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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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Old Pio said:
At least Rover makes arguments. Silly, pretentious, historically inaccurate and delusional. But he makes them. You, on the other hand, seem quite satisfied to offer nothing to the conversation except smart a*s wise cracks, designed to keep the folks in the cafeteria giggling. Reflexive disagreement with me isn't an argument. It's a personality disorder.
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Sticks and stones...
 
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Old Pio said:
We made some mistakes in Iraq. But the mission, to rid the world of that beast, was a good one. And while Democrats (like the junior senator from Illinois) asserted the war was "over" and we had "lost" and the surge "wouldn't make any difference" Bush proved that strong leadership in the WH can be decisive.

Now we're doing our best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Politically driven withdrawal with no status of forces agreement. A strategy calculated to make it much more likely that AQ and other Islamist pigs can reassert themselves (as they are already doing). It didn't have to end this way.
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Opie, whenever I start believing you when you claim you were never, NEVER I SAY, a Bush II apostle, you come up with a gem like this! :D

Two bit dictator Saddam Hussein was not worth 5,000 US lives, nor 1T in US funds. If you think he was, you need to come clean and say so right now. Your pithy "mistakes were made" do no good for those 5,000 now lying in their graves, nor the family members they left behind. Bad things happen, the difference is when they happen by choice. Iraq was a Bush admin, a conservative, and a Republican party choice, as all of these were all in.

It was awful nice of Bush to realize 6 years into the war that he needed to commit more troops because we weren't being greated as liberators after all. Gee, we should put him on Mt Rushmore for that. :rolleyes: I will now come over your house and light it on fire, but if I save your collection of Barry Manilow 8 track tapes I expect you to forget about who burned down your pad and thank me for rescuing your prized music collection.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Old Pio said:
We made some mistakes in Iraq. But the mission, to rid the world of that beast, was a good one. And while Democrats (like the junior senator from Illinois) asserted the war was "over" and we had "lost" and the surge "wouldn't make any difference" Bush proved that strong leadership in the WH can be decisive.

Now we're doing our best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Politically driven withdrawal with no status of forces agreement. A strategy calculated to make it much more likely that AQ and other Islamist pigs can reassert themselves (as they are already doing). It didn't have to end this way.
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Good for who? There is still civil war in Iraq going on that has lasted 1000's of years. Nothing has changed over there accept 1 abusive dictator gone. I still wouldn't be caught dead walking down a street in Fallujah or Baghdad. It's no safer.
 
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Rover said:
Two bit dictator Saddam Hussein was not worth 5,000 US lives, nor 1T in US funds. If you think he was, you need to come clean and say so right now. Your pithy "mistakes were made" do no good for those 5,000 now lying in their graves, nor the family members they left behind. Bad things happen, the difference is when they happen by choice. Iraq was a Bush admin, a conservative, and a Republican party choice, as all of these were all in.
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Nor the (hundreds of) thousands of Iraqi dead but Opie has stated before that he doesn't value foreign lives as much as he does American.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Good for who? There is still civil war in Iraq going on that has lasted 1000's of years. Nothing has changed over there accept 1 abusive dictator gone. I still wouldn't be caught dead walking down a street in Fallujah or Baghdad. It's no safer.
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It's actually far less safe for the average Iraqi.
 
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Hey, I asked Opie to put up or shut up on whether or not he thinks the Iraq War was worth the cost to get rid of Saddam Hussein. I'm curious what his response will be....

Other USCHO righties, feel free to fess up as well! :D
 
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Rover said:
Hey, I asked Opie to put up or shut up on whether or not he thinks the Iraq War was worth the cost to get rid of Saddam Hussein. I'm curious what his response will be....

Other USCHO righties, feel free to fess up as well! :D
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A sniper could have taken him out and his 2 kids also for less than a couple of million
 
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Rover said:
Hey, I asked Opie to put up or shut up on whether or not he thinks the Iraq War was worth the cost to get rid of Saddam Hussein. I'm curious what his response will be....

Other USCHO righties, feel free to fess up as well! :D
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Yes, of course it was worth it. To see that pig dangling from the end of a rope. To see his two pr*ck sons, shot to h*ll and reconstructed like piñatas and lying on gurneys, definitely worth it. Sadly, we may be turning a big win into a big loss. And that's way more important than transitory political brownie points. Or the endless, high pitched whining from the left.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
It's actually far less safe for the average Iraqi.
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Is that your opinion? On what is it based? Hussein had rapists on the payroll (to "enhance" interrogations). He murdered around 400K Iraqis, not to mention the tens (hundreds?) of thousands who died in the war with Iran. Seems like things would have to deteriorate to an unfathomable degree for the average Iraqi to be "far less safe" than he was in the days of Hussein.
 
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Old Pio said:
At least Rover makes arguments. Silly, pretentious, historically inaccurate and delusional. But he makes them. You, on the other hand, seem quite satisfied to offer nothing to the conversation except smart a*s wise cracks, designed to keep the folks in the cafeteria giggling. Reflexive disagreement with me isn't an argument. It's a personality disorder.
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This frivolous airhead is grateful for the giggles. It's even better with his artwork which, sadly, we see less of these days.
 
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Old Pio said:
Yes, of course it was worth it. To see that pig dangling from the end of a rope. To see his two pr*ck sons, shot to h*ll and reconstructed like piñatas and lying on gurneys, definitely worth it. Sadly, we may be turning a big win into a big loss. And that's way more important than transitory political brownie points. Or the endless, high pitched whining from the left.
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You simply couldn't be more wrong.

But that's what you excel at...
 
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Old Pio said:
Yes, of course it was worth it. To see that pig dangling from the end of a rope. To see his two pr*ck sons, shot to h*ll and reconstructed like piñatas and lying on gurneys, definitely worth it. Sadly, we may be turning a big win into a big loss. And that's way more important than transitory political brownie points. Or the endless, high pitched whining from the left.
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Wow.
 
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5000 > 3

No matter who the 3 are.



I wouldn't have traded 5000 for Bin Laden.
 
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Old Pio said:
Yes, of course it was worth it. To see that pig dangling from the end of a rope. To see his two pr*ck sons, shot to h*ll and reconstructed like piñatas and lying on gurneys, definitely worth it. Sadly, we may be turning a big win into a big loss. And that's way more important than transitory political brownie points. Or the endless, high pitched whining from the left.
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If you just kind of squint your eyes and tilt your head a little (maybe hop around on one foot), it was all just a dad gum John Wayne movie.
 
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When did we put boots on the ground in Mogadishu?.
 
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joecct said:
If you're from Texas it is. The theory was good, but they forgot to plan for the endgame.
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Cheney 2003 should have listened to the younger 1994 Cheney. But then, the younger Cheney had never been CEO of Halliburton either, so what did he know?

But, as Pio says, it was a big win, so all is well. At least for some.
 
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walrus said:
When did we put boots on the ground in Mogadishu?.
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At the end of George HW Bush's term in 1992.

Operation Provide Relief began in August 1992, when the U.S. President George H. W. Bush announced that U.S. military transports would support the multinational U.N. relief effort in Somalia. Ten C-130s and 400 people were deployed to Mombasa, Kenya, airlifting aid to Somalia's remote areas and reducing reliance on truck convoys. One member of the 86th Supply Squadron, USAFE's only contribution to the operation, was deployed with the ground support contingent. The C-130s delivered 48,000 tons of food and medical supplies in six months to international humanitarian organizations trying to help Somalia's more than three million starving people.[18]


When this proved inadequate to stop the massive death and displacement of the Somali people (500,000 dead and 1.5 million refugees or displaced), the U.S launched a major coalition operation to assist and protect humanitarian activities in December 1992. This operation, called Operation Restore Hope, saw the U.S. assuming the unified command in accordance with Resolution 794. The U.S. Marine Corps landed the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit in Mogadishu and, with elements of 1st Battalion, 7th Marines and 3rd Battalion, 11th Marines, secured nearly one-third of the city, the port, and airport facilities within two weeks, with the intent to facilitate airlifted humanitarian supplies. Elements of the 2nd Battalion; HMLA-369 (Helicopter Marine Light Assault-369 of Marine Aircraft Group-39, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Camp Pendleton); 9th Marines; and 1st Battalion, 7th Marines quickly secured routes to Baidoa, Balidogle and Kismayo, then were reinforced by the 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion and the U.S. Army's 10th Mountain Division.[18]
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