2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

At the end of George HW Bush's term in 1992.

Interesting, you quote extensively from a Wiki piece on the "Battle of Mogadishu" giving the impression that that defeat was somehow the fault of Bush I. It was Bill Clinton and his SecDef Les Aspin who set the stage for that slaughter. There was significant "mission creep" in Somalia. And the concern was optics and the US "footprint" in that backward land. So when the "Blackhawk was down" we didn't have M1A1s available to push through the burning tires and thugs to get those downed soldiers. Aspin, to his credit, later took responsibility and admitted he made a terrible, fatal mistake.

As chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Aspin also supported the Bush administration in the first Gulf war. That brave leadership allowed enough Democrats to vote with the president to authorize the use of force.

 

[Old Pio]

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5000 > 3

No matter who the 3 are.



I wouldn't have traded 5000 for Bin Laden.

Freeing millions of Iraqis from the depredations of one of the worst per capita monsters since the end of WWII I should think is worthwhile.

 

[joecct]

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Freeing millions of Iraqis from the depredations of one of the worst per capita monsters since the end of WWII I should think is worthwhile.

BUT, and I am not disputing what you said, if you replace one monster with another? For example, was Russia any better under Lenin than under the Czars?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Freeing millions of Iraqis from the depredations of one of the worst per capita monsters since the end of WWII I should think is worthwhile.

For who?

 

[Old Pio]

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For who?

Why not employ your tiny, closed mind to answer your own question?

 

[Old Pio]

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BUT, and I am not disputing what you said, if you replace one monster with another? For example, was Russia any better under Lenin than under the Czars?

Way worse off. Generally, totalitarian regimes are much more resistant to change than authoritarian ones. Al Maliki has a long way to go before he gets to 400K dead and use of WMD against the Kurds and invasions of his neighbors.

Just in case we've forgotten, here's video of Hussein naming the "traitors" at the top of the Baath Party. Those named were summarily executed. Ba-da-bing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm64E5R12s8

 

[joecct]

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Way worse off. Generally, totalitarian regimes are much more resistant to change than authoritarian ones. Al Maliki has a long way to go before he gets to 400K dead and use of WMD against the Kurds and invasions of his neighbors.

Just in case we've forgotten, here's video of Hussein naming the "traitors" at the top of the Baath Party. Those named were summarily executed. Ba-da-bing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm64E5R12s8

You're assuming that Maliki survives after we leave. If I was an insurance company I would make his life insurance premium very high.

 

[Priceless]

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You're assuming that Maliki survives after we leave. If I was an insurance company I would make his life insurance premium very high.

You think there's an insurance company that would even cover him?

 

[joecct]

You think there's an insurance company that would even cover him?

For the right premium even Zsa Zsa can get life insurance.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Freeing millions of Iraqis from the depredations of one of the worst per capita monsters since the end of WWII I should think is worthwhile.

Worth 5000 American lives, many, MANY more permanently injured and trillions of dollars? With nothing strategic at stake?

BS. If you can sit here and try to take that position, then you have to want to take out all of the horrible dictators in the world.


I thought you were so pro American soldier. Clearly more of your BS.

 

[Old Pio]

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You're assuming that Maliki survives after we leave. If I was an insurance company I would make his life insurance premium very high.

You may be right, especially since the Field Marshall pulled us out of there with no SOFA.

 

[Old Pio]

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Worth 5000 American lives, many, MANY more permanently injured and trillions of dollars? With nothing strategic at stake?

BS. If you can sit here and try to take that position, then you have to want to take out all of the horrible dictators in the world.


I thought you were so pro American soldier. Clearly more of your BS.

Spittle flecked nonsense.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Spittle flecked nonsense.

No spittle at all. As per usual, you're just full of crap.

 

[walrus]

Spittle flecked nonsense.

Now that's funny

 

[LynahFan]

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Worth 5000 American lives, many, MANY more permanently injured and trillions of dollars? With nothing strategic at stake?

Ah, yes, the "foreign lives are worth less than American lives" argument. But, by golly, they clearly deserve full constitutional rights when it comes to that...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Ah, yes, the "foreign lives are worth less than American lives" argument. But, by golly, they clearly deserve full constitutional rights when it comes to that...

Am I reading this correctly?

You'd like to get on board with sending our troops (and treasure) to rescue the world?


We're gonna need a LOT more troops...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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So here's - best I can tell - a list of the countries we'll need to overthrow...

Iran, China, Burma, Sudan, Yemen, Zimbabwe, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Equatorial Guinea, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Bangladesh, Libya, Nigeria, Belarus, Eritrea, India, Russia, Israel, Colombia, Ethiopia, Jordan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Chad, Laos, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Swaziland, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Honduras, Kazakhstan and Thailand.


I find it funny (but not surprising) that conservatives would trot out the "We saved the world from a horrible dictator" defense of the Iraq war. Hindsight will make you grasp for anything.

Just admit is was a mistake.

I won't even make you admit that Bush & Co. lied - which they clearly and knowingly did.

 

[Handyman]

Ah, yes, the "foreign lives are worth less than American lives" argument. But, by golly, they clearly deserve full constitutional rights when it comes to that...

I am pretty sure that is not what he said...but seeing as we are Americans and our President was acting in supposedly OUR best interests it would stand to reason we are going to discuss American lives and the detriment this farce of a war caused to our economy. Old Pio is talking about how the cost was worth the outcome...the cost is our lives and our money and we gained nothing.

Not to mention if you go back the dead Iraqis are mentioned as well...

Did you ditch Reading Comprehension and Context at SUNY-Ithaca or something

 

[Handyman]

So here's - best I can tell - a list of the countries we'll need to overthrow...

Iran, China, Burma, Sudan, Yemen, Zimbabwe, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Equatorial Guinea, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Bangladesh, Libya, Nigeria, Belarus, Eritrea, India, Russia, Israel, Colombia, Ethiopia, Jordan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Chad, Laos, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Swaziland, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Honduras, Kazakhstan and Thailand.


I find it funny (but not surprising) that conservatives would trot out the "We saved the world from a horrible dictator" defense of the Iraq war. Hindsight will make you grasp for anything.

Just admit is was a mistake.

I won't even make you admit that Bush & Co. lied - which they clearly and knowingly did.

I am a middle of the road guy and I supported the Iraq War in the beginning and I admit I was completely wrong. Epicly wrong might be the best way to put it. The way people try and justify it makes me sick to my stomach...

The War in Iraq did nothing, and as soon as we leave things will go right back to the way they were. Sure Hussein will be gone, but someone else will seize power and kill his enemies by the thousands because the people have no interest in rising up and fighting it.

 

[burd]

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I am a middle of the road guy and I supported the Iraq War in the beginning and I admit I was completely wrong. Epicly wrong might be the best way to put it. The way people try and justify it makes me sick to my stomach...

The War in Iraq did nothing, and as soon as we leave things will go right back to the way they were. Sure Hussein will be gone, but someone else will seize power and kill his enemies by the thousands because the people have no interest in rising up and fighting it.

I supported the effort in Afghanistan and opposed the Iraq invasion, but I did not foresee just how bad an idea going into Iraq was. The costs have been staggering, and they continue. And they were predicted by none other that Dick Cheney.