellar. And of course he and Tip O'Neill bear a good chunk of responsibility for really starting us down the descent into fiscal madness.
 
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Bob Gray said:
His primary gift, and he was really good at it, was to be an inspirer and cheerleader, and he could do it with the best of him.
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He was a professionally trained actor. All politicians are actors (most of them very bad ones), but he was an actual actor. That can never be stressed enough -- Ronald Reagan's honed skill was reciting a script and creating the simulacrum of reality from all fake components (lines, pauses, gestures, expressions).

One might as well call a slowly changing screensaver of soothing colors a "president."
 
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Kepler said:
One might as well call a slowly changing screensaver of soothing colors a "president."
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I can't tell if you're making ironic fun of the current Polynesian-Kansan-Kenyan-Illini Halfrican in Chief, or not. He's certainly no Reagan, but I think he means well in spite of all the foolish blunders.
If he could run again, I wonder if "slowly changing screensaver of soothing colors" would fit on a bumper sticker? Oh well, irrelevant.
 
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geezer said:
I can't tell if you're making ironic fun of the current Polynesian-Kansan-Kenyan-Illini Halfrican in Chief, or not. He's certainly no Reagan, but I think he means well in spite of all the foolish blunders.
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Pretty much the point I was making. Those who see Obama as a silhouette propped up by handlers were somehow wowwed by Reagan, who was created in a focus group lab and wheeled out (literally, during his second term) to disgorge talking points with a winning, uncomprehending grin.

Since 1968 we've had three presidents who weren't stage directed. Two of them got impeached and the third is building houses in Africa. Maybe we should just hire actors from now on...
 
Kepler said:
Speaking as an old person myself, I would like to point out that it actually helps one's appreciation of how destructive and mendacious Reagan was to have actually lived through the Gargoyle's Ball.

One of the great recent ironies has been the people who endlessly cavil about Obama's supposed flimsiness spent the last thirty years in a circle jerk around a Gipper cookie that was all form and no content (or, extending the metaphor, the only content it had was what they gave it).
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It's actually easier to explain than that. When Tories take that poll Reagan is their only option. For some reason they don't like Ike, obviously they can't say Nixon, Ford or either Bush. So they all pick Reagan by default. On the other hand when a Democrat gets that question, the choices are split between JFK, Clinton and Obama.

Look at the results by party: Reagan gets 66% from Tories and no one else gets more than 6% (GHWB and JFK). Democrats are split between Clinton (34%) and JFK and Obama (18% each). Also, among those aged 18-29 the most popular are Clinton and JFK (21%) and Reagan (18%) - and Ike gets his highest ratings from this age group. Three of the four presidents they know only from parents, history books and movies.
 
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