2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

[SJHovey]

Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

Put another way, an investigation to root out fraud found more wrongfully denied ballots than fraudulent votes, at least with respect to one segment. And that's without even trying to find the former.

That's not quite what the article says. What happened was 20 felons hadn't yet had their rights restored. Therefore, they weren't "wrongfully denied" access to vote. They could have voted if they had gone through the process of restoring their rights.

But that said, let's say there are only 5 cases or 10 cases or 20 cases of voter fraud a year in Iowa. And maybe a proportionate number in the other 49 states. Should we ignore it? Should we refuse or neglect to investigate it? Should we just forget about prosecuting it? All because of what seems to be a statistically insignificant number? And if so, if only 10 people get denied access to the ballot box, should we forget about that, or refuse to do anything about it, because that number too is statistically insignificant to the outcome?

 

[unofan]

That's not quite what the article says. What happened was 20 felons hadn't yet had their rights restored. Therefore, they weren't "wrongfully denied" access to vote. They could have voted if they had gone through the process of restoring their rights.

But that said, let's say there are only 5 cases or 10 cases or 20 cases of voter fraud a year in Iowa. And maybe a proportionate number in the other 49 states. Should we ignore it? Should we refuse or neglect to investigate it? Should we just forget about prosecuting it? All because of what seems to be a statistically insignificant number? And if so, if only 10 people get denied access to the ballot box, should we forget about that, or refuse to do anything about it, because that number too is statistically insignificant to the outcome?

Ignore it? No. If you happen to come across it in the course of your normal duties, by all means prosecute.

But waste $250,000 chasing after it as a political stunt? Also no. This is not a problem requiring special task forces or commissions or congressional hearings.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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If there is nothing to fear, just humor everyone and go along with it and get it over with as quickly as possible.

And then humor them again, and then humor them again, ok, once more...no seriously guys this is the last one...

 

[Priceless]

Opie we've already had 5,000 hearings and a zillion other investigations. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So, you are now officially insane! IF this isn't an attempt to prop up a dying ideology and a bankrupt political party trying not to get crushed in the next Presidential election, why not just offer Lerner immunity in exchange for her full testimony, something she's already offered to do??? I mean, if Obama himself ordered this, don't you want to do whatever it takes to get that testimony on the record????

I like how one Democrat said the hearing was a witch hunt and Pete Sessions responded "That must mean there is a with somewhere."

Um...that isn't how a witch hunt works...

 

[GrinCDXX]

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I like how one Democrat said the hearing was a witch hunt and Pete Sessions responded "That must mean there is a with somewhere."

Um...that isn't how a witch hunt works...

The question everyone is dying to get an answer to...does Lois Lerner weigh the same as a duck?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I like how one Democrat said the hearing was a witch hunt and Pete Sessions responded "That must mean there is a with somewhere."

Um...that isn't how a witch hunt works...

I see Pete Sessions is also a moron. Do we elect anyone competent anymore?

 

[geezer]

Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

Voices in your head don't count as friends geezer.

Tell that to Fakhir and Abdul.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

I like how one Democrat said the hearing was a witch hunt and Pete Sessions responded "That must mean there is a with somewhere."

Um...that isn't how a witch hunt works...

Notice how Opie hasn't responded even though he's all hot and bothered over this? That can only mean one of two things: 1) The orderlies have taken away his internet privileges again, or 2) my question made his head explode!

But its still out there for any knuck' to answer. If there's a deeply rooted conspiracy over the IRS (or any other faux scandal) why wouldn't you offer complete immunity to all low level people until you at least reached the White House inner circle? The only other conclusion to draw is that this is a dog and pony show of no value other than to fundraise off of.

 

[SJHovey]

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Notice how Opie hasn't responded even though he's all hot and bothered over this? That can only mean one of two things: 1) The orderlies have taken away his internet privileges again, or 2) my question made his head explode!

But its still out there for any knuck' to answer. If there's a deeply rooted conspiracy over the IRS (or any other faux scandal) why wouldn't you offer complete immunity to all low level people until you at least reached the White House inner circle? The only other conclusion to draw is that this is a dog and pony show of no value other than to fundraise off of.

I would guess part of the reason no immunity has been offered is that the Republicans feel they can get quite a bit of fundraising mileage out of saying, "Hey, we subpoenaed her to try to get to the bottom of it, but she wouldn't appear unless we gave her immunity for whatever crime she committed." To the average Joe, a demand for immunity is a confession of guilt, and that's probably a lot more than the Republicans could ever get in a real prosecution.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'd prefer to give Ms. Lerner an enema instead of immunity. Nothing Nixon did with the IRS compares to the "coincidental" effort to suppress, intimidate and harass groups with whom Richard M. Obama disagreed. The goal here should be to create as much political damage to Obama and his party as possible. There's always time to throw that slag in prison.

Next up: Secretary Frequent Flyer Miles and her efforts to keep Boco Harem off the terrorist list. Given that thousands of Americans have been killed by Islamist terrorists, you'd think our government would want to err on the side of protecting our citizens, rather than avoid giving offense to a bunch of savages.

 

[burd]

Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

I'd prefer to give Ms. Lerner an enema instead of immunity. Nothing Nixon did with the IRS compares to the "coincidental" effort to suppress, intimidate and harass groups with whom Richard M. Obama disagreed. The goal here should be to create as much political damage to Obama and his party as possible. There's always time to throw that slag in prison.

Next up: Secretary Frequent Flyer Miles and her efforts to keep Boco Harem off the terrorist list. Given that thousands of Americans have been killed by Islamist terrorists, you'd think our government would want to err on the side of protecting our citizens, rather than avoid giving offense to a bunch of savages.

Thanks to Dubya's idiotic move in Iraq, the middle and far east have been a fertile spawning ground for terrorists the last 10 years. You'd think Repubs would want to avoid putting so many of our citizens in forseeable danger.

In Pio talk, "He lied, and American heads rolled."

 

[walrus]

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Wasn't the middle east a fertile ground for terrorists before Bush or is everything W's fault?

 

[burd]

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Wasn't the middle east a fertile ground for terrorists before Bush or is everything W's fault?

It is if you apply Pio's logic. Of course comparing the harm from Iraq to Benghazi is like comparing the Titanic to a bathtub toy, but the methodology is the same.

 

[Priceless]

Wasn't the middle east a fertile ground for terrorists before Bush or is everything W's fault?

Well, before W those "terrorists" were our friends. Only they didn't go by the names "Al-Qaeda" or "Taliban" back then, they were known as the Mujahideen. Now, I am not blaming W for these terrorists (the first President Bush had the crazy idea that American women in the military serving in Saudi Arabia should be able to drive and Osama went nuts) I am just saying that they used to be our kind of "terrorists". The Middle East has been a fertile breeding ground for terrorists for a few thousand years.

 

[burd]

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Well, before W those "terrorists" were our friends. Only they didn't go by the names "Al-Qaeda" or "Taliban" back then, they were known as the Mujahideen. Now, I am not blaming W for these terrorists (the first President Bush had the crazy idea that American women in the military serving in Saudi Arabia should be able to drive and Osama went nuts) I am just saying that they used to be our kind of "terrorists". The Middle East has been a fertile breeding ground for terrorists for a few thousand years.

True, true, but nobody made recruiting posters like Dubya.

 

[Old Pio]

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It is if you apply Pio's logic. Of course comparing the harm from Iraq to Benghazi is like comparing the Titanic to a bathtub toy, but the methodology is the same.

"Four murdered?" Pfffft, who cares? If it's such a non event, why the lying?

 

[Old Pio]

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Wasn't the middle east a fertile ground for terrorists before Bush or is everything W's fault?

Everything. Including jock itch.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well, before W those "terrorists" were our friends. Only they didn't go by the names "Al-Qaeda" or "Taliban" back then, they were known as the Mujahideen. Now, I am not blaming W for these terrorists (the first President Bush had the crazy idea that American women in the military serving in Saudi Arabia should be able to drive and Osama went nuts) I am just saying that they used to be our kind of "terrorists". The Middle East has been a fertile breeding ground for terrorists for a few thousand years.

The h*ll you're not blaming Bush. Every utterance from you and the rest of the ladies in the Chorale is designed to provide cover for, change the subject about or cover up what happened at Benghazi. And constantly making the moral equivalency argument as between Bush and the self-proclaimed brightest guy in any room is a dodge. It's just possible nobody could have done anything to prevent what happened there. And if we had an administration whose actions regarding "transparency" equaled its rhetoric, "dude" we might actually know the truth all these months later. Instead we've had a coverup based on a ridiculous and totally discredited lie about a video.

 

[Old Pio]

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Thanks to Dubya's idiotic move in Iraq, the middle and far east have been a fertile spawning ground for terrorists the last 10 years. You'd think Repubs would want to avoid putting so many of our citizens in forseeable danger.

In Pio talk, "He lied, and American heads rolled."

So far, the only ones endangered by Boco Haram are Christian Nigerian virgins. Pfffft, who cares? And Secretary Frequent Flyer Miles avoids calling a spade a spade. Don't want to hurt their feelings. Nice.

 

[Priceless]

The h*ll you're not blaming Bush. Every utterance from you and the rest of the ladies in the Chorale is designed to provide cover for, change the subject about or cover up what happened at Benghazi. And constantly making the moral equivalency argument as between Bush and the self-proclaimed brightest guy in any room is a dodge. It's just possible nobody could have done anything to prevent what happened there. And if we had an administration whose actions regarding "transparency" equaled its rhetoric, "dude" we might actually know the truth all these months later. Instead we've had a coverup based on a ridiculous and totally discredited lie about a video.

Please point to the part of my statement that blamed Bush for anything.

Once upon a time they were called Mujahideen. Nothing to do with Bush.
They became known as Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Again, nothing to do with Bush.
Usama went nuts over the US bases in Saudi Arabia. Nothing to do with Bush.
The Middle East has been a fertile place for terrorists for thousands of years. Nothing to do with Bush.

Not everything has do with Bush. You have a persecution problem, among other dementia. I hope you are getting the medical attention you require.


In other news that has nothing to do with Bush, Texas Governor Rick Perry has discovered why the economy is doing so lackluster: We have 90 million unemployed people in this country. I so hope he runs for the Tory nomination to be president (of a country he loves so much he wants to secede).