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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Hey do you suppose these ISIS people were able to find all those weapons of mass destruction?
 
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Claiming the Church opposes science is just as dumb as my statement. So there, now we're even. ;)
 
geezer said:
This question misses the point somewhat. "Homosexuality" (broadly) is no more a choice than jealousy or vanity or generosity, but some people question whether your actions and lifestyle ought to be guided by any of those things. What parts of ourselves do we want to live in fulfillment of? Or you could say that homosexual inclinations are beyond our control, but sodomy is a choice.
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That question doesn't come close to missing any point, least of all whatever your divergent noise is attempting to address, when put into the context of the statements it followed.

Before coming to a conclusion, I phrased it in the most simple way imaginable based on what seemed to be implied on the previous few pages.

They are very easy questions to answer.

No idea what you're getting at with the sodomy angle, by the way. I mean, ny heterosexuality might not be a choice but you can be **** sure me shoving the champagne bottle up her *** is. Now we're getting somewhere! Jesus.
 
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Actually, the Roman Catholic Church says believing in evolution is OK. Probably a result of Vatican II, but the point is still there.
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Wasn't V2. Remember who the Gregorian calendar is named after.

The Church is not opposed to science. Science without morals is a problem as is forgetting that Somebody (we call Him God) is responsible for everything that is.
 
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Actually, the Roman Catholic Church says believing in evolution is OK. Probably a result of Vatican II, but the point is still there.
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Wow. The church says believing in some science is OK. That's some forward thinking there! I can see why you think the church advances it. I mean, they only caught on to the Copernican model of Earth revolving around the sun 500 years too late. I guess at that pace, allowing that a scientific theory that's only 150 years old might have some merit seems like advancement...
 
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joecct said:
Wasn't V2. Remember who the Gregorian calendar is named after.

The Church is not opposed to science. Science without morals is a problem as is forgetting that Somebody (we call Him God) is responsible for everything that is.
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Interesting how you're not opposed to science while claiming something wholly unscientific.

The catholic church has long apposed any version of evolution that doesn't leave room for jesus. Dogma has no place in the field of science.

No idea what you're getting at with the sodomy angle, by the way. I mean, ny heterosexuality might not be a choice but you can be **** sure me shoving the champagne bottle up her *** is. Now we're getting somewhere! Jesus.
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People who say homosexuality is just a choice have a surprisingly specific fascination and put extreme importance with what might be done with a butt.
 
joecct said:
Wasn't V2. Remember who the Gregorian calendar is named after.

The Church is not opposed to science. Science without morals is a problem as is forgetting that Somebody (we call Him God) is responsible for everything that is.
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The church is not opposed to science so long as it doesn't conflict with dogma.

No one should confuse Catholics with evangelicals who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. But let's not pretend the church is the Nobel committee, either.
 
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Anyway - what is everyone's thoughts on the Lois Lerner emails "disappearing"?
 
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joecct said:
Anyway - what is everyone's thoughts on the Lois Lerner emails "disappearing"?
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We don't know who was involved with it, but it's more than just a nasty coincidence. It could be to the point of being downright criminal and really does lend credence to the original allegations of the IRS being used as a political arm of the executive branch. Making a department lead's entire email archive disappear from servers is done for a reason. I deal in this type of stuff regularly and data like this doesn't simply disappear. Yet nothing will be done about it because it will be seen as having a partisan catalyst.

Half the reason Nixon was brought down was because his own party had leaders unwilling to tolerate a criminal coverup. Will the Dems display the same such morality?
 
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St. Clown said:
We don't know who was involved with it, but it's more than just a nasty coincidence. It could be to the point of being downright criminal and really does lend credence to the original allegations of the IRS being used as a political arm of the executive branch. Making a department lead's entire email archive disappear from servers is done for a reason. I deal in this type of stuff regularly and data like this doesn't simply disappear. Yet nothing will be done about it because it will be seen as having a partisan catalyst.

Half the reason Nixon was brought down was because his own party had leaders unwilling to tolerate a criminal coverup. Will the Dems display the same such morality?
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Call in the Geek Squad...I bet they can recover them in a couple hours.
 
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XYZ said:
That question doesn't come close to missing any point, least of all whatever your divergent noise is attempting to address, when put into the context of the statements it followed.

Before coming to a conclusion, I phrased it in the most simple way imaginable based on what seemed to be implied on the previous few pages.

They are very easy questions to answer.

No idea what you're getting at with the sodomy angle, by the way. I mean, ny heterosexuality might not be a choice but you can be **** sure me shoving the champagne bottle up her *** is. Now we're getting somewhere! Jesus.
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It's because homosexuality can be thought of in more than one way. Therefore someone can read it in another way than the question was intended. When you step back to look at the bigger picture and consider the ways that "homosexuality" can be defined as an identity, an inclination, a lifestyle, a sex act, etc., it's far from a very simple question. Hence all the angst over answering it.
Imagine, if you will, that I brought Priceless home and we made sweet love until it got light outside. That would be homosexual. Would it make me "a" homosexual? Not unless he's incredibly talented. The first one is a choice.
There are also an unknown but high proportion of people who start out some shade of bi who end up "choosing" to identify exclusively one way or the other depending on their circumstances. Then it's a choice.
Here's a good essay to read before you tell a gay person that they don't have a choice:
"Should queer people only receive equal protection under the law if we can prove that we're born this way and can't help it? Or do we perhaps deserve equal dignity simply because there's nothing wrong with being queer, and because how we live doesn't violate anyone else's rights?"
 
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There are also an unknown but high proportion of people who start out some shade of bi who end up "choosing" to identify exclusively one way or the other depending on their circumstances. Then it's a choice.
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lulz
 
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St. Clown said:
We don't know who was involved with it, but it's more than just a nasty coincidence. It could be to the point of being downright criminal and really does lend credence to the original allegations of the IRS being used as a political arm of the executive branch. Making a department lead's entire email archive disappear from servers is done for a reason. I deal in this type of stuff regularly and data like this doesn't simply disappear. Yet nothing will be done about it because it will be seen as having a partisan catalyst.

Half the reason Nixon was brought down was because his own party had leaders unwilling to tolerate a criminal coverup. Will the Dems display the same such morality?
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My first thought when I heard about this "accident" was poor Rose Mary Woods taking the blame for an 18 1/2 minute gap on an audio tape.

My second thought was, who is this generation's Alexander Butterfield?
 
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