2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

[Old Pio]

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Does anyone actually think congress is going to investigate the Iraq war? Weren't they privy to the same info as Bush and didn't they approve the war. Congress had nothing to with Benghazi so fire away

Not to mention, IIRC, one party had "veto proof" majorities in both houses and control of the WH should they have wanted to proceed.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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"Stunning ignorance of the. . .two events." Let's parse that a little. Of course the events were different. But so were the presidential responses. On the night OBL was clipped didn't Obama go on national TV to brag? And weren't there pictures taken and shown of him acting all presidential in the Situation Room? Or did I imagine all that. And on the night of the 8 hours of film critic raids on the diplomatic compound in Libya, did Obama go on national TV to brag? Were there any pictures taken and released of him acting all presidential in the Situation Room that night? In fact, do we, at this late date still not have a clear picture of where he was, who he consulted with, what he was told and what he decided to do? We do know that he spread the lie about a video for the next ten days or so. Yet you claim I'm stunningly ignorant of the events of those nights. Black Knight, meet reality.

You know, you're right. It is strange that they had that photo-op in the situation room and a television response ready to go in the one situation but not the other. It's almost as if one of the events were planned and put into motion by them, and the other one wasn't.

 

[Handyman]

You know, you're right. It is strange that they had that photo-op in the situation room and a television response ready to go in the one situation but not the other. It's almost as if one of the events were planned and put into motion by them, and the other one wasn't.

I am just glad there are no other problems in this country so we can get to the heart of the real problems!

 

[Old Pio]

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You know, you're right. It is strange that they had that photo-op in the situation room and a television response ready to go in the one situation but not the other. It's almost as if one of the events were planned and put into motion by them, and the other one wasn't.

So that's why the nearly two year delay in filling us in on Obama's activities that night. It wasn't planned. But the lie was planned and very carefully executed. And during the 8 hours of the attack there was no opportunity to rustle up a WH publicity drone to take a photo of Obama wearing his Big Boy pants in the oval? Oh well, I guess we're not supposed to notice. Certainly the Obama Kool Aid drinkers haven't noticed (or don't care). You ladies certainly aren't concerned about my analysis, but your defenses of this Obama cockup are getting increasingly shrill and silly.

 

[Old Pio]

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I am just glad there are no other problems in this country so we can get to the heart of the real problems!

Now there's an argument that's been advanced hundreds (perhaps thousands) of times over the years, by Democrats and Republicans alike, to justify changing the subject.

 

[Rover]

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I think Opie just set the record for most lies posted in one weekend! Kudos to you sir!

I always laugh about the "Oh Dems voted for Iraq War too" bit. Yes - because they got the doctored intelligence reports that Bush/Cheney and co put out! So basically in Opie/Knuckledragger world, if one side doctors reports, and the other side believe them, they're BOTH equally liable. Oooookaayyyyy....

So, lets move on.

I for one welcome this Benghazi sh !t show. What's that you say? You WANT another brainless fishing expedition? Indeed I do. In an election year, people need to be reminded constantly why they dislike Republicans so much (a party facing record unpopularity). Dumb stuff like this just brings it home. How quick did those fundraising letters go out - maybe a nanosecond after The Boner announced the committee. I mean, what are they going to explore that Issa's committee hasn't already? Is Lara Logan going to make an appearance with another "Rambo" type guy who it turns out was nowhere near the complex?

Used to be the GOP was run by evil geniuses like Lee Atwater. Now its run by laughingstocks who continually do stupid thing after stupid thing. Expect the same here, and then conservatives will have the same glazed over look on their faces when Hillary romps in 2016, just like they had when the results rolled in on Election Night 2012.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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So that's why the nearly two year delay in filling us in on Obama's activities that night. It wasn't planned.

Did I say that? I'm merely pointing out the irrationality of complaining about photo-ops or lack thereof (or other superficial responses) during two polar opposite events. I'm not about to get drawn into a full scale BENGAAAAZZZZZZIIIIIII "debate" with a (shrill and silly) hyper-partisan.

 

[Old Pio]

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Did I say that? I'm merely pointing out the irrationality of complaining about photo-ops or lack thereof (or other superficial responses) during two polar opposite events. I'm not about to get drawn into a full scale BENGAAAAZZZZZZIIIIIII "debate" with a (shrill and silly) hyper-partisan.

"Superficial response," eh. I'm guessing David Axelrod and Co. didn't think his end zone dance over the killing of Bin Laden was superficial. So you stick to your "distinction without a difference" argument. The indisputable fact is this: if Obama had wanted publicity for his actions (or inactions) during the 8 hours of the attacks in Benhazi, he would have gotten it. Presidents get publicity when they pardon the Thanksgiving turkey. So in this case, evidently, he didn't want any. I wonder why.

Now the company line, which you have internalized and spew on command, is that it's "irrational" or "crazy" or "racist" or "partisan" or something to ask these questions. And with no apparent sense of irony you describe me as a "hyper-partisan." Yet, you're right there, matching me post for post. No doubt modestly claiming you're doing it in service to "truth, justice and the American way."

 

[Old Pio]

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I think Opie just set the record for most lies posted in one weekend! Kudos to you sir!

I always laugh about the "Oh Dems voted for Iraq War too" bit. Yes - because they got the doctored intelligence reports that Bush/Cheney and co put out! So basically in Opie/Knuckledragger world, if one side doctors reports, and the other side believe them, they're BOTH equally liable. Oooookaayyyyy....

So, lets move on.

I for one welcome this Benghazi sh !t show. What's that you say? You WANT another brainless fishing expedition? Indeed I do. In an election year, people need to be reminded constantly why they dislike Republicans so much (a party facing record unpopularity). Dumb stuff like this just brings it home. How quick did those fundraising letters go out - maybe a nanosecond after The Boner announced the committee. I mean, what are they going to explore that Issa's committee hasn't already? Is Lara Logan going to make an appearance with another "Rambo" type guy who it turns out was nowhere near the complex?

Used to be the GOP was run by evil geniuses like Lee Atwater. Now its run by laughingstocks who continually do stupid thing after stupid thing. Expect the same here, and then conservatives will have the same glazed over look on their faces when Hillary romps in 2016, just like they had when the results rolled in on Election Night 2012.

"Second verse, same as the first."

 

[Rover]

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I got caught in a lie so now I'm going to write something nonsensical and hope people chalk it up to my advancing age

If you allow me to read between the lines...

 

[GrinCDXX]

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"Superficial response," eh. I'm guessing David Axelrod and Co. didn't think his end zone dance over the killing of Bin Laden was superficial. So you stick to your "distinction without a difference" argument. The indisputable fact is this: if Obama had wanted publicity for his actions (or inactions) during the 8 hours of the attacks in Benhazi, he would have gotten it. Presidents get publicity when they pardon the Thanksgiving turkey. So in this case, evidently, he didn't want any. I wonder why.

I don't care what David Axelrod and Co thought. Photo-ops and "endzone dance" addresses are superficial responses. I get it, The president and co thumped their chest over the Bin Laden raid and didn't want to talk about Benghazi. It's completely reasonable for them to be criticized over that. But, including that as justification for (more) congressional hearings? That's irrational, crazy, and certainly driven by partisanship. Racist? Not sure why you keep throwing that in there, but I can't help you with that.

No doubt modestly claiming you're doing it in service to "truth, justice and the American way."

You've got quite an imagination.

 

[Old Pio]

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I don't care what David Axelrod and Co thought. Photo-ops and "endzone dance" addresses are superficial responses. I get it, The president and co thumped their chest over the Bin Laden raid and didn't want to talk about Benghazi. It's completely reasonable for them to be criticized over that. But, including that as justification for (more) congressional hearings? That's irrational, crazy, and certainly driven by partisanship. Racist? Not sure why you keep throwing that in there, but I can't help you with that.





You've got quite an imagination.

"Imagination" is what it takes, in your mind, to decide this lying jumped up "community organizer" has been several orders of magnitude less than candid with the American people about this matter. Right? He's been lying by the clock from day one. And you're so in love with his "sharp creases" you continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, even though he no longer deserves it. And pretending that opposition to or disagreement with Obama isn't daily denounced as racist is either delusional or profoundly dishonest.

 

[Old Pio]

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If you allow me to read between the lines...

Obama and Hillary are the ones doing the lying here. Perhaps nobody will notice. We'll see.

 

[burd]

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Pio. It's like a bunch of kids poking an arthritic, addled, snarly old dog with a stick. If we didn't have you, we'd have nothing to do but poke at each other.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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"Imagination" is what it takes, in your mind, to decide this lying jumped up "community organizer" has been several orders of magnitude less than candid with the American people about this matter. Right?

No, like I clearly indicated, imagination is what it takes to come up with this:

No doubt modestly claiming you're doing it in service to "truth, justice and the American way."

How paranoid a mind does it take to assume from nothing that that is what I must be thinking? Do you come up with these bizarre storylines for everyone you disagree with?

And pretending that opposition to or disagreement with Obama isn't daily denounced as racist is either delusional or profoundly dishonest.

And where did I pretend that again? All I suggested was that your continued reference to racism is odd. I haven't made any sort of indication that I think your Benghazi screaming is driven by racism.

 

[Rover]

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Reading Opie's posts is very instructive, because it gives you an accurate window into the thought process of the non-loonitarian wing of the modern Republican Party. As an older gentleman, Opie remembers a time when you could throw any accusation against Dems of being peaceniks and bumblers in foreign policy and it would stick given the people the party was putting up at the time (from Carter to Dukakis).

The problem with his thinking, and all older Republican conservatives, is that they want you to completely forget the utter disaster that the Bush-Cheney regime was in this arena (amongst others). That's kinda hard to do when 1) that is the only GOP Presidency in a generation (1993-2017....and maybe even longer) for us to judge the party by, and 2) the last two Republican nominees for Prez (McCain, Romney) campaigned on following Bush II neo-con policies to the letter.

Perhaps, had W never become President, the American people would have more appetite to be in places like Syria, Nigeria, or the Ukraine. But you can't take away the years of 2001-2009 and the horrific, deadly and costly blunders those people made. I have a lot of respect for John McCain the soldier. John McCain the policy maker is a joke and a dinosaur. To the extent that anybody who's not still an apostle of the failed neo-con view of the world is mad at Obama over Benghazi, its because we had an outpost there in the first place, not because he didn't carpet bomb the place at the first sign of trouble. If 12 hearings, 1 million documents, and 500 crackpot theories haven't uncovered anything nefarious, I think its time for the righties to give up the ghost. I wouldn't trust the Republican Congress to get to the bottom of a case of Schlitz, let alone something line this. Trust for conservatives on foreign policy died in the sands of Iraq.

 

[5mn_Major]

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S&P breaks more records. Obama doesn't run the markets...but he has set up a very stable environment. A LOT of wealth created.

Few would have guessed that the Dow was going to skyrocket to nearly 17,000 under Obama from the GOP's 7,000.

 

[St. Clown]

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S&P breaks more records. Obama doesn't run the markets...but he has set up a very stable environment. A LOT of wealth created.

Few would have guessed that the Dow was going to skyrocket to nearly 17,000 under Obama from the GOP's 7,000.

The stock market is feeling a lot like the the late 90's to me right now. I just hope we don't get another version of 2001's market. It started to drop heavily early in the year, and then spiraled downward after 9/11. Obviously I'm not expecting another attack like that, but I really think it more sped along the big drop following the event than was a pure cause of it.

 

[Old Pio]

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Pio. It's like a bunch of kids poking an arthritic, addled, snarly old dog with a stick. If we didn't have you, we'd have nothing to do but poke at each other.

You certainly wouldn't have a president or former SecState who has told anything resembling the truth about what went on at Benghazi.

 

[Old Pio]

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Reading Opie's posts is very instructive, because it gives you an accurate window into the thought process of the non-loonitarian wing of the modern Republican Party. As an older gentleman, Opie remembers a time when you could throw any accusation against Dems of being peaceniks and bumblers in foreign policy and it would stick given the people the party was putting up at the time (from Carter to Dukakis).

The problem with his thinking, and all older Republican conservatives, is that they want you to completely forget the utter disaster that the Bush-Cheney regime was in this arena (amongst others). That's kinda hard to do when 1) that is the only GOP Presidency in a generation (1993-2017....and maybe even longer) for us to judge the party by, and 2) the last two Republican nominees for Prez (McCain, Romney) campaigned on following Bush II neo-con policies to the letter.

Perhaps, had W never become President, the American people would have more appetite to be in places like Syria, Nigeria, or the Ukraine. But you can't take away the years of 2001-2009 and the horrific, deadly and costly blunders those people made. I have a lot of respect for John McCain the soldier. John McCain the policy maker is a joke and a dinosaur. To the extent that anybody who's not still an apostle of the failed neo-con view of the world is mad at Obama over Benghazi, its because we had an outpost there in the first place, not because he didn't carpet bomb the place at the first sign of trouble. If 12 hearings, 1 million documents, and 500 crackpot theories haven't uncovered anything nefarious, I think its time for the righties to give up the ghost. I wouldn't trust the Republican Congress to get to the bottom of a case of Schlitz, let alone something line this. Trust for conservatives on foreign policy died in the sands of Iraq.

None of which explains or justifies the continual lying about what happened that night. Changing the subject isn't going to work this time.