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2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

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You'll have to pardon my skepticism that believers in "second amendment solutions" really want government intervention into gun-related violence. Their solution to school shootings is to arm teachers and fight against background checks that something like 75% of the population wants.

But now you want me to believe GOP backers want the feds to step into a guns issue and aren't just trying to win political points? Right...

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your smugness. Law enforcement is a local matter. And I defy you to find one instance where I've suggested or agreed with the notion that teachers or students should be armed. I have argued repeatedly that "gun people" never consider the downside in those scenarios. So when, for example, armed students at Virginia Tech begin shooting back at Woo Tang Clan, nothing bad could happen in that free fire zone. No innocent kids could be hit.

The problem of gun violence in our major cities is far more complex than your libtard analysis suggests. While not a gun person myself, we have a Second Amendment, and the Supreme Court has ruled it means individual citizens have a right to possess weapons. Chicago, as it happens, has gun ordinances so strict part of them were deemed unconstitutional by the Supremes. Libtards love to swoon over so-called "assault" weapons. A made up category of firearms which are almost never used in any kind of crime, let alone drive bys. A ten year ban on these weapons produced no decline in crime. And ten years after the ban expired, there has been no increase in their use. But, like the moron who keeps hitting his head on the wall because it feels so good when he stops, the left continues to flog this worthless "solution" to the problem of gun violence.

There was a time when the libtard trope was: "Conservatives have simple answers to complex questions." Now it's the libtards who assert a simple solution to a complex question: ban a made up category of weapons almost never used in street crime as a solution to the problem of gang violence.

You may be unable to see the hypocrisy of Neveille jumping in to the Martin shooting but remaining largely silent about the black on black slaughter in our streets, but most of the rest of us, including the ones who seldom agree with me, do.
 
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I don't claim to speak for OP (Lord knows he can do it for himself) but my take on his postings is this:

The Dems are using school shootings to ban assault rifles when statistically it's a small issue compared to what goes on in Chicago on a daily basis. Obama weighs in and said his son would look like TMartin but seemingly ignores what is going on in his hometown. Why are they directing their effort towards what some argue is a lesser issue than the daily problems in Chicago. Simple. More publicity = scoring more political points!

People "use" the school shootings because that is what grabs national headlines and gets people's attention. The 30,000+ gun deaths every year are a statistic that gets lost in the noise. When 92% of the population - including 74% of NRA members - support background checks it makes a person wonder why the NRA leadership is so opposed, especially since they used to support background checks themselves.

But I'm glad the 8% are so well represented on this site.
 
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But Jesse is the spokesman for them! So much so that his kid was elected on name only, and not because of his politics (or lack there of).

Any change needs to come from within. But it's going to take a couple generations of improvements to fix it.


But, the other problem with Chicago is the west side of the city limits. Damen to Cicero from the Eisenhowser to North Ave. It's getting to the same level of crime I heard the south side was at, and the South side is actually improving. :eek:

I suppose changes in the neighborhoods involved are inevitable. There are tens of thousands of gang bangers in Chicago. The Blackstone Rangers (who morphed into the Black P. Stone Nation) used to require wanna be juveniles to commit a murder in order to gain full membership. This concept of teenagers bringing firearms to picnics, concerts, dances and other social functions--and being willing to open fire for little or no reason, is at the heart of the matter. They even have a language for their violence. "Mushrooms" for instance, refers to innocent bystanders who get cut down as they drive by.
 
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New York is preparing to undo the monumental improvements made in fighting crime by electing a Sandanista mayor.

Like we have a Kenyan Muslin in the White House and everyone who supports him is a Communist? Oooh. Scary.
 
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People "use" the school shootings because that is what grabs national headlines and gets people's attention. The 30,000+ gun deaths every year are a statistic that gets lost in the noise. When 92% of the population - including 74% of NRA members - support background checks it makes a person wonder why the NRA leadership is so opposed, especially since they used to support background checks themselves.

But I'm glad the 8% are so well represented on this site.

I can never be absolutely certain that your smugness is directed at me. But if you've been paying attention (and the record suggests you haven't) you'll not find any post by me supporting the NRA. In fact, I've posted repeatedly that I have no use for them. Frankly, I could care less about "back ground checks." But the idea that they would stop or even slow down the slaughter in America's cities is fatuous nonsense, with zero objective data to support it. The problem is the 300 million or so weapons already out there. And the propensity criminals have for ignoring whatever laws and regulations are in place governing the use and possession of those weapons. And, of course, the willingness of a segment of our population to open fire for any perceived slight, no matter how trivial.
 
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Like we have a Kenyan Muslin in the White House and everyone who supports him is a Communist? Oooh. Scary.

You figure that's amusing? Why don't you (for once) look up DeBlasio's record and his heavy petting with the Sandanistas? Much easier to just run your mouth, isn't it? I thought libtards were supposed to be open minded. Ira Magaziner would look up DeBlasio's record. The apparent next mayor of NYC says he's unalterably opposed to "stop, question & frisk," a law enforcement technique generally credited with being causal in NYC's dramatic decline in crime. It won't matter much to you or me if he ends the practice, but the evidence suggests hundreds of New Yorkers will get dead as a consequence.
 
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I can never be absolutely certain that your smugness is directed at me. But if you've been paying attention (and the record suggests you haven't) you'll not find any post by me supporting the NRA. In fact, I've posted repeatedly that I have no use for them. Frankly, I could care less about "back ground checks." But the idea that they would stop or even slow down the slaughter in America's cities is fatuous nonsense, with zero objective data to support it. The problem is the 300 million or so weapons already out there. And the propensity criminals have for ignoring whatever laws and regulations are in place governing the use and possession of those weapons. And, of course, the willingness of a segment of our population to open fire for any perceived slight, no matter how trivial.

If I had been talking to you, I would have quoted you. Or mentioned you. Neither of which I did. Not everything is about you. I realize that may deal a blow to your inflated ego, but it is true.
 
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If I had been talking to you, I would have quoted you. Or mentioned you. Neither of which I did. Not everything is about you. I realize that may deal a blow to your inflated ego, but it is true.

Since you frequently fail to attribute your quotes, it's not entirely certain you would have done so if you had been referring to me. I may, as you say, have an "inflated ego." But it's not so inflated that it renders me stubbornly unwilling to look up something about which I am ignorant. The same cannot be said about you.
 
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Since you frequently fail to attribute your quotes, it's not entirely certain you would have done so if you had been referring to me. I may, as you say, have an "inflated ego." But it's not so inflated that it renders me stubbornly unwilling to look up something about which I am ignorant. The same cannot be said about you.
frequently = one time, to tick you off (and in a later post I did attribute it). And it isn't stubborn unwillingness that leads me to not look up some insignificant figure from the past, it's more the fact that I have better things to do with my time than search through history for the many boogeymen you mention on a regular basis. I'm sure he's some sort of Socialist, Communist or some other -ist we're all supposed to be very afraid of but really don't find all that scary.
 
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Regarding background checks, gotta disagree with Opie here. Would this practice stop contract murders? Probably not as we can assume the people in that business use guns that can't be traced. However, if somebody out of their right mind tries to purchase a gun, even if at the time of purchase they don't have a particular target in mind, it might be nice to know said person is looking to buy a firearm. A good deal of mass shootings nowadays seem to come from mentally ill or depressed people. I personally would like to have law enforcement aware of that.

It would also be nice in terms of rash shootings. Some guy found out his wife was cheating on him or going to leave him for example. He's got no criminal record, but decides to hit the ol' gun show for some hardware. Since he doesn't have connections with illegal arms dealers, he pretty much needs to purchase one through conventional means. Don't think its a bad idea for that guy to have to cool his jets for a few days, especially if its found he's had a few restraining orders or the cops have had to visit the house a couple of times in the past week.
 
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frequently = one time, to tick you off (and in a later post I did attribute it). And it isn't stubborn unwillingness that leads me to not look up some insignificant figure from the past, it's more the fact that I have better things to do with my time than search through history for the many boogeymen you mention on a regular basis. I'm sure he's some sort of Socialist, Communist or some other -ist we're all supposed to be very afraid of but really don't find all that scary.

Oh, Mr. Smug: I'd recommend an application of the First Rule of Holes here. Ignorance is not bliss.
 
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Regarding background checks, gotta disagree with Opie here. Would this practice stop contract murders? Probably not as we can assume the people in that business use guns that can't be traced. However, if somebody out of their right mind tries to purchase a gun, even if at the time of purchase they don't have a particular target in mind, it might be nice to know said person is looking to buy a firearm. A good deal of mass shootings nowadays seem to come from mentally ill or depressed people. I personally would like to have law enforcement aware of that.

It would also be nice in terms of rash shootings. Some guy found out his wife was cheating on him or going to leave him for example. He's got no criminal record, but decides to hit the ol' gun show for some hardware. Since he doesn't have connections with illegal arms dealers, he pretty much needs to purchase one through conventional means. Don't think its a bad idea for that guy to have to cool his jets for a few days, especially if its found he's had a few restraining orders or the cops have had to visit the house a couple of times in the past week.

There certainly are a lot of crazys involved in mass shootings: Woo Tang Clan at VTU, Aurora,Tuscon & Newtown to mention four. Better mental health care might have stopped all four of those of those shooters. All of them clearly were in la la land, and were known to be nutbars, but nothing definitive was done to get them off the streets. Background checks might have stopped Clan, but the evidence is less convincing in the other cases. Adam Lanza used his mother's perfectly legal AR-15 to commit his atrocity. The kid who shot and killed a teacher and himself earlier this week used a gun from his home.

As I say, background checks might stop a few people from committing a tiny percentage of crimes. But they are no panacea. Especially when the problem I've been pointing out is gang bangers "airing out" somebody's "crib" for belonging to the wrong gang. And your example of domestic shooters, similarly, might preclude a microscopic percentage of those incidents. But with 300 million guns already out there, a really motivated shooter wouldn't find background checks to be much of a hurdle. And your hypothetical is also limited to guys with "a few" TROs against them. What about everyone else?

The leading cause of death for young black men in this country is murder. Murders committed overwhelmingly by other young black men. We can nibble around the edges of this problem 'till the cows come home. But we won't make any significant progress. So by all means let's have background checks. But also let's not kid ourselves about their efficacy.
 
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The tapping of phones around the world is heating up. No sticky, right Scooby
 
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The tapping of phones around the world is heating up. No sticky, right Scooby
As Jon Stewart said last night, it's not like the NSA is doing anything to foreign citizens they aren't already doing to us!
 
The worsening Chicago (etc.) slaughter is one point where I've got to take Pio's side. All the poo-pooing and trying to sweep these things under the rug doesn't do anything for me, when it's clearly a growing problem that should be a main focus of government intervention, if government is to have any use at all. And we get no response. Is it really so hopeless? These are literally children being shot in the streets.
So instead of trying to take on real problems (thanks to you enablers who think they don't matter) we get a government that is putting all its time and energy into controlling the flow of information and dominating more and more sectors of the economy just to line their own pockets. This "defend the economic overlords at any cost" mentality is going to end up costing you everything.

So this is a problem you want the Feds to solve?
 
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So this is a problem you want the Feds to solve?

The federal role here would be limited. Dedicated block grants perhaps might help local police fund and implement programs that could be useful. Perhaps the Department of Justice could stop scrounging around for "white racists" to investigate and prosecute and do the same for "black racists." I'm no lawyer, but how about RICO prosecutions for the Black P. Stone Nation (et al) for drug dealing, murder for hire, murder for profit, etc. It might be worth looking into. It would require Mr. Holder to admit there's a problem and try to do something about it, but I'm an optimist. He certainly showed no interest in prosecuting nelly New Black Panther thugs for voter intimidation did he?

The fact that the President of the United States calls Chicago home and presumably will spend a lot of time there after he leaves Washington would certainly justify his taking notice of the problem more than he has. He might even schedule one of his fund raisers there so he could make a major policy speech, just like he did after Tucson. Like most big cities, Chicago has weapons ordinances in effect far more strict than anything likely to come out of Congress. They seem to have little impact on the killers.

Talking about the problem, especially by "black leaders" "civil rights leaders" and "black politicians" would help.

Denial, as they say, is a river in Egypt.
 
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According to a Republican I know African Americans have all the advantages and it actually sucks to be White in this country!

Now, take a minute and think about that...and I mean REALLY think about it!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

You need to quite hanging around with David Duke's cousins. Nobody, except morons, actually thinks that. You evidently think what morons think is important. I don't. And if you're trying to make some spastic universal point about Republicans, I think your sample size is a bit small.
 
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In fairness, while it'd be a stretch to say that it's a universal trait among conservatives, I'd wager that pretty much everybody knows someone who is conservative and has openly stated that minorities have a high privilege in our society and that you're better off if you're born a poor black child. (Must be all those times they've seen "The Jerk")

I personally know 5 such idiots who openly subscribe to that philosophy. None of them could be accused of being able to form a well reasoned argument, but I guess I still have more respect for them than your average, whiny Ayn Rand enthusiast.
 
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In fairness, while it'd be a stretch to say that it's a universal trait among conservatives, I'd wager that pretty much everybody knows someone who is conservative and has openly stated that minorities have a high privilege in our society and that you're better off if you're born a poor black child. (Must be all those times they've seen "The Jerk")

I personally know 5 such idiots who openly subscribe to that philosophy. None of them could be accused of being able to form a well reasoned argument, but I guess I still have more respect for them than your average, whiny Ayn Rand enthusiast.


I certainly have heard that. Quite a bit, unfortunately.

It always baffles me coz I've driven by the pockets of poverty that are right here and those people are not exactly living the dream. They live in squalor.
 
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